Democrat (Zell Miller) to nominate Bush

[rawstory]

From The Raw Story, http://rawstory.com

By the New York Times

The Republican National Committee is turning to a Democrat to nominate President Bush in New York at the convention.

The choice of Senator Zell Miller of Georgia, who leads a committee of Democrats for Mr. Bush, will be announced by party leaders on Thursday, officials familiar with the decision say. Mr. Miller, as governor of Georgia, nominated Bill Clinton for president in 1992.

Mr. Miller was governor from 1990 to 1998 and was appointed to the Senate in 2000. He is not seeking re-election this year.

Reg. restricted Times link: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/19/politics/campaign/19speakers.html

Non-restricted link: http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=219

[wicket]

1. Can the Dems please kick this ass out of the party?!!!

:mad: :mad: :grr:

[LynnTheDem]

3. He's a lot of things...

But Democrat ain't one of them!

I wish the Dees would kick him out, lying ignorant asshole that he is!

[wicket]

13. He's such an f'n hypocrite!!!!

2 short years ago he was praising Kerry, this man has completely lost it. :nuke:

[Frodo]

29. No. I don't think they can.

Best to wait till the end of the term.

Almost everything they CAN do to him that doesn't have a built-in backlash has long-ago been done (can't attend party caucuses etc.)

The remaining options (revoking his seat on committees) has a big downside.

[nodehopper]

47. what are the downsides??

I've been really curious why they can't officialy kick him out...I mean, he goes beyond breaking party lines, he is not adequately representing his constituents, and I don't know where to find information...Do you know what the downsides would be? I really want to know!

[Frodo]

52. See my post #35.

Much of which is based on conjecture.

As for "representing his constituents", remember that you're talking about the state of Georgie here (Democrats and Republicans - he "represents" all of them).

THEY love him (by and large).

[mac56]

61. Any love expressed for Zig Zag Zell down here

is because of his efforts to put the Hope Scholarship program in place. A very good deed, and goodwill that he has since pissed away big and large.

[Frodo]

66. Um, no.

Miller has been very much in line with Georgia for decades. Obviously he has changed lately, but we can't pretend he hasn't been jsut about the most popular politician in the state for decades.

[mac56]

69. Maybe here in Athens is different from where you're at.

nm

[Frodo]

75. Got married less than 45 minutes from there.

[SoCalDem]

2. Gee...what a surprise.. "Everybody" knows that George is beloved

by democrats..:crazy::silly:

[Ghetto_Boy]

4. DINO

[Zynx]

5. No. He's just an "R".

[Malva Zebrina]

6. I'm surprised that Lieberman didn't volunteer to nominate Bush

at the convention. Would have gotten him the photo ops and publicity he so likes to hog.

[soothsayer]

7. what an ass munch

moran

[AVID]

8. Kerry's little "Miller" problem

I didn't see a republican politician on the DNC stage endorsing Kerry. Now, in front of millions, and with every cable, network, news, and pundit watching, a democratic senator - a colleague of our candidate - will endorse / nominate the entire *b regime.

This will get lots of media play. I hope Kerry has a plan to answer this.

[wicket]

14. Kerry's answer

Kerry should run an ad with clips of Zell praising Kerry at an event back in 2002. Talk about a flip flop!

[Beware the Beast Man]

16. Wishful thinking

So far, Kerry's playing a pretty clean game. I don't think he'd reach that level, though he should. Expose this jackass for what he is.

[w4rma]

111. Or a Zig Zag. The Repugs dont even talk about Zig Zag on their boards.

They could care less about the guy and they don't trust him either. They're only happy to see him stab his former friends in the back.

[wicket]

120. "Zig Zag" Zell, I like that!

:D

[Leilani]

23. I think Ron Reagan was a much bigger coup

than Zell Miller.

Ron Reagan is very likeable; the Reagan name is special to Republicans & Indies.

Zell Miller is an idiot; outside of Georgia nobody knows who the hell he is. Only political junkies know the story.

