Russia prepared for pre-emptive strikes on 'terror bases' worldwide

[Nambe]

MOSCOW (AFP)

Russia is prepared to make pre-emptive strikes on "terrorist bases" anywhere in the world, the Interfax news agency cited the country's chief of staff as saying.

"With regard to preventive strikes on terrorist bases, we will take any action to eliminate terrorist bases in any region of the world. But this does not mean we will carry out nuclear strikes," General Yuri Baluyevsky said Wednesday.

Baluyevsky added that Russia's choice of action "will be determined by the concrete situation where ever it may be in the world. ..

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[clydefrand]

1. I wonder if they know of any terrorist bases in this country???

[RC]

4. WDC

Our own nation's Capitol.

[Name removed]

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[girl gone mad]

5. Putin..

isn't happy with the neocons support of Chechnya, or with our granting asylum recently to a chechen separatist fugitive.

[jumpstart33]

18. Russia touts a "failed policy" toward Chechnya just as Israel touts failed

policy toward the Palestinians and just as the US now touts a failing policy on Iraq. You would think that at least proclaimed "Christians" would understand the message in "Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap." But I guess the Bible is only for reading, not to understand and to live by. Even I in my short time here on earth understand this message.

[Iceburg]

15. Noonday Texas???

Terror Plot In Texas?

DALLAS, Jan. 7, 2004

In the East Texas hamlet of Noonday -- known for onions, not anarchy -- federal agents arrested a common-law couple last April. They were hiding a weapons cache, including, as CBS News Correspondent Bob McNamara reports, the makings of a sophisticated sodium cyanide bomb capable of killing thousands.

William Krar, 62, with ties to white supremacist groups, pleaded guilty to possessing a chemical weapon and faces life in prison, while 54-year-old Judith Bruey could get five years. She pleaded guilty to conspiracy to possess illegal weapons.

"They certainly had the capacity to be extremely dangerous," says U.S. assistant attorney Wes Rivers.

What agents found at a storage facility shocked them.

Photographs obtained by Dallas CBS station KTVT show illegal machine guns, boxes filled with 500,000 rounds of ammunition, homemade bombs, bomb-making instructions, antidotes for nerve agents and a Ku Klux Klan calling card.

... more
http://www.intelmessages.org/Messages/National_Security/wwwboard/messages_04/6843.html

[Judi Lynn]

17. They look like terrorists to me. We should give Noonday, Texas

wide berth! Stand waaay back! All hell can break loose, no doubt, if Russia follows _Bush's master plan for handling turrists.

[Crunchy Frog]

28. We'd better bomb Texas,

They clearly harbor dangerous terrorists.

[leftchick]

2. Did ya hear that idiotface* puppetboy*?

I just watched this on CNN. It got me thinking if, oh say Vlad decides there is a terror base in Virginia? :scared:

[RivetJoint]

49. He won't

We have something "other" terrorists don't...

[saracat]

3. Great! Just what we need! The Iron Fist has worked so well for them hasn't

it? I swear Putin and Dubya were evil twins seperated at birth! It's understandable how most of Russia is supporting Kerry!

[Judi Lynn]

7. Oh, yeah! Everything's cool! W saw his soul, remember?

I think it's all so touching!



Through thick and through thin,
all out or all in.
And whether it's win, place or show.
With you for me and me for you,
we'll muddle through whatever we do.
Together, wherever we go.
(snip)

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/bettemidler/togetherwhereverwego.html

[PassingFair]

21. These pictures are worth a thousand words...

all idiotically falling from assface's mouth while Putin lets him ramble on. It would be funny if our situation weren't so downright frightening.

[wolfgirl]

45. Yikes...

these photos give me the impression Putin is laughing his a** off while Bush is talking, etc. Putin scares the s**t out of me when you know he came up through the ranks in the KGB. They take no prisoners and Bush is such a lightweight and so out of his element.

