Cheney's Gay Marriage Comments Draw Fire

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http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040824/ap_on_el_pr/cheney_gays_4

Addressing Bush's position on the amendment, Cheney said, "at this point, save my own preference, as I have stated, but the president makes policy for the administration. He's made it clear that he does, in fact, support a constitutional amendment on this issue."

Those comments drew criticism from the conservative Family Research Council, with President Tony Perkins saying, "I find it hard to believe the vice president would stray from the administration's position on defense policy or tax policy. For many pro-family voters, protecting traditional marriage ranks ahead of the economy and job creation as a campaign issue."

Perkins added that if Cheney sees a problem with activist judges, "then how can he not endorse the same solution the president and his pro-family allies have proposed? We urge Vice President Cheney to support President Bush and a constitutional amendment on marriage."

Steven Fisher, spokesman for the Human Rights Campaign, a gay and lesbian advocacy group, said Cheney's remarks show a stark difference with Bush's efforts "to put discrimination in the Constitution."

"President Bush is feeling the heat. The administration has been using gay Americans to drive a wedge into the electorate. There are millions of American families who have gay family members and friends, who are offended by the president's use of discrimination," Fisher said.

[still_one]

1. I do not like Cheney but at least he seems to support his daughter

[movonne]

3. Don't agree...just a political move for some of the gay vote.

[liontamer]

11. oh please

Lynne Cheney once denied that her daughter was a lesbian in an interview

[Hokie]

15. Really?

I would love to see a link for that. I dislike her. She is so smarmy.

[wicket]

17. Lynne Cheney is delusional!

:crazy:

[Terran]

38. No, not really

Supporting his daughter would entail coming out against the federal amendment and supporting equal treatment of same-sex couples under all federal laws and regulations--which is the heart of the matter that he's not addressing. He can go on about states' rights to handle the matter all he wants, but it doesn't carry much weight unless he advocates that the federal government also recognizes same-sex marriage as valid and grants those *hundreds* of benefits received by hetero couples to same-sex couples as well.

[eyesroll]

2. "pro-family?"

:puke:

[NC_Nurse]

4. "protecting traditional marriage"?

you mean the ones where women are subservient to the male "head of the family"?

Traditional like the old laws that let men beat thier wives if they were disobedient?

F*** that!

[leesa]

28. Exactly. The way it oughta be!

[merh]

31. Don't forget, Retired Admiral Jeremiah Denton from Alabama is on

the shrub's campaign -- he is the man that said (while serving as a senator) that a man cannot rape his wife. (He also was a POW in VietNam and having met him, I can say he is a few cards short of a full deck).

Their family values are not my family values.

[hatrack]

39. How about "traditional marriage" as now defined in Malaysia?

There was a post on this yesterday. Apparently, Malaysia does not recognize rape or sexual abuse that takes place between husband and wife. You see, under Sharia law, the wife must submit at all times to the husband's desires, and, well, end of story.

Pretty traditional, doncha think? Sounds like something that Dick Cheney, Pat Robertson and James Dobson would all approve of. :mad:

[charlyvi]

5. This is a ploy.

Do you honestly think Cheney would say ANYTHING that did not come straight from the spinners? The Repubs figure they have their Base sewn up, so now they are trying to appeal to moderates. Just as they are having mostly moderates, who DO NOT represent the modern Republican party, speak at the convention. This is bait, that's all. He may, in fact, not be in favor of a gay marriage amendment, but this statesment is purely pandering for moderate votes. Loyalty to his daughter has nothing to do with it.

[Rose Siding]

8. As much as I wish he's hoisted on his own wedge issue...

you're probably right.

[charlyvi]

16. You know it.

Has ANYTHING Cheney has ever done during this administration make you think he has any compassion or concern for anyone at all? He let Bush* bash gays for months and didn't say a word; that must have made his daughter feel like crap. Now all of a sudden he's Ward Cleaver? Puhleaze.

[Leilani]

34. Bingo!!!!

Dick Cheney, empathetic family man,,,

They spend 4 years appealing to their hard core base, & think they can spend 2-3 months being compassionate conservatives!

[Bernardo de La Paz]

35. They want to have their cake and eat it. Good cop, bad cop, role reversed

Usually Cheney is bad cop and Bush is good cop, but here the roles are reversed. The Republicans would like to have their cake and eat it too. They want to put a happy face on in advance of the convention.