Will he change any minds? Not likely!!!

[Frodo]

31. Not really. Ron didn't even vote for his dad when he was president.

It's no "coup" to get him to the convention (though still plenty useful for how he was used - to draw attention to an issue that breaks our way).

Miller, on the other hand, was once considered a bright star of the party. Was mentioned as Presidential material. And, as noted, was selected to nominate Clinton. He was the most popular politician in Georgia.

Zell's twenty minutes of fame are going to get a lot of press attention ans probably WILL hurt. But I expect it to be fleeting.

[Leilani]

70. Anyone impressed by Zell

is already voting for Bush...

Reagan is a better appeal to Indies & Undecideds..

& as you said, an issue that polls VERY highly our way.

[Piperay]

113. True, your 'average Joe & Jane' voter

never even heard of the guy. :shrug: My cousin a Georgian repuke absolutely hates and distrusts ole Zell, course she is voting for Chimp but is not one bit impressed by Miller anyway.

[Claire Beth]

60. I completely agree! n/t

[Az_lefty]

82. I completely agree

Ron Reagan actually had something important to say also.

[Piperay]

112. I agree and

the Democrats weren't so desperate that they needed to put Ron Reagan on in primetime either.

[Bandit]

33. He was never elected to the Senate

He was appointed not elected if that makes any difference.

[Frodo]

64. Untrue. He was elected in November of 2000.

An appointment is only good until the next general election. In this case, Miller was "appointed" to replace Paul Coverdale in July of 2000 and immediately had to run for election.

Since Coverdale was a Republican and Miller was a Democrat appointed by a Democratic Senator, his election was not automatic. The people would have every right to consider the party switch of that seat to be "unfair" (though it is not) just as Massachusetts voters don't want Romney replacing Kerry in November with a Republican.


This type of argument also ignores that Miller faced statewide election several times (six or seven) over the last thirty years (ok, 29) - winning each time. It isn't like the people of Georgia don't support the guy.

[struggle4progress]

76. "Throughout the convention, the large screen above the podium ...

... showcased stories of Republicans who are now for Kerry and former Republicans who are now Democrats."

http://www.workingforchange.com/printitem.cfm?itemid=17389


Looks to me like Kerry beat 'em to the punch. Instead of "Republicans for Kerry," he exhibited "Used-to-be-Republicans-but-now-Democrats for Kerry."

[Walt Starr]

9. That move by Miller should be enough to kick him out

By nominating a Republican at the Republican convenetion, Miller is demonstrating he is not a Democrat.

This should give the Democratic Party the required impetus to remove him from the Democratic PArty.

[clearvision]

28. Interesting....

Since Miller has a view about the war that strays from the party line,
he should be kicked out of the Democratic party??? How about trying to understand why he feels the way he does right now. Since Miller started in politics, he hasn't changed. The Democratic party has changed. He has said this numerous times. You'd rather just see partisan politics where nobody shows an original thought? It's completely unproductive, polarizing, and leads us nowhere.

[mac56]

30. Welcome to DU.

It's a brave and noble move, making your first post an attempt to defend the indefensible. Don Quixote would be proud of you!

Welcome. Stick around. I think you'll learn a lot.

[Ediacara]

32. Last call for the clue bus!

Sorry buddy but unless you've been under a rock, there is no official party line concerning the war.

The point you've obviously missed is that Miller, a democrat, is going to nominate someone who is not only a republican, but a republican of the worst kind.

And sorry buddy, but you're wrong, Miller has not been steadfast in his ideals, for if he had, he would have started out as a republican.

[clearvision]

44. I didn't specify there was a party line for the war.

Miller's war views (now) are different than the mass of
Democratic politicians (now, since some have changed their
opinions since the start of the war). Hindsight's 20/20,
I know.

So clearly you have a problem with Miller nominating Bush.
Would you have had a problem had McCain been Kerry's VP
candidate since that also would have crossed party lines?
Or would that be different since it would have benefited
Kerry?