[Tsiyu]

55. True, * is a babe in the woods

But his handlers are every bit as evil-minded and underhanded and trained in deceit as Pooty Poot.

[Sugarbleus]

8. Time for me to turn on the TV now....WOW...

NOW ON SALE, CHEAP: Slightly used 1950's backyard Bomb Shelters

[ursacorwin]

12. jesus chirst on a stick

i was thinking the same thing. um, i don't have a tv- not that i think that would help if it's really time to run to the shelter. at least we have one....

it's early and perhaps i'm just not sober yet, but should we be shitting our pants over this? i mean, i've just read up on a bunch of threads at smirkingchimp.com and things seem to have sprung up kinda overnight. i knew the russians were playing an angle in our whole pnac plan to take over the oil, but when did things get so ugly?

[drdon326]

9. Yeah....

Putin should simply accept the fact that its juuust fine for a bunch
of heartless psychos to murder 350 people of whom 150+ were children
and not cause any trouble for these so-called "freedom fighters".

(Name a country at this point that hasnt experienced the sheer joy
of terrorism under the guise of jihadism.)





eosarcasm

[Disturbed]

11. Just like 911 for Russia.

Now they have the excuse as the Neo Fascists did to totally devastate any territory they chose kill as many people as they wish and just say terrorists were there. This is just great.
We can expect more terrorist strikes in Russia because it seems both sides now consider it as all out war. The Russians are more brutal than the Americans so we can expect a lot of horror from both sides of this war.

[Aidoneus]

13. So nice to see you back, Don

Your ray of sunshine has been sorely missed, ...by somebody, I assume.

How about Denmark or Iceland, two of the freest countries around.

[Crunchy Frog]

29. I agree...

They'd better invade Georgia immediately. That'll show them turrists!

[Radius]

32. Bingo

Just picked up an ally. Russian jihad, afgani jihad, funded by saudi money and fundie wahabbist islam.. Just my theory.
Sudan, southern Thailand, bali, abu sayeef (philipino kidnapper jihados) all carried out by jihados.

Lets see the two most powerful millitary forces in the world share a similar problem.

[Sterling]

46. Bush does not see it that way.

Our Government wants Putin to talk nice with the Chechens. In fact many people think the Chechens have a side to the story as well.

[Radius]

47. Will

Be interesting to see how this plays. But I think (for what its worth) the russians do not percieve us as a target. An annoyance maybe, but not the enemy.

[LauraK]

52. I hope this gets legs. It makes dimson look even worse.

[Sterling]

53. "but not the enemy."

certainly not as a friend. Enemy is maybe too strong a word but rival is not.

[foo_bar]

63. my sample set of two Russians think it was renegade Spetznas

but perhaps all MIHOP theories are local.

An alliance with Russia is wishful thinking. You can't be czar without stirring national prejudice.

[Crunchy Frog]

10. Great job Bush and neocons!

You thought that we were the only ones who could play this game, since we were so much more powerful than everyone else.

Like you couldn't see that if we adopted the preemption doctrine for ourselves, others wouldn't see that as a green light to do the same thing.

You've returned the world to a might makes right, law of the jungle situation, only now, there's nukes all over the place, and people crazy enough to use them, ( and I include you in that last category).

No Pax Americana new world order, just chaos and a massive global killing field.

Thank you so fucking much!

[teryang]

14. pre-emption, a practice that led to WWI

Wonderful regression in international affairs.

[Radius]

33. and

could have prevented ww2. Everyone looked the other way while hitler broke treaty after treaty.

[Emboldened Chimp]

35. It didn't help that American corporations were assisting the build-up...

...of the Nazi war machine. Anything for a buck.

[Radius]

39. Krupps

VW, Mercedes, Opel. Mauser. And the millions of germans who worked for them?

I've had this discussion at length. Nationalized us assets in germany were net losses for the companies that owned them.

WW2 was not about money, it was about German Nationalism and old grudges from ww1.

