New Kerry Campaign Ad....McCain Slam-n Shrub

[rsmith6621]

A quote from the Kerry web site....

"The ad, titled “Old Tricks,” features Senator John McCain rebuking then candidate Bush during a 2000 Larry King debate for refusing to disavow or condemn hateful and vicious attacks on McCain’s military record during the South Carolina Republican primary".


Here is the link..

http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/releases/pr_2004_0821c.html

Watch the video..........

[Catch22Dem]

1. Wow! The music makes the add

Gives me chills. Bush is one hateful motherfucker! How can McCain be at his side? I mean, I can understand party loyalty, but :wtf:

[yorgatron]

2. WOW!

you can see how hard it is for him to contain his anger.

[Malva Zebrina]

40. right--he is obviously angry and holding back a sneer

and ready to bully McCain whatever way he can for the pointing to his cowardly, sneering, despicable lying about McCain's service and actually, the service of all veterans--the bastard could not even serve honorably himself and he is ready to sneer at McCain. Here is a man, if you can call him that, that is sending our young to die for nothing and on lies, that obviously has no respect whatsoever for any of them and for any of the families as he would smear them in an instant if it meant a political gain, having not attended one funeral and effectively sneaking their flag draped coffins back in the middle of the night with NO ONE honoring them as they are lifted off the plane. He has no respect for any of them and his willingness to smear them brutally, with despicable lies about their service should be a wake up call to all veterans out there, including those coming back from Iraq.

"I think what George hasn't been able to show very well because of the circumstances of his presidency — with September 11th and the war — is the soft side that he has," she said. "He's very loving and compassionate and really sweet."


She added: "He is a tough-talking guy, but there is a soft side to him that I don't think people have gotten to see."

Laura Bush interview in the Washington Times

[RobertSeattle]

3. KA-POW!

That's one hard hitting video.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

4. WOW..."We can do better"...DEVASTATING

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[vickie]

26. The expresion on the Dim Son's face after the phrase "We can

do better" appears is priceless. This is hilarious! Way to go team Kerry!

[Doosh]

5. Gloves are off

[Eric J in MN]

6. Thanks, that was good.

They should also show that on tv at least once, to make it more newsworthy.

[DUreader]

7. HA!

I'm laughing

[Dover]

8. I wonder if they had to get McCain's approval?

Surely Kerry at least told him this was coming???

[Proud2BAmurkin]

20. McCain is man enough to stand behind his own words

and you know he's loving this

[Sporadicus]

21. Who Cares?

If McCain is so masochistic as to get in bed with * after the shitslinging he endured in the 2000 campaign, this ad will provide him with quite a thrill.

[GaryL]

9. Wow!

That's good.

[SayitAintSo]

10. Do you think Kerry needed McCain's permission to run this? n/t

[otohara]

22. Public Domain

they are government figures, not celebrities. This is part of the record.

[Jackpine Radical]

25. Nevertheless, I bet they extended McCain the courtesy of asking.

Our side is a class act, after all, and that would be the right thing to do.

[TexasBushwhacker]

31. Maybe not, here's why

If they asked McCain, then he would feel he had to say that it wasn't okay. They would then run the ad anyway.

The way they've done it, McCain can complain that he didn't give them permission if he wants (he probably won't) or he can just be silent, kind of like Bush is doing about the Swift Vets. By not asking McCain for his permission, they give him an out.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

33. yup

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[SayitAintSo]

51. Good point ... I thought tho that McCain had complained about...

His image being used in an ad before and it was pulled ....

I was thinking it was a Bush ad ... maybe I'm dreaming.... anyone remember ?

[Kinkistyle]

88. Exactly. Whats he gonna do - say that he lied? n/t

n/t

[PaDem]

74. No way McCain would have given permission

He would just assume all of this go away and we debate issues.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

11. This campaign was ready for anything and it shows

nt

[Teaser]

12. Wasting it on the internet...

This should be on TV.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

16. It will be on TV

.

[Teaser]

19. You sure?

They're calling it an "internet ad" and talking about how it will be posted to veterans boards and such like...