I know I'm going to offend people here, but I'm trying
to look at things from both sides and the middle. I know people
who think everying Bush does is right, I know people that
think everything Bush does is wrong. I don't want to be
like them.

So what's the Democratic party going to do? Tear Miller's
credibility down or find some important support from the right?

[mac56]

45. I think most people here would have had a problem with McCain

as Kerry's VP. Nearly everyone here saw that as nothing but rumor and disinformation.

Many here would say that the Democratic Party is already awash with "important support from the right". And that, to many, is precisely the problem.

"Trying to look at things from both sides and the middle" is laudable. But there are many websites where people can read boilerplate GOP party-line BS. Please help us keep this as a haven from that.

Again, welcome.

[seaglass]

49. He doesn't have any credibilty with Democrats. n/t

[Ediacara]

53. Oh but you did though.....

You said Miller strayed from the party line. Now you say he didn't...

Yes, I have a problem with Miller nominating Bush and the DNC rolling over for him. He has, since 2000, been a thorn in the DNC's side, starting out with a jackass editorial about how the Democrats have moved too far to the left (when in fact, the opposite is true), and the party'd better let the southern biggots (point of order, I know most southerners are not biggots) hold it hostage if it wants their electoral votes. It's only gotten worse from there.

The second Miller endorsed Bush (which was many months ago) he should have been expelled from the party, just as Traficant was when he continually voted for Hastert for house speaker.

And yes, I would have been happy if McCain had endorsed Kerry for two reasons. First, the selfish reason is because we should have everyone and their mother endorse Kerry, but the second reason is that McCain is an honorable man. Miller is not. Had someone like Santorum or Lott endorsed Kerry, it would have been similar to (yet opposite of) Miller endorsing Bush. Miller, Lott, and Santorum are all reprehensible sleazeballs, and any politician worth his salt should refuse their endorsement.

Additionally, I would fully expect the Republicans in the senate to have stoned McCain on the Senate floor within minutes of endorsing Kerry.

No being kicked from the caucus, no lost committee assignments.

STONED!

Also, I am unclear what this means:

So what's the Democratic party going to do? Tear Miller's
credibility down or find some important support from the right?

Care to translate?

[clearvision]

62. Uh, okay, it seems fairly clear.....but

Zell Miller is nominating Bush. Apparently this
is an important issue for Kerry since someone from
his own party is going against him. Obviously it
doesn't look good. I doubt the Democratic party will
just sit back and say 'Oh well'. Will they come out
and call him a bigot scumbag like Trent Lott or will they
try to trump Miller's nomination by promoting a bigger
name from the right supporting Kerry?

[Ediacara]

77. It is clearer now

Thanks :-)

I thought you were implying that the dems should try to woo Miller back and that Miller was the important help from the right.

[clearvision]

81. Cool, sorry for the confusion.

[EST]

89. It does not look bad for Kerry!

It's beautiful. Miller is a dipshit, being a plant (whether he thinks he is or not) in the dem party, he is being USED! And now the tables are turning and not only is it becoming obvious that 'ol Zell is being used by both sides, it's also becoming perfectly obvious he's an absolute dumbshit without a clue. How would you like having an obvious clueless dumbshit nominating you to the highest office? I wouldn't be at all surprised if Rove (if he is anywhere near as bright as most think he is) wants to drop him like a proverbial hot potato--but he can't! That would look weak and stupid. Image is everything and I'm simply tickled to death!! Hehe

[mac56]

95. Yeah, they're saddled with him now.

In the words of Nelson Muntz: "HAAAAAA-hah!"

[maxrandb]

59. A Better Question Would Be

Would the Repubs have a problem with McCain running with Kerry? How the "Cheney" long do you think it would take for your folks to start talking about his "illegitimate black daughter?" Oh, sorry, your lousy party already demonstrated how it treats people that don't follow their marching orders.

