Chile marks Allende's 1973 death

[IndianaGreen]

Nixon and Kissinger have blood on their hands!

Chile marks Allende's 1973 death

Saturday, 11 September, 2004

By Clinton Porteous
BBC News, Santiago

Commemorative services are being held in Chile to mark the death of Socialist President Salvador Allende in a military coup in 1973.
Mr Allende's widow attended a religious service inside the presidential palace where he died on 11 September.

The commemorations come as Allende's successor, Gen Augusto Pinochet, fights a series of legal battles after the Supreme Court stripped him of his legal immunity.

He is accused of being responsible for kidnappings and torture during an international crackdown on political opponents known as Operation Condor.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3646660.stm

[bluestateguy]

1. I look forward to the day when we can celebrate Mr. Pinochet's death

Kegger at my place when that joyous day arrives.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

6. KICK!!!

[ck4829]

2. Tragedy seems to strike a lot on 9/11

3000 people died on September 11, 2001

A good man named Salvador Allende and 1000's of Innocent Chileans died starting on September 11, 1973

We see the dictatorial side of the right on September 11, 1998 (I think it was 1998), this is when Ken Starr wrote the case for impeachemtn for Clinton. This stopped him from fighting terror, and the persecution of Clinton may have been a factor to 9/11.

9/11 seems to be a day that always works for the Favor of the Right

[seemslikeadream]

3. September 11, 1973

Salvador Allende's last words to his beloved people. Tuesday morning September 11 1973

"This will surely be the last time I speak to you, Magallanes Radio will be silenced, and the reassuring tone of my voice will not reach you.

It doesn't matter. You will continue hearing it. I will always be with you. At the least, your memory of me will be that of a man who was loyal to the country. . .

Placed in this historical transition, I will pay with my life the loyalty of the people. I say to you that I am sure that the seed that we now plant in the dignified conscience of thousands and thousands of Chileans cannot be forever blinded. They have the power, they can smash us, but social processes are detained, neither through crimes nor power. History is ours, and the people creates it…

In this moment of definition, the last thing I can say to you is that I hope you will learn this lesson: foreign capital and imperialism united with reactionary elements, created the climate for the Armed Forces to break with their tradition…

I have faith in Chile and its destiny. Other people will overcome this gray and bitter moment where treason tries to impose itself. May you continue to know that much sooner than later the great avenues, through which free people will walk to build a better society, will open …

Long live Chile!
Long live the People!

Long live the Workers!

These are my last words. I am sure that my sacrifice will not be in vain; I am sure that it will at least be a moral lesson which will punish felony, cowardice and treason."

[Judi Lynn]

4. It's a miracle something went wrong and this didn't happen to Hugo Chavez

I believe without a doubt the same result was expected within the _Bush regime.

Kissinger meeting with Pinochet.



Say, they're killing their "own people (suspected leftists) !" (With our full support.)


Son cinco minutos.
La vida es eterna en cinco minutos.
Suena la sirena de vuelta al trabajo,
y tú caminando, lo iluminas todo.
Los cinco minutos te hacen florecer.

( Te recuerdo Amanda - Víctor Jara )

http://www.elangelcaido.org/comunicacion/029/02911septiembre.html



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If anyone's around who speaks Spanish adequately, would you like to describe what is written in this poem by Victor Jara? I could glean only enough in a look at the writing here to understand he was killed by the Pinochet regime. Thank you.

[JimmyJazz]

5. Victor Jara

was a socialist musician. He played in the Santiago Stadium just days before the coup. He was captured by the soldiers and imprisoned for his political beliefs. Later, he was returned to the Santiago Stadium where soldiers smashed his hands and taunted him to play his guitar. Afterward, they killed him.

Sorry it's not an exact translation, but that's pretty much what happened.

"...please remember Victor Jara, in the Santiago Stadium - es vardas, those Washington Bullets again..." The Clash

[Judi Lynn]

7. It IS as bad as I feared, then. Thank you so much.

Now there's a story ahead to learn about this man.

The fact he was performing there as a musician before being imprisoned there and tortured is unfathomable. Pure hell.

That's a story which needs airing.

Welcome to D.U., 101er. :hi:

[JimmyJazz]

9. thanks - it's good to be here

I can't believe you didn't learn the story in public school history class! Oh wait, neither did I! I picked up the line from the Clash song, didn't understand it and did some research. Then I cried.

Pathetic that one has to learn world history from an English punk band, no?

