'Outrage' Over Sen. Clinton Not Speaking

[hightime]

ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) - The former chairwoman of the New York State Democratic Party on Wednesday called it "a total outrage" and "very stupid" that Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton has not been offered a prominent speaking role at the Democratic National Convention.

"It's a slap in the face, not personally for Hillary Clinton, but for every woman in the Democratic Party and every woman in America," said Judith Hope, a major party fund-raiser.

Hope said she would appeal to Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry to "correct this omission" and would send an e-mail message to more than 1,000 New York women - "many of them major donors to the Kerry campaign" - complaining about the slight.

The Kerry campaign had no immediate comment.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040714/D83QLCKO0.html

[geek tragedy]

1. Oh Jesus Christ

The junior senator from New York is entitled to a speaking slot?

Perhaps they would prefer that the Dems cancel Obama's, Dean's, or Gore's speech to make room for her.

[ronnykmarshall]

4. I love Hillary

but you're right. There are plenty of other Democrats that should speak.

I hope she puts an end to this.

[jobycom]

11. I don't know...

I'd bump Dean for Hillary, IF she really is being excluded and they have to find a spot for her. Preferably, I'd bumb someone else, but to boil down her significance to "junior senator from New York" is not quite fair. She's the most visible female leader in the nation right now. Make a spot for her.

Someone further down said that it isn't true, that she is speaking already. Hope so.

[geek tragedy]

13. Why her instead of Nancy Pelosi?

Howard Dean has certainly earned the right to speak--he gave Kerry et al a spine implant.

[Ripley]

29. Because more Americans polled would vote for Hillary,

than can even tell you who or where Nancy Pelosi is. I remember seeing a poll during the primaries where Hillary beat every single man running.

If you don't think Democrats know her and like her and love to hear her speak, you don't know Democrats.

[demoman123]

39. She also has high negatives.

That's why she hasn't been invited.

[Ripley]

57. High negatives with whom?

Men? Like some DUers who seem more jealous of her ambition and accomplishments than anything else? If she voted a Xerox copy of Kerry or Edwards she'd still be attacked here, yet they plan to vote for Kerry (warts and all). Honestly what are her high negatives in the party? I'm not a registered Democrat, but I think she is overwhelmingly admired by Democrats.

Negatives from the repuke party or Greens don't mean a damn thing at a Democratic convention.

[demoman123]

58. With me.

She is the Platonic Form of every lizard-eyed corporate attorney who ever crawled the earth.

[Lostnote03]

72. Lmao.....

......Not at the opinionated position just the raw description of the Title Of Esquire.....lol...best wishes

[quaker bill]

70. Oh come on now, get serious

Negatives from anyone mean quite a bit at any modern convention of either major party. Ever since George H. W, Bush allowed allowed Falwell and the rest of the ranting rightwing lunatics center stage during prime time in 1992, the common wisdom has been that the convention speaking slots are all about crafting a desirable image for those not in the hall.

There are plenty of strong and accomplished women that they can put behind the podium that do not carry Hillary's negatives with the general public. The Big Dog, Al, and Jimmy are all up to the plate on the first evening. Why? To create adequate space between these guys and John's acceptance speech.

Hillary as a junior Senator should take a lower profile for this one. That is just what they are giving her.

[Lostnote03]

74. Kucinich deserves respect.....

......For this reason I believe that he should not be "Naderized" as the Dem Party equavalent of the media disallowing Nader in the runnup to the 2000 election......Kucinich represents a potentential pool of voters that are very adamant in their denounciation of both the war and the "Worldly" economic policies(Gatt,Nafta,World Bank etc) of the enlightned elite <cough>.....Their is a convergence of shared concerns amongst the general population that is being overlooked by the Dem leadership <cough>......Regrettfully they are ignoring a person that can say Hey I Told You So!!!

[xxqqqzme]

30. I'm w/ U

I'd rather hear Pelosi than Clinton. If U have 2 pick a woman AND considering the assault on women over the last 3 1/2 years - Yes there should B a female democratic leader speaking. Woman make up the democratic party.

I am sick of this shit - I swear women need their own political party again.

[Upfront]

41. I f You Want A Woman To Speak

Try Governer Granholm of michigan. She is the best there is.

[Myra]

53. Agreed, House Leader Pelosi over Jr NY Senator Clinton

Get over yourself Hillary

[jobycom]

36. Then both, but Hillary will help the event more than Pelosi

If we are only doing it for PR.

And Kerry had a spine all along, he just didn't scream as loud as Dean. Better strategy, so far.

[Cha]

50. No, Dean and his spine were needed and that is evidenced

by his getting an invitation to speak at the Democratic Convention.

They won't be "bumping" Dean.