If McCain had spoken at the Dem Convention, or been Kerry's running mate, Frist either would have slipped something in his kool-aid, or Delay would have doused him with "bug juice".

Go back to Freeper land where you can Zeig Heil all you want about Zel "Cheneying" Miller.

My prediction is that before the repub convention, he will no longer be a Dem. This little charade is enough to kick his ass out.

[clearvision]

79. I'm sure they Republicans would have had a major problem with it....

...and actually it's not my party. Remember, Republican
views aren't allowed here. It's in the rules when you
sign up.

<Go back to Freeper land where you can Zeig Heil all you want about Zel "Cheneying" Miller.>

Dude, are you okay? Did you miss your semester of
Political Correctness 101?

[Walt Starr]

92. I guess you went back where you came from

Dead Freeper.

[Walt Starr]

68. Get a clue, removal from the Democratic Party has nothing to do with the

war.

It has everything to do with being a Republican but calling himself a Democrat. The act of being a keybnote speaker nominating a Republican candidate at a Republican convention makes Miller a Republican, NOT A DEMOCRAT!!!

[Frodo]

109. Does that play directly into his hands?

Remember Reagan saying (paraphrase) "I didn't leave the Democratic Party, THEY left ME"?

Remember the people they called "Reagan Democrats"?


If Miller constantly says he isn't going to leave the party of his birth (or whatever) and we KICK him out... isn't that too easy to spin as "the party left ME"?

I can't imagine why we are giving him more press than he needs. The fight hurts us as much as the fighter. Leave it lay there and he'll be gone in a few months.

[NWHarkness]

36. Actions, not opinions

I haven't seen anyone say Miller ought to be booted from the party because of his opinion, the issue is his actions. If going to the other party's convention and making a nomination to run against our candidate is not disloyalty worthy of expulsion, what would be?

By the way, the GOP, by contrast, has banned many long time party members from it's conventions solely based on their opinions on issues. Bill Milliken, a Republican who was Michigan's longest serving governor, is no longer allowed to participate in party functions because he is pro-choice.

[seaglass]

46. No, Zell Miller is a moderate conservative, not a conservative

Democrat. He has backed Bush on almost every key issue. Are you suggesting that Bush's policies are Democrat policies and that somehow no one but Zell recognizes that? :eyes:

[clearvision]

54. No, not suggesting that at all.

What key issues has Miller supported Bush on
other than ones related to war and terrorism?
I'd just like to know, I'm not questioning whether
they exist or not.

[mac56]

55. Sided with the GOP on the marriage amendment.

Sided with the GOP on media deregulation.

That's two right off the top of my head. More are forthcoming. Considerably more than just "war and terrorism".

Add on edit - from Buzzflash -

Zell consistently votes with the Rethuglicans on tax giveaways to the ultra-rich, he supports shredding the Constitution, anti-environmental energy legislation - and of course Zell has never seen a right wing judicial activist that he can't support. He's the miserable excuse for a senator (or a human being) who slandered Cynthia McKinney with words she never said.

He never rose to vigorously support Max Cleland, despite Saxby Chamblis' low class and cynical ads that compared Max to Saddam and Osama. In the past 3 years, every position Zell has taken has made me gag and then ask, "Is this a Democrat?" There are about a dozen Republicans that I consider more reasonable and less hypocritical than Zell!

[Walt Starr]

65. No, nominating a Republican at a Republican convention makes

Miller a Republican instead of a Democrat.

He gave up being a Democrat by agreeing to nominate a Republican at a Republican convention. In essence, he has become a Republican.

[EST]

91. What it really does is show is he's absolutely lacking

in the political finesse to play with the big boys. Good thing he's retiring, the repugs would chew him up if he weren't and they sure won't want a weak turncoat fighting on their side.

[Shakespeare]

74. Bullshit.

Enjoy your stay, however brief it may be.