[Judi Lynn]

11. Great post. It IS odd, isn't it?

What a shock those of us who care, or find out accidently, are in for when we start running into the iceburg we were NOT told existed in our history lessons and conventional sources!

[seemslikeadream]

8. Thanks 101er

for posting about Victor

[Judi Lynn]

10. I found a site which has some of his songs

This is a rough translation of his song to Amanda:

I remember you Amanda
when the streets were wet,
running to the factory
where Manuel worked.
With your wide smile,
the rain in your hair
nothing else mattered,
you were going to meet him.
Five minutes only,
all of your life
in five minutes
The siren is sounding
time to go back to work.
And as you walk
you light up everything
those five minutes
have made you flower.
I remember you Amanda
when the streets were wet,
running to the factory
where Manuel worked.
With your wide smile,
the rain in your hair
nothing else mattered,
you were going to meet him.

And he took to the mountains to fight
He had never hurt a fly
And he took to the mountains to fight
And in five minutes
it was all wiped out
The siren is sounding
time to go back to work
Many will not go back
one of them Manuel
I remember you Amanda
when the streets were wet,
running to the factory
where Manuel worked.

http://www.msu.edu/~chapmanb/jara/eindex.html

[JimmyJazz]

13. I think the part about 5 minutes

is what is under his picture in the above post.

[Judi Lynn]

16. It's a beautiful lyric, even altered by translation.

I looked at Amazon to see if they had any recordings, but no luck. It would be wonderful to hear his work.

Interesting that the Clash knew about him, but Americans are completely unaware.

The photo by the poem looks as if he has been bound, and I'm wondering if he's not in the area around the National soccer stadium in Santiago. God only knows how many souls never walked into that place and never walked back out again to their lives.

What a nasty waste. And what was gained? Maybe Henry Kissinger should be encouraged to share that with his fellow Americans sometime, as he tells us why he spent our taxes on this murder and mayhem.

In the present, he's busy trying to avoid being hauled off for war crimes. It's been threatened. He has apologized multiple times, saying it was just a part of the way the world was then. That doesn't get it.

[JimmyJazz]

20. It's Interesting, but not surprising

The stuff that was in Joe Strummer's head is mind blowing - Remember, the name of the album was called "Sandinista" and it was released in 1980 - a good 4 years before anyone in this country heard of Oliver North, the Sandinistas, the Contras. It just demonstrates how our media is practically government controlled and has been for some time.

[JimmyJazz]

28. Are you sure? I did a google search on "Vicotr Jara"

and found a few of his works on cd as imports through Amazon.com. Try again - it's worth the effort.

[Judi Lynn]

30. O.K.! All Righty! I found a recording of "Te requerdo, Amanda."

It's really beautiful. Just as I expected. It's the sixth choice down the page at this ~~~~ link ~~~~



I've scanned the material I've seen around looking for the song, and it would appear they wanted to murder him BECAUSE he was a famous protest singer, PERIOD. Nothing more or less. They learned, as you have seen history reveal, people can actually reach a point from which NO ONE CAN STOP YOU. From that point they were free to kill him.

[JimmyJazz]

32. You are amazing

I really appreciate your curiosity and your passion. Plus, your pictures are beautiful. Music really does have the power to educate and enlighten. As a side note: apparently, while Victor Jara was imprisoned, he spent his time providing solace to other prisoners, ignoring his own anguish. He was a true hero.

[struggle4progress]

41. The Nixon Administration helped prepare lists of "subversives" in Chile:

folks on the lists were immediately rounded up and killed.

[struggle4progress]

42. The Nixon Administration helped prepare lists of "subversives" in Chile:

folks on the lists were immediately rounded up and killed.

[Judi Lynn]

58. Had communication with a man whose plane was rerouted to Buenos Aires

during the coup, and went to Santiago immediately after, living there for some time before and afterwards.

He said that the stadium where Victor Jara has been named in his honor now. Also, he said that "Amanda," the name in his famous song is also the name of his daughter.

Here is Victor Jara's wife,widow, Joan, who is famous in Chile, as well:

[BAPhill]

12. My wife is from Chile...

She was just 6 or 7 when this happened...though she remembers
seeing soldiers. One time I remember telling her about someones death
and she replied "and Pinochet is still alive" and shook her head.