Did I miss some text? I hope so!

[Doosh]

13. Smug look on Bush's face

completely stupified, it won't go over well.

[madmax]

24. I wouldn't say smug but,

definitely stupefied. :hi:

[Lerkfish]

84. I hate that "look"..somewhere between...

idiocy and contempt.

[ruggerson]

14. WHY ISN'T THIS RUNNING RIGHT NOW ON TELEVISION EVERYWHERE?

[Doosh]

17. I think it will be up on TV soon

put this in every swing state

[NEDem]

54. I also think it will end up on TV

because if you noticed it runs :52, which leaves 8 seconds to insert the "I'm John Kerry, and I approved this message" tag line.

NOTE TO KERRY CAMPAIGN: Get this ad on TV, NOW!!!!

[Dr Fate]

58. Because it costs money and the DNC needs more. (Hint, hint)

n/t

[Doosh]

15. those 5 vets mccain was talking about

that wrote a letter to bush, was Kerry one of them?

[Democat]

44. Good question - was Kerry one of the Senators who spoke up for McCain?

Does anyone know?

[Leilani]

55. Yes

It was Kerry, Cleland, Chuck Hagel, Bob Kerrey, & I m not sure about the 5th....Was it Jack Reed?

[Doosh]

77. might've been Tom Daschle

[Leilani]

91. No, it was not Tom Daschle...they were all Vietnam Vets...

I remember now...it was Chuck Robb.

Just looked it up...George Allen beat Robb in 2000, so it was Chuck Robb...he was still in the Senate at that time.

[DemMother]

92. Chuck Robb

Sorry, didn't see the rest of the post above...(edited)

[Proud2BAmurkin]

18. Subtext: America can do better than a smug, dirty sleazebag

McCain is effective painting Bush* as scum, but Bush* is even more effective.

[geek tragedy]

23. Boom!

This does need to run nationwide.

Now do people understand why Kerry had to make sure he could tie Bush as closely as possible to the Smearvets?

[Prodemsouth]

27. HELL YEAH!!! Everyone look at this one!! Should be played over and

over. Drop all the other campaign expenditures now- All of America needs to see this one!! Worth reapeating Kick.

[faithnotgreed]

28. oh please spread this far & wide... we must do better

[TexasBushwhacker]

29. I wish they didn't cut off Bush's response though

I don't know what Bush said, but to cut him off when it looks like he's going to respond to McCain's "You should be ashamed" statement looks bad. I'm just looking at it from the viewpoint of someone who is undecided, or even from the Bush supporters side. Just like Chris Matthews is hot as hell that his Kerry interview was parsed down to a self serving sound bit by the Bush gang, I'm concerned that this could backfire.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

30. No, the asshole's response is obvious. He did it again.

nt

[TexasBushwhacker]

32. I meant his immediate response

They cut it off when he was starting to say something. I'd like to know what he said. By cutting him off, it makes our side look like we're trying to hide something.

[carpediem]

39. This is the closest I can find for an answer to that.

I love the ad- it's fantastic for establishing * pattern of behavior, and agree that his current actions speak louder than his response at the time, but I admit curiosity also. I found this and I am still looking for more. Sounds like he did his usual 'I believe you have served nobly' crap, but then went on to try to excuse why he did this to McCain b/c McCain had "defined him" as like Bill Clinton. Not really an apology.

http://www.evote.com/index.asp?Page=/news_section/2000-02/02162000Bauer.asp

Here is a snip -

One of the debate's harsher moments came when McCain, a former prisoner of war, lectured Bush about a supporter who questioned McCain's commitment to veterans' issues.

``I don't know if you can understand this George, but that really hurts, '' said McCain, a former Navy pilot. ``That really hurts.''

Bush said he shouldn't be held responsible for what his backers say.

``I believe you have served your country nobly,'' Bush replied, adding there was a reason for his attacks. ``I kind of smiled my way through the early primaries and kind of got defined and I am not going to let that happen again.''

Bush pointed to earlier charges by McCain that compared Bush to President Clinton, and had a lecture of his own.