[seaglass]

94. Hopefully in your short visit you have learned something

new, that the words out of Zell Miller's mouth don't mean nearly as much as his voting record - and that his voting record not only shows that he is a Republican (in denial) but that he is the one who has changed over the last 4 years.

The facts are there for you to see.

[hyphenate]

102. No, his view hasn't strayed

from the party line--HE has strayed from the party line. He votes with the Repukes every time in the Senate, he has publicly made comments about his contempt for the Democratic Party, he has indeed kissed the collective ass of the Repukes in the past year, and has even written a book filled with disdain for Democrats. There IS no straying for his viewpoint, because he is the biggest DINO and traitor to ever be allowed to remain in the party. Thank the stars we will be rid of him in a few months--he is a total embarassment to the Democratic existence.

[DCCyclone]

107. clearvision, you're DEAD WRONG in saying...

..."[s]ince Miller started in politics, he hasn't
changed. The Democratic party has changed."

No, the truth is the exact reverse:  the Democratic Party
hasn't changed, it's Zell Miller who has changed.  The Party
is ideologically unchanged since Zell entered politics, but
Zell Miller is a lot more conservative than he used to be. 
That is REALITY.  Maybe Zell says "the party
changed" rather than he changed, but Zell saying that
doesn't make it so.  What's "so" is that Zell
doesn't want to admit he's become a lot more conservative than
he used to be because it's easier on his ego to blame the
party than to admit he's changed.

clearvision, you say in another of your posts on this thread
that Zell hasn't changed his formal party affiliation because
he still agrees more with Democrats than with Republicans on
many issues.  Of course, that's a false statement, as proven
by several replies to your post on that point that prove
Zell's voting record has been VERY conservative the past
3-plus years.  That shows you accepted at face value something
Zell said without thinking critically whether it's a true
statement.  And, you do the same thing in the post to which
I'm typing this reply.

I suggest you think critically about Zell position vis-a-vis
the party rather than accepting at face value Zell's
self-serving statements about it.

[Piperay]

114. yeah, we wouldn't want to be like the repuklicans

now would we, with their polorizing and total unproductiveness.

[Minstrel Boy]

10. If the (D) is not stripped from him before this outrage

I give up hope for signs of a Democratic backbone.

It's handing Bush a huge gift, and it again presents an enfeebled image of the Democratic Party to Americans, reinforcing years of far right psyops that Republican = strength and Democratic = weakness.

Miller can do what he wants, but for God's sake, he mustn't be allowed to do this as a Democrat.

[aquart]

11. They want the guy that nominated Clinton. .

They want the guy that nominated the man they couldn't destroy.

This has so many layers of irony I just want to sit and contemplate its cheesy beauty for a moment.

[Strawman]

110. No wonder they have been so unusually kind to Clinton lately. n/t

[MallRat]

12. Please, Terry McAuliffe, for the love of god, KICK ZELL OUT NOW.

It's going to be far less damaging if Zell Miller has an (I) after his name when he takes the podium.

-MR

[LynneSin]

25. I say leave him in the party but strip him of all committee assignments

I'd rather embarass the hell out of him

[Frodo]

35. It would embarras the hell out of US. Not THEM.

Change the partisan balance of the Senate and they get to change the balance of EACH AND EVERY commitee, not just those with Zell on them.

The Republicans could either add one republican to every commitee (giving seats back to Miller and changing tha balance on other panels) ot REMOVE one democrat from every comittee. Zell would be up a creek that way (but what does he care since he's the lamest of ducks), but so would several other democrats who NEED those seats to help them run.

[enigmatic]

15. Miller is a massive, massive tool...n/m

[2Design]

17. He is not seeking re-election this year.

does this mean he will not be in the senate after this year?????

[Frodo]

Maybe a couple days in early January... But yes.

[alcuno]

18. Good! Another nitwit jumping on the elevator headed to the basement.

Can you say "Dennis Miller?" Now maybe if they had gotten a Democrat from Ohio, Pennsylvania, or Michigan, it might have carried some weight. But a Georgia Democrat?