[doctorbombeigh]

40. Pelosi's not that good as a speaker, imo...

Pelosi did a disastrous job as the Dem House "responder" to Bush's State of the Union. I mean, it was really terrible.

I'm not knocking her work in the House, she's local to me and I like her just fine, but for a television gig she's not the choice.

As for Senator Clinton - I'm sure she knew about this and accepted not being on the roster, for whatever reason. It may be as simple as, we can't have both - this isn't the Clinton convention - do we want the former prez or do we want the current senator? They went with the prez and, imo, rightly so.

[TeeYiYi]

44. I thought of that . . .

. . . she really was strangely uncomfortable during her response to Bush's State of the Union. It was a bizarre performance and I hope she's a better speaker than that.

That said, I think they should both be there.

TYY

[Retrograde]

60. or Barbara Lee or

Barbara Boxer or Diane Feinstein or any of the other fine Democratic legistators with a longer tenure?

Senator Clinton's been doing a great job as far as I can tell, but she is just the junior senator.

[TankLV]

77. Diane F - riiiiiiight - like she's help us dems soooooo much!

Another almost zell miller wannabee (no one's as bad as holy joe or zell).

Thanx for the laugh.

But - she's is only a junior senator and not from the host state.

We have much more important matters to get our panties in a twist over.

[October]

67. Outrageous commentary here

Talk about revealing....

Why does it have to be Hillary OR Pelosi?

Everyone's in a freakin' panic over Hillary. What? And all the other MALE speakers are perfect -- and too special to be removed from the agenda?

OMG the sky's falling -- more than one woman might speak at the DNC!

[Rose Siding]

2. This didn't bother me when I first heard it

but on second thought, our 'big tent' should exert every effort to recruit prominent women to speak. AA isn't out of line here.

[sniffa]

3. oy oy oy

from my understanding, hiLLary is speaking. this uproar was created by the drudge report yesterday.

*yawn

[ronnykmarshall]

6. Interesting ....

There's this guys that claims to be a big supporter of Hillary posting over and over about this.

Could it be that Miss Mattie has let her slip show on DU??

[sniffa]

15. hey ronnie

can you get these peopLe to take a deep breath and stop panicking?

[ronnykmarshall]

19. If that doesn't work

a swift kick in the ass.

[sniffa]

24. good

as i said above, it's a partiaL List.

this is a set up by (take a guess; rove?). when the finaL scheduLe comes out and hiLLary (and whoever eLse you're upset is not there now) you bet your booty that we'LL have at Least a week's worth of op/eds on kerry 'fLip fLopping' and caving in to the "Lunatic fringe" of the Left and so on.

pLease aLL, don't be so trusting.

[Canuckistanian]

8. I believe the speaker's list is out

But Hillary's not on it.

[sniffa]

12. that may be

and i haven't seen it. i do know that drudge started the whoLe ******HILLARY NO SPEAK********
yesterday after a "partiaL List" of speakers was reLeased to the press. it's my understanding (again, i'm just joe schmoe, but i hear things) that there are pLenty of speakers not on the "partiaL List" given to the press, who wiLL be speaking (incLuding aLL the big 10 candidates).

i haven't seen anywhere that since yesterday afternoon, the DNC finaLized their scheduLe.

it's possibLe she won't be speaking but i doubt it.

[AlGore-08.com]

23. Actually, she was NOT on the list of speakers announced yesterday

Whether Drudge fanned the flames or not, she is not scheduled to speak. And all of the earlier articles I read about the proposed speakers said very clearly that she was not expected to speak, she was expected to appear as part of a group of women Senators.

So either this NY Dem wasn't paying attention - - or this is planned PR attack, designed to force Kerry into giving HRC a speaking role.

Either way, this is another lose/lose situation. If HRC doesn't speak, he risks hacking off her supporters - - something he can't afford to do in a close race. But if he lets her speak... the right absolutely hates HRC, and her speaking will just motivate them to fight harder for Smirk. Additionally, Kerry will to have to do a great big, public "flip-flop" to add a prominent speech for her.

[Canuckistanian]

5. What's her problem?

Is she listening to RW talking points? HRC is not wildly popular in the Democratic universe right now. Respected, yes, admired, yes, but not indispensible.

[fairfaxvadem]

7. Just checked the Line Up of Speakers.

Don't know how recently it was updated. They need at least one major, high-profile Dem woman to speak. They are very weak on that right now.

Clinton, Pelosi, Granholm, Boxer, Someone.


But, way too many high-profile men in any event, need more balance.

[geek tragedy]

9. Pelosi should be speaking--she's earned her spot in the lineup

eom

[Crachet2004]

68. I agree. She is senior and is actually working for the people...

Hillary is working for Hillary.

[dolstein]

16. They have a major high profile Democratic woman speaking

Janet Napolitano, governor of Arizona, has been given a prominent speaking role. I'd like to see Granholm added to, because Michigan is also a battleground state.