[nosmokes]

6. please explain to me why homophobia is "pro"-family

>>For many pro-family voters, protecting traditional marriage ranks ahead of the economy and job creation as a campaign issue."

how does the bumper sticker put it? hate is not a family value. sumpin like that.

[Momgonepostal]

7. Gag alert on this

"For many pro-family voters, protecting traditional marriage ranks ahead of the economy and job creation as a campaign issue."

Example: "Honey, they hired someone else and our savings is almost gone, but look on the bright side. Gays still can't get married!"

[WillyT]

29. EXACTLY !!! - Great Point !!!

:bounce::hi::bounce:

[ima_sinnic]

9. "traditional marriage" ahead of economy & jobs as campaign issue

what bleepin IDIOTS!!
sheesh!
hey, f*kwads, your so-called traditional marriage isn't going to be worth jack in the bleak depressed economy that's right around the corner if Chimpy Scheistkopf gets re-anointed. In fact, you'll probably have all kinds of gay riff-raff living in the refrigerator boxes near yours under the bridge. Expect an upswing in domestic battery and murder cases; people always snap when they're under financial pressure.

[whistle]

10. Phony, insincere, vote grabbing ploy, but it won't work

...Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bush and the rest of the administration will be investigated for war crimes, corruption in office, illegal vote influencing and crimes against humanity. Their asses will be outa'here!

[Disturbed]

12. A ploy.

Indeed! I don't feel that these Neo Fascists will be indicted for any of their numerous crimes but it would be fantastic if they were.

[Raster]

13. once again, you want to protect the sanctity of marriage?

THEN OUTLAW DIVORCE!!! And while your at it, punish adultery by death.

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14. Damn straight!

They can't have it both ways.

[DaveSZ]

19. religious right family values:

"Honey, our son was killed today in Iraq, and my job was sent to China, but none of that matters because gays still can't marry!"

[Twenty3]

25. .....

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26. Oh that's beautiful

:thumbsup:

[bleedingheart]

18. Personally I think Cheney doesn't care but he has to play nice

with the religious nuts.....cuz without them the Bush campaign is sunk.

[SOS]

24. The

hardcore Christian fundamentalists won't like this one bit.
They may, correctly, see that Bush/Cheney are trying to play both sides.

[skooooo]

20. He should tell his critics to..

...go fuck yourself!

[Spiffarino]

21. So now what Bush says goes? Riiiight...

Crooked Dick wants to have it both ways. Typical Republican crap. :nopity:

I wonder if "Dear Mary" was influential in his coming around on the issue?

[mia]

22. Latest Repug poll - Should Dick Cheney Be Replaced?

I know, News Max is a rag, but this poll makes me wonder.


...There has been strong criticism of Vice President Dick Cheney. Publicly, the President stands strongly behind Vice President Cheney. But there have been rumors that President Bush may make a last minute change of his vice-president at the Republican convention.

NewsMax is conducting one of the first online polls to find out how Americans feel about Dick Cheney.

The media and others want to know your opinion. Vote today!

1) Should President Bush replace Dick Cheney as his running mate?
Yes, replace him No, keep him

2) Do you approve of the job Dick Cheney has done as Vice President?

Approve Disapprove

3) How would you describe President Bush's chance of re-election with Dick Cheney on the ticket:


more


Does this new poll have anything to do with Cheney's recent statements?

[UTUSN]

23. It's Just Playing Both Sides - Shrub Gets the Fundies, CHEENEE the

one-step-from-the-Far-Right and throws a crumb (to avoid a poor pun) to the LCRs.

[LeftistGorilla]

27. Flip....

Flop...

[blue agave]

30. Maybe he is trying to reign in ...

the Log Cabin Republicans, who have a major issue with the GOP's bigoted platform.

[Citizen Daryl]

32. "Protecting traditional marriage ranks ahead of the economy and jobs"

"Who gives a damn if we're broke and unemployed, long as them fags ain't gettin' hitched!"

Psychopathic religious freaks.

[NoBorders]

33. it's fun watching the freepers get worked into a pretzel over this

kinda like we do with some issues around here, come to think of it.

Some are clearly pissed at Cheney, and seems to me that for hardcore fundies, this could be a detriment to shrubya.

[sofa king]

36. Has Cheney been learning to speak Bush?

"at this point, save my own preference, as I have stated, but the president makes policy for the administration...."

I'd hate to have to diagram that nonsensical sentence-like statement. When I try to make sense of it though, it becomes chillingly accurate:

"Save (for) my own preference(s), the president makes policy for the administration."

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37. kick!

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