[seemslikeadream]

14. Pinochet is still alive and going on trial Pinochet: Murderer and Thief

Tito Tricot, samedi, 31/07/2004 - 13:44
Analyses | Droits humains
PINOCHET: MURDERER AND THIEF

It was a cold and misty day when the clouds unleashed their massive tears of disbelief as three diplomats were killed in the Chilean embassy in Costa Rica. Only a day earlier, a priest was slain by an irate youth in the country’s cathedral. Now, in the middle of the northern desert, an army tank crushed into a school bus. Unusual events indeed, but even more unusual is the fact that General Augusto Pinochet is being investigated, both in the United States and Chile, for holding millionaire secret bank accounts.

Only two months ago the country’s Court of Appeal stripped Pinochet of his immunity from prosecution opening the way for a new trial on human rights violations during his regime. He is being investigated in relation to the infamous “Operation Condor”, an intelligence network organized in the 70s to persecute, arrest, torture and murder political opponents in Chile, Bolivia, Uruguay, Paraguay, Argentina and Brazil.

Thus, the earth seems to be moving under the ageing dictator’s feet, but do not be deceived, for in spite of being responsible for horrendous crimes in Chile and other Latin American countries, Pinochet has never spent a single day in prison and it is highly unlikely that he ever will. His lawyers have pleaded insanity to avoid prosecution, the courts have accepted this argument and the Government is pleased that the General is not going to prison, because his freedom and impunity from prosecution were part of the negotiations between the Armed Forces and the civilian opposition over a decade ago.

Here in Chile, everyone knows that Pinochet is neither insane nor senile, not only because he frequently goes shopping to luxurious Malls or travels to the coast on holidays, but because the majority of Chileans are aware that his release from house detention in England on so called “humanitarian grounds”, was nothing but a political negotiation. It was precisely while he was in London that the New York based Riggs Bank transferred millions of dollars from his bank accounts to avoid detection by investigating judges. The question arises then: How did a person mentally unfit to stand trial manage six bank accounts and set up two offshore corporations in the Bahamas? Were the Ashburton Company and Althorp Investment Firm used for money laundering? Where did all this money come from? How could a General with a salary of less than 15 thousand dollars a year manage to save eight million dollars?
more
http://www.cmaq.net/fr/node.php?id=17712

[mitchtv]

17. Time to show H.Kissinger the inside of a Chilean Jail

He is just as guilty.

[GliderGuider]

18. Chile hoy

We visited Chile in April and I can tell you that the Chileans are fiercely proud of their democracy.
The government palace that you see above, the one that the soldiers are looking down on, is where Pinochet lived after the coup.
It is now a monument to the struggle, open to the public for over two years. (It was odd, I have to tell you, witnessing the police apologetically checking our bags before going in.)
The courtyard is now an art museum with pieces inspired by the fall and rise of Chilean democracy.
The palace is one side of a large, open square. Forming another side of the square on the right is the Ministry of Justice building.
In the corner formed by these symbolic buildings is a statue of Salvatore Allende Cossens, striding forward into the wind, with the flag of Chile draped across him.
It is inscribed: Tengo fe en Chlie y su destino. (I have faith in Chile and her destiny.) 11 de Septiembre de 1973

BAPhill, if your wife is like the people we met, she is strong, determined, proud and beautiful.

Let Chile be an inspiration to you in the States. Do not despair. The people will be faithful to the American dream and return democracy to the US.

[JimmyJazz]

21. The "Pinochet File"

has been recently published. It's a commentary with the actual documents produced via a FOIA request. It's a grunt to get through (certainly not written on the 4th grade level), but it does demonstrate that Nixon and Kissinger committed crimes against humanity.

[Zhade]

15. Kick for the original 9/11.

:dem:

[Cocoa]

19. let's invite Kissinger to comment on world affairs

and while we're at it, let's have him chair the 9/11 Commission!

[IndianaGreen]

40. Last I heard Kissinger had to seek refuge in the American Embassy

in London in order to avoid being subpoena by Judge Baltasar Garszn who wanted Henry the K extradited to Spain. Looks like Henry was saved by Tony "The Poodle" Blair.

UK denies Spain's Kissinger request
April 23, 2002 Posted: 9:55 AM EDT (1355 GMT)

MADRID, Spain -- Britain has refused a Spanish judge's request for permission to question Henry Kissinger during the former U.S. secretary of state's visit to London this week.

Judge Baltasar Garzon, who is investigating crimes committed during military dictatorships in South America, asked the British authorities to allow him to question Kissinger, who is due to attend a convention on Wednesday.

