LAT: Abused Iraqi Detainees Said to Hold No Intelligence Value

[DeepModem Mom]

THE CONFLICT IN IRAQ
Abused Iraqi Detainees Said to Hold No Intelligence Value
Investigators testifying in Lynndie England case find no involvement of officers at Abu Ghraib. But that's 'one side of the story,' her attorney says.

By Richard A. Serrano, Times Staff Writer


FT. BRAGG, N.C. — Senior Army criminal investigators testified Tuesday that the inmates who were abused and sexually humiliated last year at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq were of little or no intelligence value to the United States.

"They were of no military intelligence significance for us," Special Agent Paul Arthur said of the detainees, many of whom were photographed in humiliating poses with their clothes off — stacked and chained into human pyramids or forced to assume sexual positions. "Only two had even been interrogated out of the whole group."

The officials testified on the first day of a weeklong preliminary hearing in the case against Pfc. Lynndie England, one of six Reserve soldiers who face possible court-martial as a result of the abuse. A seventh has pleaded guilty. England's case is being heard by Col. Denise Arn, who will recommend whether the matter should proceed to a court-martial.

The investigators said Tuesday that they had found no reason to believe that any of the soldiers' superiors bore responsibility for the abuse, much of which was captured in photos disclosed this spring that provoked outrage worldwide and set back the U.S. cause in Iraq.

They also said the fact that the prisoners were of no intelligence value undercut the claims of the accused soldiers, who have asserted that they were encouraged or ordered by military intelligence officers to mistreat the detainees....


http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-na-lynndie4aug04,1,2375721.story?coll=la-home-world

[Judi Lynn]

1. Do they REALLY imagine anyone, including Freepers can believe this?

The investigators said Tuesday that they had found no reason to believe that any of the soldiers' superiors bore responsibility for the abuse.

Now WHO can be this mentally impaired?

[bobthedrummer]

10. "No reason to believe..." anything these liars say either, the TRUTH is

out here, there and everywhere! Military families, human service and mental health professionals, and all the social networks of those groups have known about horrific crimes for years and nothing has changed-BECAUSE IT GOES UP THE CHAIN OF COMMAND.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

2. The one I feel sorry for

is the baby PFC England is due to have in October. This child was conceived and carried during all this abuse, and will be born amidst much publicity and, in all likelihood, in a prison hospital. Wonder who will wind up having custody of it? Wonder what kind of life it will have?

[saigon68]

8. She/He could join the service in a few years

And participate in the continuing WAR ON TERROR in Bolvia, Mexico or Egypt.

[saigon68]

3. Why were they in the HIGH SECURITY SECTION????

Oh ya they were there for SHOP LIFTING



The guy pointing down is a CIA "CONTRACTOR"


The dog handlers were never IDENTIFIED.

[saigon68]

4. here is the outcome

THE DOG ALSO BIT THIS GUY IN THE TESTICLES

[Disturbed]

5. A War Crime.

This photos shows intimidation but a follow up photos shows that they allowed the do to bite this man.

The entire system wide policy of Torture is being covered up!

[DeepModem Mom]

6. Do you think they're saying no intel value to protect higher-ups...

or that the prisoners indeed had no intel value, which makes the whole sickening thing even more tragic?

[mac56]

7. That's my question too.

If it's just to protect the higher-ups, that's sick and weasily.

If it's true that they had no intel value, that's sick and criminal.

[tlcandie]

9. I think the appropriate title to this story is thus ....

Abused Iraqi Detainees Said to Hold No Value"

This is more like the truth of the matter.

[daleo]

11. If they had no intelligence value, why were they there?

"Only two had even been interrogated out of the whole group."

They don't say how big "the group" is, but the fact is that two had been interrogated, which invalidates the claim that they were of no interest. Furthermore, the torture and humiliation could have been in advance of interrogation, to soften them up. So, the claim that they had not been interrogated yet is a dodge.

Also, the policy of torture and humiliation could have been designed to spread generalized fear and despair among all prisoners, to break their will in general. It didn't have to be directed only at high value targets.

[tom_paine]

12. Sounds like the CoverUp Machine is ramping up

Yah, I believe these gusy as much as I believed the 1978 Soviets.

Less and less difference between Imperial Amerika and the 1978 Soviet Union.

The differences will hit us when the Imperial Family has finished consolidating their Unchecked Power.

For the moment, we are semi-safe and still slioghtly free on a personal level.

Just don't wander into any Communist, err, Republican Party rallies with the wrong shirt on, Comrade.

[struggle4progress]

13. After 9/11, many Americans wanted to beat and stomp anybody, ...

regardless of involvement. Unfortunately, the Administration played directly to such base emotions, facilitating abusers.