``Don't equate my integrity and trustworthiness to Bill Clinton,'' said Bush. ``That's about as low a blow as you can give in a Republican primary.''

[carpediem]

42. here is the debate transcript

a lot of sidestepping and cross blaming if you ask me. After reading this I remember seeing it and thinking I can't believe * is getting away with this. Alan Keyes was there too.

And there is one huge difference between that instance of slamming McCain and now slamming Kerry. Then it was mutual McCain went a little negative too -although never personally. Now, only * is being this negative, and personally so again, while Kerry is questioning policies, which as the challenger is what he is supposed to do.

Here is the link:

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/jan-june00/sc_debate_2-16.html

[TexasBushwhacker]

47. Geez, what a mess?!

Now I can see that Bush didn't really answer, McCain interepts, Larry King gets in there, as does Alan Keyes. POLITICS!!!! :mad:

Thanks for the link.

[struggle4progress]

53. Thanks!

SEN. JOHN McCAIN: You paid for an event... (Applause) ...You paid for an event and stood next to a person. And when you were asked if you would repudiate him, you said, "no."

[Eurobabe]

59. Okay if gloves are off then WHY doesn't Kerry simply say

I went, Bush didn't...

Nuff said. Move on, there are more important issues that need addressing in this country.

on edit: god I hate this friggin keyboard?!!!!

[Spazito]

34. Wow!

Just WOW!

[Judi Lynn]

35. Beautiful! Hot damn! The pResident couldn't look more pointless.

He looks so useless sitting there. He even looked more like a chimp than usual.



This is really good. He shows through as being an opportunist, a bully, and a liar.

[kimchi]

36. Right on.

I agree with some posters here that in the interest of fairness, we should have seen the shrublet's response. But of course no advertising professional would let the enemy have the last word; it would be counterproductive. If it looks like an ad, it's because it is and ad.

Someone will dig up the answer soon. And knowing *, it will be a rambling and incoherent lie-- and we win again.

When Kerry said "bring it on", he wasn't kidding. He means to win, and I have renewed faith that his team knows what they are doing.

[Florida_Geek]

37. While watching * face

all I could think of is "Who cares what you think"...

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[Democat]

41. I hope Kerry does the same thing to Bush at the debates!

Nail that little crook.

[Zorra]

43. Wow. And WTH is wrong with McCain? How can he support a slime

weasel chickenhawk like Bu$h after Bu$h trashed him in so many underhanded and dishonest ways?

McCain to Bu$h: "You should be ashamed"

Senator McCain, psychopaths do not experience shame, because they have no conscience.

The Psychopath's Brain
Renato M.E. Sabbatini, PhD

Emotionally Insensitive

A lot of the personality characteristics of sociopaths could be explained by emotional deficits. For example, they have little affect for others, are incapable of love, do not get nervous easily and show no remorse or shame when they abuse other persons.

http://www.epub.org.br/cm/n07/doencas/emotion_i.htm

[SeekingTruth]

45. I'm with you...

I also don't understand how McCain can be so supportive. I understand party politics, but how can you stand by and hug a man who didn't denounce those who attacked your wife and family with rumor and innuendos.

Or does this actually show more about the character of McCain?

[Lizzie Borden]

50. Bingo!

McCain is running for president in the '08 election.

[SOS]

57. After McCain and Bush hugged and kissed recently

Jon Stewart said "Whatever you're blackmailing McCain with, please stop".
When you look at that huge list of dirty tricks used against McCain, it makes me wonder if Stewart was on the right track. You know they'd do it.

[Stephanie]

79. Here's a picture of it - very sad sight

[Geo55]

46. Shrub isn't the only one who should be ashamed...

McCain's boot licking is an embarrassment

[PopSixSquish]

48. Hot Damn! That's a Powerful Ad

And W just sits there. John McCain was very upset, I'm surprised he didn't jump over Alan Keyes and smack W upside the head

[bushalert]

49. Wow!!!!

That really hits home!

[pacalo]

52. Slam dunk! I love it!

[JerseygirlCT]

56. That's GREAT. We can do better, indeed. nt

[JusticeForAll]

60. Kerry Campaign: Please run this in Arizona...

We could use the boost. We are worth the 10 Electoral votes....