A Home Office spokeswoman in London told CNN on Tuesday that the request had been denied.

Joan Garces, a Madrid-based lawyer involved in the investigation of former Chilean leader Gen. Augusto Pinochet, said the British authorities were told by the U.S. State Department that Garzon should send his request to interview Kissinger to Washington.

The U.S state department's response "can only raise questions about what Mr. Kissinger has to hide," Garces said in a statement.

http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/04/23/britain.kissinger/

[Minstrel Boy]

22. "I don't see why we need to stand by and watch a country go communist

because of the irresponsibility of its own people," said the sonuvabitch assassin.

[JimmyJazz]

23. Minstrel boy as in global-a-go-go?

You had me frightened there for a second!

[Minstrel Boy]

24. The Joe Strummer album?

Nah, I initially took Minstrel Boy from the Dylan song.

But that old Minstrel Boy song, the one Strummer covers, is terrific, and probably suits me better now:

The minstrel boy to the war is gone,
In the ranks of death you'll find him;
His father's sword he hath girded on,
And his wild harp slung behind him;

"Land of Song!" cried the warrior bard,
(Should) "Tho' all the world betrays thee,
One sword, at least, thy rights shall guard,
One faithful harp shall praise thee!"

The Minstrel fell! But the foeman's chain
Could not bring that proud soul under;
The harp he lov'd ne'er spoke again,
For he tore its chords asunder;

And said "No chains shall sully thee,
Thou soul of love and brav'ry!
Thy songs were made for the pure and free
They shall never sound in slavery!

[JimmyJazz]

25. No wonder they used that song in "Black Hawk Down"

[Bridget Burke]

53. a bit more on "The Minstrel Boy"

An emotionally stirring and inspirational song, The Minstrel Boy was written by Thomas Moore (1779-1852) who set it to the melody of The Moreen, and old Irish aire. It is believed by many that Moore composed the song as a memorial to several of his friends he had met while a student at Trinity College and who had participated in the 1798 rebellion of the United Irishmen. One died in prison, another was wounded, and a third captured and hung. The song originally consisted of two verses. Due to its popularity, the song was a favorite of the many Irishmen who fought during the U.S. Civil War, primarily on the Union side.

http://ogallchobhair.org/minstrelboy.htm

This is the song that Sean Connery sang in The Man Who Would Be King as he waited to be killed. And the tune has been in the soundtrack of at least one John Ford movie.

[JimmyJazz]

61. thanks for the input. I can't say that I saw the Sean Connery

movie - is it worth seeing?

[Judi Lynn]

34. Cool Kissinger photo! Looking good.

http://mccarthy.vg:8080/images.mccarthy.vg/bush-pick.jpg http://peter-

[seemslikeadream]

26. The Four Amigo's

[Judi Lynn]

31. Excellent.

Here's another one:


Old Pals in the White House Cabinet Room, 17 June 1976
Bush Senior (left middle), Cheney (centre, with hair!), Kissinger (right, sitting)

and one more:

[BAPhill]

27. I happened to be in Santiago when....

Pinochet returned from England, where they held him
trying to decide if they should extradite him to Spain.
He slipped that noose because they said he was too old
and senile...I watched the TV as he got out of his
wheelchair and started shaking hands...senile my ass.

[JimmyJazz]

29. This is a huge story

and we need to keep an eye on the proceedings. I'm very curious to see what the Republican White House will have to say about a monster they put into power in 1973. Every stinkin' time I hear Sean Hannity say, "isn't the world better off without Saddam," (His be all and end all argument to an illegal invasion) I picture Pinochet's face and realize how hypocritical it is for an American to say such a thing. After all, we love our brutal dictators as long as they are doing what we want.

Hey Sean, here's a clue: Guatamala, Cuba, Nicaragua, Chile, Iran...these are just some of the countries that would have been better off without their own version of Saddam. These are all countries whose dictator we either 1). Helped put into power OR 2). Told everyone what a "great friend" he is/was to the USA OR 3). both.

If you aren't angry, you aren't paying attention.

[seemslikeadream]

33. Since Pinochet was using Uncle Jonathan Bush's Riggs Bank

to hold all his money maybe we'll see the name Bush come up at the trial.

New Spotlight on Pinochet
Riggs Probe Renews Push to Prosecute Ex-Dictator

By Kathleen Day and Pascale Bonnefoy
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, August 26, 2004; Page E01

The investigation of money laundering at Riggs Bank has helped reopen efforts in Chile to hold former dictator Augusto Pinochet accountable for alleged human rights violations during his 17-year rule.

