CBSNEWS PLANS STATEMENT TO 'CLARIFY' BUSH GUARD DOCUMENTS STORY... DEVELOP

[Roon]

I wonder what this is all about?
http://www.drudgereport.com

[wurzel]

1. It is Drudge trying to get ahead of the curve with a foul ball.

[GOPAgainstGW]

18. WHY DO PEOPLE POST SLUDGE INFO AT DU! SLUDGE IS AN IDIOT! POST IT TO FR!!

THERE IS SO MUCH WE ALL NEED TO BE DOING FOR THE KERRY-EDWARDS CAMPAIGN WITHOUT ALL THIS THREAD CLUTTER OF WORTHLESS POSTS LIKE THE SLUDGE POSTS.

WHY CANNOT WE ALL COMMIT TO POSTING INFO FROM CREDIBLE SOURCES THAT CAN BE VETTED, THAT WE CAN ALL SHARE, DISCUSS, AND ACT UPON, AND STOP ALL THE OTHER WORTHLESS BULL SHITE!

THIS SITE IS HAVING ENOUGH TROUBLE AS IT IS WITH THEIR SERVER/SOFTWARE PROBLEM, ET. AL. WITHOUT LOADING IT DOWN WITH CRAP THREADS ALL THE TIME.

JUST MY 3 CENTS, AND BLOWING OF SOME STEAM. THANKS - NRK


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[wurzel]

50. I suppose not everyone is aware of who or what Drudge is.

[Prodemsouth]

2. I said oh shit, then I saw Drudge. Mods can you make it a rule that

news posters put Drudge in the Subject line - when putting latest breaking news. If that is the sorce.

[madaboutharry]

5. I agree.

n/t

[nosmokes]

11. does dredge even qualify as news?

really?

i would vote that we just not allow it to be used as a source in LBN at all.

[SidDithers]

16. You can tell it's from Drudge by the ALL CAPS title...

It's a dead giveaway :)

He shouldn't be a news source, tho. Should only be allowed in GD and GD2004.

Sid

[Barad Simith]

22. The mods can't create rules. You'll have to post the request in ATA.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=120

[PROGRESSIVE1]

3. CBS got these documents through the "Freedom of Information Act".

How can the be "forged"???

:eyes:

[On the Road]

7. Is This a Guess?

or has it been reported somewhere? That would be excellent.

[Snellius]

10. But didn't CBS say they were from Killian's private, personal files?

Freedom of Information Act only applies to federal public government docs.

[samtob]

39. Unfortunately,

No they didn't. The documents (in question) were received from a private party, not the official record.

[notadmblnd]

49. so whats that private party's connection to rove?

nt

[Bernardo de La Paz]

4. From what I hear, Drudge has been saying this for a week.

And it is not necessary to type the Subject line all in capital letters. Especially for Drudge and especially when no time has been taken to excerpt it and especially when there there is no added content.

[aquart]

6. Gosh, are we under a disinformation assault?

Who would want to do that, I wonder?

[lancdem]

9. And didn't Drudge report days ago

that CBS was starting an internal investigation? That turned out to be false.

[indie_voter]

8. Salon says this too, supposed to be at Noon EDT

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=2355325&mesg_id=2355325&page=

[Prodemsouth]

12. Well what happened?

past nonn edt-

[hlthe2b]

13. nothing as far as I can tell...

[indie_voter]

14. nothing. Haven't seen a press release yet. n/t

[Beer Snob-50]

30. Rush thinks they delayed their statement

so that his show couldn't dissect it on the air. He also thinks they will can Rather.

[yardwork]

35. LOL! In his dreams!

Yeah, CBS is going to can Rather because he broke a story that nobody has been able to prove false after a week.

Repeating the same lie over and over doesn't make it true, as much as Rush would like his dittoheads to believe it.

[leQ]

15. i wonder if rather was listening to WBAI this morning

WBAI - Democracy Now is saying:

If Rove is behind the leaking of the "forged" documents shown on "60 Minutes", it could well be phase two of a strategy to kill all criticism of President Bush for his record during the Vietnam War era. If the documents turn out to be fakes, the story will no longer be about Bush's military record but about who forged the documents. In fact that is essentially what is happening already. It won't be long before fingers start pointing toward the Kerry camp.

i think some DU'rs were speculating that rove could be behind this. and i think i remember seeing something else that listed rove's history for dirty tricks, like the time he bugged his own office and screamed bloddy hell about someone else doing it.

either way, for once i wish the guy would get caught with his pants down.

[Pathwalker]

17. You should check out 60 Minutes tonight.

Pretty interesting! MORE on *.

[Clinton Crusader]

19. there's more on * 60 Minutes TONIGHT?

I hadnt heard this. Truly I hadnt.
:kick:

[Pathwalker]

24. Apparently, I was mistaken - sorry.

Tonight is Gen. "My God's bigger than your God" Boynkin.
Sorry about the mix-up.

[Gabysan]

20. The RNC Did This

This is a total plant by the fascists in the RNC. Rove has got his fingerprints all over this. I wouldn't be surprised if CBS was in on it to try to damage Kerry. They should also look into probable involvement by Israel.