[TexasBushwhacker]

64. Best place to send message to Kerry?

You can post to their forum here:

http://forum.johnkerry.com

Probably the Campaign Activity Suggestions would be best. This is the only place where it looks like SOMEONE reads it, and the mods will "pin" it if it's something they want others to read and respond to.

[baltodemvet]

61. Yes, very good

Simple and effective--lets McCain make the point.

[Dogmudgeon]

62. How It Gets On TV

1. Ad runs on the Internet for about a week.

2. Freepers bombard news media with stories of this latest "outrage" by "Hanoi John" and send the URL along.

3. The ad becomes a Legitimate News Story.

4. The ad is run on the news. And run. And run. And run.

5. Kerry either disavows the ad or says something to cut the criticism off at the legs.

6. In the space of 20 days, the ad is downloaded and seen by approximately 35 million people.

7. Karl Rove's physician increases Rove's Lopressor to 100 mg 3 times a day.

--bkl

[markses]

67. How can Kerry disavow the ad? It comes from his campaign!

:eyes:

[Junkdrawer]

72. OR

1. Kerry campaign gives TV stations money.

2. Ad runs for about a week - to be followed with even harsher attacks if Dubya doesn't call off the dogs.

[tlcandie]

63. Sorry want to see it and haven't had time to review replies, but

did McCain approve the playing of this or does that matter?

EDIT: N/m I saw it further up. I believe that they did NOT ask, but told him ahead of time, so that he could rebuff it later on. The courtesy was to give him the heads up that it was coming out though.

GREATJOB! AWesome!! Thanks!

[markses]

68. McCain is on record

If he wants to go back on his feelings and words, he is free to do so.

[Happy Eddie]

69. What you said

If Kerry gave McCain the heads-up that this was coming out, that was the right thing to do, and it's all that is owed.

He is on the public record about *'s campaign tactics. If he's going to campaign for * after all of that -- not only in 2000, but recently -- I don't mind if Kerry and the progressives call him out on it.

McCain has gone through some unimaginable things in his life. He can survive this. Someday he might even be glad he got challenged for this inconsistency.

[Neshanic]

65. THAT'S what I am talking about! Finally! Perfect. Home run!

[David Zephyr]

66. Fight Fire With Fire.

It's high time for Kerry and his people to take the gloves off.

This is a great first step.

[ConradV]

70. WOW!

That expression on Bush's face is priceless.

[snippy]

71. Excellent ad.

I would like to see the Kerry campaign begin demanding that not only Bush denounce the ads but also that all republicans denounce them. I think this could put some pressure on moderate republicans in several States. I have written my republican Senator, several republican Congressmen, and the republican candidate for Governor asking that they denounce the ad.

[Itchinjim]

73. Oh man that is GOOD,

JK just kicked GB and the SBV4T right square in their underdeveloped testicles. You da man John!

[Cha]

75. Looks like the Dems were mining for Gold and

struck Paydirt!

John McCain was having his melodramatic moment and bush was ready to pounce..a la Karla Faye Tucker.

[rsmith6621]

76. Send $$$$$ to the DNC

Send $$$$$ to the DNC......so that the DNC can run this ad every 20 minutes through the REP-Cons con-vention.

[Orangepeel]

99. The DNC can't run the ad -- it's produced by the Kerry campaign

it would be illegal coordination if the DNC ran it, I believe.

But of course, sending money to the DNC so that they can do other activities frees some of Kerry's money up so that the campaign can run the ad

[drscm]

78. The poor freepers are pissed at McCain and very angry...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1196516/posts

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To: Navydog

"George Bush is up to his old tricks."
LIAR!

The President has nothing to do with this ad, and even the phrase "old tricks" is overloaded with hate.

2 posted on 08/21/2004 5:51:41 PM PDT by Petronski
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To: Navydog

John McCain, its Dday. Whose side are you on? "You're either for us or against us." You can't continue this game.