[ramapo]

19. Raises my blood pressure

Miller is a POS, plain and simple.

The Dems should expose him and remove him from the party.

[booksenkatz]

20. What's wrong? Couldn't they find any

Repubs to do it, or have enough Repubs decided that openly supporting the grinning, kill-happy fraud is just too embarrassing?


I know that the majority of R's in my family, even the redneck branch, are supporting Kerry this year, that's for sure!

[non sociopath skin]

21. Don't know how it works in the States but ...

... in the UK, I'm pretty sure that any politician endorsing a rival candidate for PM would be deemed to be in breach of party rules and expelled.

Miller's remaining "credibilty" appears to be that he is speaking for a section of the Democratic Party.

Seems to me he needs to be stripped of that credibility.

The Skin

[Kinkistyle]

27. Does Zell "Herby" endorse Shrub for re-election of the United states?

Good, because I "herby" nominate Zell Miller as no-good, two-faced backstabber of the United States.

[DemBones DemBones]

22. This is really beyond the pale, even for Zell.

I'm going to write and tell him so, since he is still officially my senator. Zig Zag Zell and Saxby Shameless -- what a pair!

[michigandem2]

24. He makes me sick...what a tool! nt

[ignatius 2]

26. Ok everybody, let's use the power of DU and call or e-mail this

snake about this vile sellout. Power in numbers..make his switchboard light up like the 4th of July!!!

[mac56]

34. Just called his office.

202-224-3643

Stated that I'm one of his constituents and a lifelong Democrat. I was very polite, but I expressed my profound disappointment in him. Stated it's impossible for me to overstate my frustration.

Call taker was very cordial and said she would pass the comments along.

[ignatius 2]

39. Good for you and thanks for the number. I e-mailed like

sentiments, now, after I get home from work, I will call.

I wonder if they are getting many calls?

[mac56]

40. She said she was getting "quite a few".

Very non-committal. I wouldn't like to have her job. "Bless her heart", as they say down here.

[ignatius 2]

43. Oh Yeah, here is his senate website.

http://miller.senate.gov/

[Rose Siding]

84. Why aren't his staffers quitting over this?

Alexander's all quit. I guess no one could have been working for him this long in the first place if they had any dem left in them.

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[napi21]

38. There was an very interesting column in our paper yesterday.

Bill Shipp. a Pub Political columnist in Georgia and panelist on the Sun. morning tv show "The Georgia Gang" had an interesting column in the Gainesville Times. The title of the column was "Tips to introduce Zell to GOP". I tried to find the link, and the first sentenence was on his web site, but you have to subscribe to read the entire article. The Times doesn't have it on theirs.

He had do's & don't of introducing Zell at the GOP Convention, and most were slanting against Zell. Some highlites are:
"Zell once warned a bunh of Baptist preachers of the evils of the lottery, and three months later kicked off a campaign to start a state lottery."

"Zell stood in the rain...in Atlanta and handed our 'Elect John Lewis" pamphlets when John was running for Congress. John is the most liberal member of the House!. Zell also was a big supporter of comeback Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney."


It's quite a long column, but you get the picture. Sounds to me like the Pubs don't think much of Zell either. I wonder if he'll get booed at the convention? Damn I hope so!!!

[mac56]

41. Here's a link

http://onlineathens.com/stories/081804/opi_20040818029.shtml

It was in yesterday's Athens Banner-Herald.

[progressivebydesign]

42. Why is he STILL A DEMOCRAT?????

Don't we have ANY fucking control over our party????????????

[clearvision]

48. Because, on most issues

he is still in line with the Democratic party.
He was asked why he isn't a Republican now, and he
said that it's because of other issues that he doesn't
agree on. Miller said that at this time in history, terrorism
is the biggest issue to him. And he feels that
Kerry isn't the answer right now. I heard it come
straight from his mouth. Same way with Dennis Miller,
every other issue besides terrorism and he's left leaning.

That's why he's still a Democrat.