Chile's Supreme Court said it will rule today whether Pinochet is mentally fit to stand trial -- with prosecutors using evidence of how he manipulated accounts at Riggs to argue that he is.

A Senate report released last month on possible money-laundering violations at Riggs suggests that Pinochet, 88, actively managed millions of dollars in recent years to hide assets from international prosecutors seeking restitution for the families of his alleged crimes. Critics say the information -- coupled with a television interview of Pinochet aired in Miami last year -- undermines Pinochet's long-standing claim that several strokes have rendered him too infirm to be charged and tried in court.

The report by the Senate permanent subcommittee on investigations had a ripple effect in Chile, touching off a fierce debate and sparking a judicial investigation into the source of Pinochet's wealth. In the past four weeks a judge questioned Pinochet's wife and children, and finally, even Pinochet himself for 45 minutes. At a hearing yesterday, the Supreme Court heard arguments from prosecutors, who want Pinochet's immunity from prosecution lifted, and from Pinochet's attorneys, who want it to remain in place.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A33865-2004Aug25.html


Bank with close ties to Bush administration engulfed in scandal

In addition to its dealings with the Saudi royal family and Equatorial Guinea’s dictator, Riggs had a close relationship with the former dictator of Chile, Augusto Pinochet. Pinochet held numerous active accounts at Riggs between 1994 and 2002, even while he was under house arrest in Britain and his assets were supposedly frozen.

According to the subcommittee report, “The aggregate deposits in the Pinochet accounts at Riggs ranged from $4 to $8 million at a time.... Riggs account managers took actions consistent with helping Mr. Pinochet to evade legal proceedings seeking to discover and attach his bank accounts.... Riggs opened multiple accounts and accepted millions of dollars in deposits from Mr. Pinochet with no serious inquiry into questions regarding the source of his wealth; helped him set up offshore shell corporations and open accounts in the names of those corporations to disguise his control of the accounts; altered the names of his personal accounts to disguise their ownership; transferred $1.6 million from London to the United States while Mr. Pinochet was in detention and the subject of a court order to attach his bank accounts; conducted transactions through Riggs’ own accounts to hide Mr. Pinochet’s involvement in some cash transactions; and delivered over $1.9 million in cashiers checks to Mr. Pinochet in Chile to enable him to obtain substantial cash payments from banks in that country.”

<snip>

The revelations of the activities at Riggs Bank demonstrate how commonplace and extensive criminal activity has become within the American financial and political establishment. Not coincidentally, the bank’s activity has a great deal in common with certain features prominent in the Bush administration: the heavy influence of oil interests, the close ties with the Saudi ruling elite, the funding and support given to dictators and former dictators, including General Pinochet.

The relationship of Riggs to the Bush administration is more than tangential. Riggs owns a money management firm, J. Bush & Co., operated by Jonathan Bush, the brother of George H.W. Bush and the current president’s uncle.

Jonathan Bush played a very important role in helping find investors for the various failed oil businesses that George W. Bush ran before he began his career in politics. Jonathan Bush also helped raise money for George H.W. Bush and is a former chair of the New York Republican State Finance Committee. In 2000, he was briefly named president and CEO of Riggs Investment Management Company (RIMCO), a wholly owned subsidiary of Riggs Bank.

While Jonathan Bush appears not to have been directly involved in the Saudi, Pinochet or Equatorial Guinean accounts, his position at Riggs is an indication of the close ties between the bank and the Bush family.

Moreover, Riggs is owned by the Allbritton family, a Texas family with close ties to the Republican establishment. Joe Allbritton, the former head of Riggs who bought the bank in the mid-1970s, is a friend of the Bush family. His son, Robert Allbritton, is the current chairman and CEO.

...more...
http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=2974


Bank Investigated for Pinochet's Fraud
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=712043

[JimmyJazz]

35. amazing how whenever there is a scandal

the name "Bush" is never far behind. I had no idea. Thanks for the enlightenment.

[MisterP]

36. Brazil, Zaire, Liberia, Nigeria, South Africa, Indonesia, Argentina,

Paraguay, Bolivia...
on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on

[yardwork]

37. Welcome to DU, 101er

In the list of brutal dictators the U.S. put in power and/or supported for years, remember Saddam Hussein.

And don't forget Osama bin Laden, whom we trained and armed.

Karma's a bitch, ain't it.