3 posted on 08/21/2004 5:52:21 PM PDT by tirednvirginia

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Kerry is going about this the wrong way. He campaigns with the promise to get those who hate the USA to come around and be friendly. Well, here's his opportunity to show his diplomatic side, to get the SwiftVets to come around and be more friendly to him.
It's a golden opportunity, John. Whatever you do, don't just whine and stamp your feet, and demand they shut up.

37 posted on 08/21/2004 6:17:25 PM PDT by Marylander

[demgrrrll]

80. I just read on another forum that the ad ran on Fox News tonight.

I don't watch Fox so I can't verify this story but I hope they did run the ad.

[Doosh]

83. that's very un-fox of them

I'd be surprised if they didn't totally ignore the ad.

[drscm]

85. But, according to FR, they made a big deal that it was attacking *Bush

and did not deny the validity of the Swift Boat Scum's claims.

Poor *Bush, tarnished by a Kerry ad which is unfair.

[Bush was AWOL]

87. Thanks for the post

I love reading their meltdowns.

Does McCain really think these nutcases will give him the nomination in 08 or is he really hoping for a Kerry victory?

He has to know he has zero chance of being the nominee, so why doesn't he be a man and campaign for his REAL friend.

[quaker bill]

81. Finally, a solid shot landed cleanly and squarely

Congrats to the campaign. There is nothing debatable about this ad. Bush will need to cover up and back away. He is not down for the eight count quite yet. They need to load up with a few more. No doubt Bush will leave more openings. But this is a really good start.

[Disturbed]

82. Offense

J. Kerry and J. Edwards need to go full tilt boogie on the Neo Fascists!

[goforit]

86. You mean those hug-a-bug duo schmucks aren't for real?

Sarc!!!!

[Shredr]

89. Brilliant ad

I can't imagine that McCain now supports and even hugs Shrubby.

[mitchtv]

90. My letter to my puke rep

Dear Rep. Bono,
As you know, this area has lots of veterans,and I understand, that as a loyal Republican party member,you profess tho support our vets. Well,the time has come to show it. These "swiftboat liars for Bush", are spewing venous lies at an honored VN vet,like Senator John Kerry. These ads have come from the same people who slandered Senator McCain in South Carolina during the election primaries, in behalf of George W. Bush. This type of filth insults all our heroic veterans, and dishonors the service,and honors of all. This is the same kind of nasty politics that was was used against Max Cleland,in Georgia. Then they morphed him into Osama Bin Laden because he believes that the new department of Homeland Security employees should have the right to collective bargaining, unions. His patriotism was reviled by the candidate Saxby Chambliss, who himself dodged Vietnam, because of bad knees.He is , incidentally , a jogger, so I am told. This type of politics insults Americans, and drags the GOP on a race to the bottom. For a party who claims to protect American Culture and spins about' values' ad nauseum; they are sure contributing to the coarsness of our society.
I call on you to band with others, in the moribund moderate wing of the Republican Party, to denounce these Ads, and demand that M. Bush have them stopped

6

[snippy]

95. Outstanding letter. n/t

[truthisfreedom]

93. excellent chart

[Moderator]

94. Kick

Kick

[Catfight]

96. This is EXCELLENT, I don't think it could have been done better!

I guess we'll change their slogan to FOUR MORE SMEARS!

[Catfight]

97. FOUR MORE SMEARS, FOUR MORE SMEARS FOR BUSH!!!

[BiggJawn]

98. This is the same McCain that hugged the Shrub?

The same one that some outlets of the "Liberal Media" still claim was Kerry's "First Choice" for Veep (a fuckin' UN-TRUTH!)?

A lot of Progressive people need to GET OVER their love affair with McCain. Sure, Rove wiped his ass all over the guy in '00, but John is a true-blue fair-dinkum ReTHUG.

[sofa king]

100. I had the pleasure of meeting the fellow who edited this last night.

He put in a sleepless night doing putting it together Friday, then celebrated by seeing Uncle Shamus' first show not a quarter of a mile from Bush campaign headquarters.

I thanked him. If you like, you can imagine that I thanked him for all of us.

[Bo]

101. Did you see the chimp face at the end?