[mac56]

50. He has sided with the GOP on virtually every vote.

I think you have your facts badly confused.

Dennis Miller left-leaning?! See above.

[Kinkistyle]

51. Which begs the question

Why does he support Bush regarding terrorism?

[ignatius 2]

58. Good question.. he must be FOR terrorism.

n/t

[alcuno]

56. What other issues would those be? NCLB, prescription drug benefit,

Patriot Act II? I hope Zell enjoys his ride into the basement because it's going to be awfully lonely down there with Dennis (sore lips) Miller. His newfound Republican friends will dump him once he has outworn his usefulness and his old Democratic friends will treat him in accordance with his status as a traitor and a sellout.

[mac56]

57. And the marriage amendment, and media deregulation.

More to come.

[seaglass]

63. This is his voting record:

Roll Call Vote Analysis
Year Voting Participation Party Support Presidential Support
2003 77% 9% 97%
2002 92% 40% 92%
2001 95% 42% 82%
2000 100% 25% 100%

Take a look at this, Zell has changed:
These are interest group ratings:
http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=CNIP0616

Conservative
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2003 On the votes that the Eagle Forum considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Miller voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

2003 On the votes that the Christian Coalition considered to be the most important in 2003 , Senator Miller voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

2003 On the votes that the Campaign for Working Families considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Miller voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

2003 On the votes that the American Conservative Union considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Miller voted their preferred position 75 percent of the time.

2003 On the votes that the Center for Reclaiming America considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Miller voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

Note right below this how he voted in previous years.

[Shakespeare]

72. Sorry, but you're wrong about that.

Don't know where you (think) you get your information, but he's not with the democrats on most issues, and hasn't been for some time. I detect a whiff of "only republicans can get it right on terror" from you, and that's total and complete bullshit, too.

You might want to do a little more homework, sport.

[Bridget Burke]

83. Just like Dennis Miller? You mean he's prostituting himself, too?

According to you, both Millers support Bush because of terrorism.

Why support the president who ignored the warnings before 9/11 & sat like a fool while our country was attacked? The same president who's started two bloody wars instead of actually dealing with the security & diplomatic issues that might help protect us from terror?

[mac56]

67. From vote-smart.org

Here's Zell's "Roll Call Vote Analysis".

In 2001, he participated in 95% of all votes. He sided with the Dems 42% of the time and with Bush 82%.

In 2002, he participated in 92% of all votes. He sided with the Dems 40% of the time and with Bush 92%.

In 2003, he participated in 77% of all votes. He sided with the Dems 9% of the time and with Bush 97%.

Can't wait to see 2004's numbers.

[ignatius 2]

73. Maybe he has a brain tumor,like the kid in the Woody Allen

movie.

[mac56]

78. He did have some health problems a few years back.

One can speculate that they may have changed his point of view.

[librechik]

71. Blatant message to racists and confederates

if you hate swarthy people and hippies,(like Dixiecrat Zell) Bush is your guy!

[maxrandb]

80. I'm Shocked!

Another Old Southern White Supremicist for *! Maybe after his speech they could have:
The Right Rev Jerry Falwell
David Duke
Dig up Strom Thurmond
Rev Pat Robertson
Tom "all the good military jobs were taken by minorities" Delay
James L. "I'm running in TN because we don't mix races here" Hart

[AlFrankenFan]

85. my stomach just "flip-flopped"

wow I mean I knew he was a traitor to our party but nominating the president? Bush?! :puke:

[Isere]

86. I think it will backfire!

Zell Miller is a rube, a redneck and a tool.
He has ZERO stature on the national scene. If Zell's the best the Rethugs can serve up, well, then I think it will reflect very badly on them.

[mac56]

87. One of our local columnists. Bill Shipp, says that too.

Shipp leans right, so for him to criticize Zell is really something. But he's kind of ashamed of Zell. Likens him to a sideshow act, a funny-sounding rube who says things that piss off the rest of the Dems.