[The Magistrate]

59. True Enough, Sir

It really is possible for things to go wrong, and evil be done, without the United States having the least degree of responsibility for it....

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

[antigone382]

64. One of which was Standard Oil

And who got rich off of that deal?

Why, none other than Prescott Bush.

[teryang]

60. Er, that isn't pre-emption

Hitler invades Rhineland, invades Austria, and threatens to invade the Sudatenland. Allies do nothing. A response wouldn't have been pre-emption, it would have been a reaction after the indisputable fact in legitimate defense of another country and international law.

[Capt_Nemo]

16. Halliburton's pipeline through Georgia is the "terrorist base"

they are going after.

Cheney will be pissed...

[Art_from_Ark]

19. ...not to mention my co-worker

who hails from that part of the world
:scared:

[mmonk]

20. Bush/Cheney are trend setters

Its going to be interesting to see how the world gets divied up again.

[Kadie]

22. Hey, you are supposed to do as we say not as we do.

You would think the rest of the world would have figured that out by now!

[lovuian]

23. Is that a Bullseye on the Whitehouse

:bounce:

[jmcgowanjm]

24. Question#1:How did that film get out?

#2: If from a hostagetaker, how did it get to RussianTV?
#3: When did the film start, when did it end?
#4: Since the film got out, that means that at lest
one hostagetaker got out. The one getting out just
happened to have the film?
#5: Someone besides/opposed to the Kremlin knows
exactly what happened in that Beslan gym and
is still alive?

[Cocoa]

25. muscling in on Bush's racket

it's a good old-fashioned gang war!

[autorank]

26. Which is precisely what we DID NOT do!

Maybe they can loan us some of their people to think for our DOD, State Department, and White House. Russian diplomats were taken hostage at about the same time ours were in Iran way back when. A Russian honcho showed up and told the Iranian students, release them or really awful things will start to happen in 24 hours. Russian diplomats were released; ours held for almost a year.

[PATRICK]

27. Putin invades Iraq

The new Baghdad Wall divides the the Coalition of the Drilling from the
kinder gentler Soviets. In the Baghdad Airlift the USAF drops in crates of champagne and caviar for stranded Halliburton executives although they have been furtively trading Abrams tanks and Humvees to the Russians for caviar already.

Putin bombs Haiti. Members of the Carlyle Group are mysteriously assassinated. Next stop: Poland.

[Emboldened Chimp]

36. Is there oil in Poland?

Just asking...

[bobthedrummer]

30. I sincerely hope they target certain sites in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan

:nuke:

[Viking12]

42. Putting this announcement together with yesterday's

warning about Paskistani funding of Chechen separatists, that would appear to be a distinct possibility :scared:

[stray cat]

31. Any comment from Bush/Cheney on it yet?

nt

[Chico Man]

37. Yeah they better remember a little thing called foreign policy (nt)

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

34. Hmmmmmm....

I suppose if that's agood enough reason for the US then its a good enough reason for them. This is what you call a case of leading by BAD example.......

[Chico Man]

38. Did Bush bring back the cold war?

It looks like it to me.

[Radius]

43. Common Enemy

Jihados. Chechen islamos with saudi money, afgani islamos, with saudi money, bali, south thailans, sudan.

Lots of people support the jihadis and we aren't on the list.

I read a new ally. Maybe they will stop selling jihados weapons and reactors, that would be nice.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

48. Got sloppy

Isn't this "thailanOs" and "sudanOs"?

Having dark skin and towels on head isn't enough -- thay have to END WITH VOWELS!!!!!

[Radius]

51. Fundies

are not a race. It is a structure of beliefs. Fundie islam is responsible for death in southern thailand and in sudan, as well as other places around the globe.

[stickdog]

50. Um, no. (nt)

[Shallah Kali]

40. Thanks Dubya for opening Pandora's Box

and letting all hell break loose.

[Just Me]

41. That's what he and his neocons wanted,...

,...to create an all out war (per "Prince of Darkness", Perle). Hell, the neocons may have helped finance the whole horrible event up there.