[fairfaxvadem]

32. Yeah, Janet is great. I really like her.

But as far as governors go, I think Granholm might be a bit more recongnizable, and, if they got both to speak, then there are 2 Governors from 2 Battleground States.

But, I just meant overall, they need one Dem woman with a major national profile.

[Upfront]

43. Ah Granholm

is not weak! She is a better speaker then anyone else they have. I have not heard the guy who is going to key note so he may be good also. What is he elected to anyway, and why is he giving the key note speach?

[truthspeaker]

10. I'd rather hear Lila Lipscomb speak n/t

[dweller]

14. where is

Kucinich on the speakers list?

dp

[hightime]

17. You would have thought at least THAT concession would have been granted.

I am sure the fact that the DNC doesn't own him heart, mind, mouth and soul has something to do with it. You can't control a man who is true to himself.

[dweller]

20. just lookin for the outrage...

guess i'll look elsewhere.

peace,
dp

[AlGore-08.com]

28. The other primary candidates are "expected" to speak

They are not on the list sent out yesterday, but all the other stories had said they are "expected" to speak.

[Toot]

18. It's no "outrage" for me, and I'm a woman.

What has Hillary done recently, besides write her book, that would make her a needed speaker?

[Nashyra]

26. I'll miss hearing her speak

and so will the majority of Democratic women I know. There are alot of moderate Democratic women who respect her and she knows how to galvanize the crowd. Frankly I'd rather hear her speak than Gore.

[Seeking Serenity]

62. Only be one of the Democratic Party's top fundraiser.

eom

[dansolo]

21. Pelosi or Boxer

I would like to see either one of these women speak, especially because they can talk about first hand about what Enron and this administration did to California vis-a-vis energy policy.

[DinahMoeHum]

22. Too much talent, too few prime-time spots, what can I say??

"Nothing-But-The-Best-For-The-Oppressed" strikes again.

:evilfrown:

[madrchsod]

25. when obama ends his speech

no one in the democratic party,male or female, will give a shit whether mrs clinton or any other woman spoke. he will be the most dynamic speaker in years.

[TeacherCreature]

31. I am a female and in the democratic party

I certainly do care of prominate democrati women speak, Obama or no Obama.

[saracat]

81. Excuse me?

What does Obama have to do with a womn speaking? Hillary and a number of women deserve to speak more than he does.They have proven track record.Obama is a new arrival.

[DeepModem Mom]

27. My guess? This is a manufactured story to stir up the Hillary-haters....

She's a terrific New York Senator, and an outstanding woman, but there's no logical reason for her to speak to this Democratic Convention.

[geek tragedy]

37. Exactly

I don't mean to criticize her. There are just other people who belong up there more.

With Bill and Gore already speaking, we don't need to turn this into "90's Nostalgia" week.

[Justitia]

64. The Voice of Reason!

and insight.

This is a completely manufactured RW "red meat" story.

C'mon folks, we are soooo hip to this tactic already!
No more falling for the silly sleights of hand over Hillary.

[PATRICK]

75. AP leans Bush

More subtle because it is much less opinion and editorial, being a wire service. Maybe I am paranoid so I try not to look too hard for it, but why would a news service seek out the typically rambunctious NY pols for gassy gossip to make an issue and a wedge that is not there over a red meat personality the Bush campaign has tried in vain to inject into their campaign and fund raising efforts?

The people with Hillary on the brain are the idea challenged right wing fans. The is an embarassing surfeit of talent at the convention. I have no feathers to ruffle here and the last thing I am concerned about is the disgruntled mess that is the Democratic party leadership in my state or campaign loyalists feeling slighted.

[PopSixSquish]

33. I Read Somewhere

that all of the Democratic women Senators will be honored and speak a few words during the convention.

[patricia92243]

34. We are haveing the big dog if I have to choose, I'd rather have him than

[tlcandie]

35. Get real!! I vote for Cynthia McKinney.. now there's a TRUE

democrat with a LOT to say!! Go Cynthia!!!

[TeeYiYi]

45. Maybe I'm being naive . . .

. . . but why can't they all three be there? The more the merrier.

BTW, I'm with you — Cynthia McKinney is probably my first choice.

TYY

[merh]

38. She has had her turn - step aside and let others be heard.

She is not the only dem in the nation.

[RhodaGrits]

42. I am a feminist in Sen. Clinton's district and

I don't see any reason why she should be speaking. This is absurd. There are many more Dem. women with more reasons to be on the list of speakers.

[Walt Starr]

46. The Clinton's are SOOOOO last decade

Time to move on. This is the 21st century and requires 21st century leadership.

[chimpy the poopthrower]

47. I'm glad most DUers see this for the ploy that it is.

The fact that this one person in the story seems to have fallen for it doesn't change anything.