[Ron Green]

105. I agree, and I think John Edwards should be turned loose

with some southern-fried sound bites to discredit Miller. The bumpkin effect is still pretty powerful in this country. A grit can come off wise (like Sam Ervin) or foolish, like Junior Samples.
;-)

[struggle4progress]

88. Zell is a surrogate for a more obvious fundie, Roy Moore. The Repubs ...

... need to hold the Jumpin Jehosaphat vote, but can't bring themselves to put Moore on stage, so they'll offer the fundies buddy Zell as a replacement.

[EST]

96. Your score=100% A+

n/t

[DFWJock]

90. GOP

Take him, please.

[mac56]

93. I bet they don't want him.

He's more useful to them as a DINO.

[moran4change]

98. I agree w/Mac56

He most useful as a DINO because he votes with the GOP nearly all the time, but the GOP doesn't have to shell out any campaign money. I think we should throw him out.

[mac56]

99. Welcome to DU!

nm

[Generic Other]

97. Is it legal to send him a turd in the mail?

Just wondering.

Maybe the best way to ruin his big day is to make up some "liberal" smears about him and start passing them on. Let's see. Is he in the closet? Does he wear women's undies? Has his girlfriend had an abortion? Is she black? Did he ever use drugs? Is he still? Did he dodge the draft? Beat his wife? Does he have a personal relationship with Anton Le Vey and the Church of Satan? Has he ever spoken to Barbara Striesand?

It's like having Benedict Arnold doing the honors. Or Tokyo Rose.

[Ridiculous Bill]

100. zell

zell is an embarassment to the nation, the democratic party, and the state of Georgia. if the repubs think he is some feather in their hat then by all means take him away

[hyphenate]

101. Treasonous bastard!

Men have been hung for less than this. I hope the rest of his life is haunted by continual nightmares of nuclear war and himself standing in the middle of the worst attack ever. Perhaps a few years of observation from a different perspective will truly show how much of a traitor Zell Miller is.

[Tight_rope]

117. I totally agree.....I wish Zell Miller and Judith Miller to hell...

[janx]

103. So, WHAT?

Really, there's a lot of over-reaction in this thread. The only people who will be swayed by this are those who voted for Miller in the first place, who will vote for Bush anyway.

[moran4change]

104. It's not about Miller swaying voters,

it's about a media field day. The "leftist" press is going to go nuts portraying the GOP as inclusive. Miller doesn't have to say or do anything - his mere being there in that position is going to be on the front page of every rag in the country. It's all we're going to hear about. When it's over, no one is going to know who Zig Zag Zell is, but they'll sure as hell remember that a DEMOCRAT gave the nomination speech.

[Catherine Vincent]

106. I really can't see why repukes are anxious for Zell to nominate

Shrubnuts for the Repuke party. It's not like a lot of dems will follow his lead and vote for the bastard.

[Frodo]

108. Well, he nominated Bill Clinton in that same convention hall 12 yrs ago.

Clinton got one or two votes if I remember correctly.

The image alone could be devestating. But I expect it to be short-lived.

It's simply too good a story to pass up ("good" in this case modifying "story").

[WillyT]

115. Damn... I Knew They Were Desperate, But Not THIS DESPERATE !!!

Holy Moly!!!

:wtf:

[Piperay]

116. Really disgusting

but backstabbing turncoat traitors like Miller end up distrusted by both sides in the end. Miller is a guy who couldn't hack it in the Democratic party, expected to go further and didn't and now he is bitter about the whole thing. Miller will get his special place in hell. :evilfrown:

[highnooner]

118. Simply put.....

Zell Miller ain't no Democrat.

[Liberal_Dog]

119. My Gut Reaction

:puke:

[leesa]

121. This is pretty funny. Thay can't even find a Republican to nominate

the ass. Surely we can kick Zell the Lunatic out now, can't we? I wonder how much they have paid him, or is it the Israel first, US second, mentality