We have too many sociopathic, power-mongers in leadership positions these days. God help us all!!!

[sofa king]

44. The Russkies might not be kidding around

Lots of people are willing to talk smack about the former Soviets, but as far as I know they're still sitting on something we can only wish we had. They have six brigades of Spetsnaz troops: quickly deployable, airborne capable, (theoretically) highly trained special operations forces. I believe each brigade numbers approximately 5,000 troops, for a reputed total of 30,000 special operations capable troops. That's the rough equivalent of three divisions of elite troops right there.

By somewhat unfair comparison,* we have about seven Special Forces Groups. I think the twenty or so battallions of Green Berets adds up to just about 5,000 troops, total.

One of John Kerry's campaign promises is to double the size of the Special Forces.

The point is that on paper at least, the Russians have a huge capability for causing extreme damage at long distance. If the Russians decide to go global, and they're not interested in playing ball with us, we'll all be playing a guessing game of "who whacked whom" for years. And when we meet unexpectedly, as we did in Kosovo, things can get tense in a heck of a hurry.

Failing to engage and cooperate with Russia in the war on global terrorism is a mistake so large that that failing alone should be grounds for removing this administration. As it happens, it's par for the course for the damned week. Sometimes it boggles my mind how screwed we are.


* This is a really unfair comparison, because many will argue that Spetsnaz guys actually compare more favorably to our Airborne or Ranger troops rather than the super-elite Green Berets. Nobody is going to claim that Russian training equals that undergone by Americans, either. Many will argue that they're not ready for prime time and haven't been for over a decade. And while we only have seven groups of Green Berets, we also have several battallions of Rangers, two divisions of Airborne (or air-mobile) troops, a Mountain Division, a number of special mission capable Marine Expeditionary Units, as well as SEALs and Deltas and "bounty hunters" and CIA paramilitary assets and probably buck-toothed rednecks with hunting rifles going on vacation to Afghanistan.

[Ohio rules]

54. Good post sofa king one question,

When Russia talks of going global, I wonder who they will partner with.
Face it,
to project power the way the US can...it takes a war treasure chest that their GNP ( Or is it GDP ? )is simply bankrupt in depth. Can they support the lines of supply on a true global scale ?...
I think not.

Putin lashed out at the EU criticism.
Yes, as we all know, he lashed out at the US also.
your words;

"Failing to engage and cooperate with Russia in the war on global terrorism is a mistake so large that that failing alone should be grounds for removing this administration. As it happens, it's par for the course for the damned week. Sometimes it boggles my mind how screwed we are.

Putin is screwd without allies also.
So, are we with him or "with the terrorists"

Again
good post "sofa king" LOL

[Tsiyu]

56. Quem Deus vult perdere, prius dementat

It's every man, woman and child for him or herself.

And hope for the best?

[Ohio rules]

57. They can't go it alone

Why
that would be MAD
;)

[Athame]

58. Without allies?

Well, China comes to mind.

[teryang]

62. American meddling along the 40th parallel

...instigating the radical Islamic movement was initially aimed at crippling the Soviet Union. It's target is still encirclement of Russian influence and disintegration of what is left of the Russian empire. American Russian cooperation on the war on terror is jingoistic propaganda designed to disguise for the respective domestic constituencies, the very serious conflict which is ongoing between the two powers. It's easy to disguise for the most part because the conflict is so one sided. Our greatest blunder was the Iraq move where our heavy bleeding began.

[Just Me]

66. e.g.,,,,"empires" always lose,....

,...human evolution carries on,...with the weight and suffering that asshole power-mongers impose.

Ultimately,...

[shawn703]

61. Should Saudi Arabia be afraid? n/t

[LynnTheDem]

65. So. Does anyone...

FEEL SAFER YET?

[agincourt]

67. Gee whiz!

I wonder where he got the idea? I'm sure we sit on solid ground to argue against his case.