[Bridget Burke]

21. So, Israel & CBS are plotting against Kerry

...along with the Rove & the RNC.

That's a good one.

[henslee]

25. We must protect our precious bodily fluids.

[rinsd]

27. LOL...(nt)

[Gabysan]

28. By The Way

La shana tova tikoshevu. Happy New Year To All

[dennis4868]

29. Happy New Year!

[mac56]

23. Welcome

Do you have anything, anything at all, to back up the CBS and Israel allegations?

[AlCzervik]

26. yeah ok. take off the tinfoil hat and back away.

[leftynyc]

33. Get Lost

n/t

[I Miss Bubba]

45. That makes sense to divert attention

done as a favor by Israel to make the the "mole" inquiry to disappear. CBS is the network that broke that big story. Maybe it's payback for exposing them?

[FranMonet]

31. Unwitting Drudge indicts Bush

check this out.

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/09/14/bush_service/index.html

nwitting Drudge indicts Bush
A 1968 document from the president's military file, posted on the Internet, merely reminds us of how far short he fell in fulfilling his service commitments.

- - - - - - - - - - - -
By Eric Boehlert

Sept. 14, 2004 | Attempting to bolster President Bush as he continues to stonewall questions about his Texas Air National Guard service, Internet gossip Matt Drudge posted a 1968 document from Bush's military personnel file Monday afternoon that purports to buttress a long-ago claim by Bush that he served not only in the Texas Air National Guard but in the Air Force as well. Although this "exclusive" Drudge posting is a trivial sidebar to the larger story of Bush's absence from two years of military service, the document itself -- presumably provided to Drudge by a Republican operative -- turns out to be an incriminating piece of evidence against Bush's case.

The Air Force claim arose in 1978, when Bush ran unsuccessfully for the House of Representatives from west Texas. During the campaign he produced literature in which he said he had served in the Air Force as well as the Texas Air National Guard. Pressed by the Associated Press about the claim two decades later in 1999, Bush's spokeswoman, handler and biographer, Karen Hughes, insisted the assertion was accurate. Her explanation: As part of his 1968 training to become a Guard pilot, Bush served 120 days of active duty; therefore he served in the Air Force.

[UTUSN]

32. WOODRUFF: CBS Standing by Its Report, But

some experts are casting doubt on the documents. 3 experts used by CBS have come forward to say they had issues they raised with CBS, "to caution them not to use the handwriting part & that I could not authenticate these documents for them." Another one says she warned CBS "if you run these on Wed, on Thurs you will have 100 documents experts asking to see them." A 3rd could only verify that the signatures came from the same source. Secty says she didn't type them and are fake but DO ACCURATELY reflect what KILLIAM thought about Shrub's performance.

[Spazito]

34. Here is CBCNews article, dated today....

Questions About Bush Memos Linger



snip

CBS News said that Will and James played only a "peripheral role" in assessing the documents, and had seen only one of the four used in the report. Ultimately they deferred to another expert who has seen all four documents, Marcel Matley, and who continues to back up CBS' account.

However, Matley has told CNN, The Washington Post and other media organizations that his work was limited to verifying that the signatures on the memos came from the same source. He did not, he says, claim that the documents themselves were authentic.

Killian's former secretary, 86-year-old Marian Carr Knox, also questioned the documents in an interview with The Dallas Morning News.

snip

CBS News spokeswoman Sandra Genelius said CBS did not believe Knox was a documents expert and that the network believes the documents are genuine.

more


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/06/politics/main641481.shtml


(Sure doesn't sound like they are backing down to me!)

[demoman123]

37. There is nothing new here.

[WatchWhatISay]

36. So why doesn't the Bush campaign file a frivilous law suit

I guess their surrogates are cooking up another frivilous congressional investigation instead

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[MallRat]

42. Does that mean we're allowed to be snarky if we have 1000+ posts?

Snark. Snark. Snark.

:-)

-MR

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[WatchWhatISay]

51. Unfortunately I missed the deleted replies

But fortunately, I appearantly outed a disruptor.

Can someone who saw them private message me and fill me in?

[JPZenger]

44. Read #38 - Funny as Hell

[NNN0LHI]

54. How about a summary? Its been zapped. Thanks in advance n/t

[arlib]

46. I guess it's ok...

...to post pro GOP spin on this point but not to challenge it. Great. But, then again, this is the current state of the Democratic Party. No wonder we are getting our asses handed to us.

[mmonk]

47. Radical Liberal.........

[arlib]

48. Thank you...

...I don't mind the moniker. It would suit me better than the other poster!

[bigpathpaul]

52. Link to CBS: They Have the Whole Thing with Links!

Can't believe I missed it, but CBS has the main story and links to lots of related stories here:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/08/60II/main641984.shtml

Just when I'd lost all hope in the media!




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53. Link to CBS: They Have the Whole Thing with Links!

Can't believe I missed it, but CBS has the main story and links to lots of related stories here:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/08/60II/main641984.shtml

Just when I'd lost all hope in the media!




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