[NWHarkness]

48. Hey I've got an idea!

OOps, dupes!

[NWHarkness]

49. Hey I've got an idea!

How about if we all focus on going after the OTHER party for a change this year?

[marlakay]

51. I agree let's stick together!

I read that most of the people who are speaking asked to speak and Hilary didn't. Why can't we just be happy we have a chance to win and not give reason for the other side to say we are divided again. It justs makes us look negative.

[Norquist Nemesis]

52. Hope should tone down the rhetoric

She could have just stated her 'disappointment' and left it at that. By calling it a slap in the face, once more, it's fuel for the GOP's favorite lightning rod...Hillary.

I like her alot and would vote for her as President in a heartbeat. But the reality is that by having her speak, it will take away from the message of every other speaker and most notably, Kerry. Days and days on end of air time will be spent demonizing Hillary even further.

[geek tragedy]

59. Expect a William Safire column shortly eom

[Justitia]

66. HAHAHAHAHA - You are So Right! -eom

[Norquist Nemesis]

80. LOL!! It's the topic of the day already!

I heard it time after time today...Tucker Carlson, Chris Matthews, blah blah blah. :eyes:

[progressivebydesign]

54. How about Ann Richards? Maxine Waters? Cynthia McKinney?

Umm... where are the women? Not that I think you should include women, just for the sake of including them.. BUT does the Democratic "leadership" expect me to believe there is not ONE prominent, inspiring, or compelling woman WORTHY of speaking???

If the Dems had their shit together.. they'd find an ordinary woman with an extraordinary story to speak at the convention. A woman who has overcome adversity, a woman who inspires... much like the ads the Dean campaign did toward the end with REAL people. There was a woman in that group of ads.. I voted for her ad. She was amazing.

I'm totally thrilled about Obama. He's bound for great things.. I can see it in him. I'm thrilled about the other speakers.. but would love to see MORE of America reflected. FYI to the Dems: we have other people besides middle aged white men out there. Hispanics, asians, gay activists, women, native americans.. kids.. etc. Just a thought.

I don't think Hillary should automatically get a slot. I like her.. but she's not always the most inspiring speaker.

[sandnsea]

55. Napolitano, Tubbs Jones???

This is crap, women are speaking at the convention. Hillary doesn't need to speak. Is she a team player or not?

[ncteechur]

56. Gimme a break!!

Not everyone can speak. And was the outrage from Hillary herself?
Everybody has to whine about something.

[DaveSZ]

61. You guys need to reevaluate this when Tucker Carlson and freepers

are the ones pushing for Hillary to speak.

They know it will hurt Kerry if she speaks because it will galvanize the wingnut fundies to come out of the woodwork.

[John_H]

63. What's up w/ AP's campaign whores? They try to spin EVERY story

against dems. Here they're inventing a controversy based on the opinion of a couple of New Yorkers. Unbelievable.

[Justitia]

65. Paging Judith Hope, Cluephone for Judith Hope!

Hello Judith? You fell for it honey!

Now get on with feeling like a dope and raise some serious $$$ as penance.

[eridani]

69. How about a female senator who didn't vote for the war? n/t

[GoldenOldie]

71. Just who is "outraged"?????

I don't think the Dems are as outraged as the Media Whores who have been given their latest script. They have attacked Hillary Clinton on a daily basis yet feel the Dems should be deeply offended that she is not speaking at the convention and are encouraging us to voice our dissappointment both loud and long????

Come on Dems let's have a knock down drag out fight over Hillary not being asked to speak....the Pubs would like nothing better than using the divide and conquer, it's what they do best.

[ButterflyBlood]

73. um, who cares?

why do we HAVE to feature her as a speaker?

[Jerseygirltoo]

76. I'm not outraged......and ain't I a woman?

She's OK, but I can think of about 50 Democratic women I would rather hear from-Barbara Lee, Barbara Boxer, Maxine Waters, Gov. Granholm, Nancy Pelosi for starters. It's mainly the Clinton haters who are obsessed with her and keep dragging her name up. They would love to see her on TV at the DNC so they can have their 5 Minutes Hate Party.
Many New Yorkers I know are disappointed with her, she voted for the war and totally drank the Likud KoolAid since she got elected.

[goclark]

79. Cynthia McKinney!

Cynthia gets my vote!Our young people need to see young role models,especially females.

We also need to see women who will stand up for what they believe in. Cynthia McKinney may have been down but she is not out! That is the kind of women that we need to see in prime time.

I love Hilliary but she will be a star when ever she walks in the room.

[Redleg]

78. Another circular firing squad by democrats- and the republicans

are just stirring it up.

[JNelson6563]

82. As a woman in America I will speak for myself thanks

I am not outraged that Hillary isn't speaking.

Julie