[JimmyJazz]

38. thanks for the welcome

the list of our friendly dictatorships is way too extensive, but too few know about it. I'm sorry that I didn't learn this stuff in public school. Apparently, I was a bit busy learning to "duck and cover."

[JimmyJazz]

39. I would just like to say that I am proud to be an American

I am so very proud that this thread got a "blaze" - that learning about what happened 31 years ago in another country is important to some people in this country. Where are our voices in everyday society? Who are you and why don't I know you? Why is this not our reputation? Americans, on the whole, are educated, thoughtful and sensitive (ooooh, bad word) people. Why can't we let the rest of world in on this? Instead, we come across as a society of "cowboys." Mmmmmhhhh. Wonder why? Thanks for letting me vent.

[Judi Lynn]

43. Kicking for people who've not seen this yet.

:kick: :kick: :kick:

[Judi Lynn]

44. Tuesday marks the anniversary Victor Jara was tortured and murdered

by the U.S. supported military coup regime headed by Augusto Pinochet in 1973.



Just wanted to note the occassion. This is the first year I've ever even known he existed. Ran across it by accident in the internet.

We had a blackout on people who didn't support the hard right_wing in South America in those days. Amazing, isn't it? How would you imagine THAT happened?

I have a feeling the posture in the photo tells us he wasn't far from being killed when the photo was taken. I hope in our lifetimes the world will see a far better day than this.

[JimmyJazz]

45. JudiLyn: I thought you might like this...(sorry for the length)

Oh! Mama, Mama look there!
Your children are playing in that street again
Don't you know what happened down there?
A youth of fourteen got shot down there
The Kokane guns of Jamdown Town
The killing clowns, the blood money men
Are shooting those Washington bullets again

As every cell in Chile will tell
The cries of the tortured men
Remember Allende, and the days before,
Before the army came
Please remember Victor Jara,
In the Santiago Stadium,
Es verdad - those Washington Bullets again

And in the Bay of Pigs in 1961,
Havana fought the playboy in the Cuban sun,
For Castro is a colour,
Is a redder than red,
Those Washington bullets want Castro dead
For Castro is the colour...
...That will earn you a spray of lead

For the very first time ever,
When they had a revolution in Nicaragua,
There was no interference from America
Human rights in America

Well the people fought the leader,
And up he flew...
With no Washington bullets what else could he do?

'N' if you can find a Afghan rebel
That the Moscow bullets missed
Ask him what he thinks of voting Communist...
...Ask the Dalai Lama in the hills of Tibet,
How many monks did the Chinese get?
In a war-torn swamp stop any mercenary,
'N' check the British bullets in his armoury
Que?
Sandinista!

--the clash

[Judi Lynn]

46. I had no idea they were this intense, and focused.

Haven't heard this song, 101er. It's excellent. I've got to look it up now, it would be very interesting hearing it.

Thanks for opening a door for those of us who aren't familiar with the Clash. Really helpful. They're surely not wasting their time if they're taking on such serious matters. :hi: :hi:

[JimmyJazz]

47. The song is great. It has a fantastic marimba sound

Joe was a pretty intense guy - very smart and well read (as in Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, Das Kapital, etc). He considered himself a socialist and these views are reflected in the music.

Someone once wrote that the movie Apocolypse Now should have been called: One Night In Joe Strummer's Head. I couldn't agree more. He wrote a very poignant song called "Straight to Hell" about the plight of AmerAsian children left behind by American soldiers in Viet Nam.

He lived 20 years ahead of his time and died 20 years before it. :cry:

[JimmyJazz]

48. Didn't mean to get so far off the thread - mea culpa

[Judi Lynn]

49. You're enthusiastic. You've related info. about someone who was

actually interesting, and well-read. Sounds as if he's taken the time to study and think a lot more than people who are easily distracted. Sounds as if he has real strenth of character.

It's not gone, it's just scarce. You always remember it when you see it in someone.

[JimmyJazz]

50. back at ya, dear

:yourock:

Thanks for all your support. You've been great BTW: can you tell me how to paste a picture? Don't be too hard on me - When I went to school, I learned that one day, at the rate technology was progressing, a computer could fit into a small room!

[Judi Lynn]

51. Hi! I'm not skilled in computer language, but maybe this can help

Find the photo you're interested in grabbing, point your mouse at it, and right click it. A box will drop down with "properties" listed at the bottom. Left click "properties." A "properties" box will appear, showing an "address(URL)" line near the middle.

Using your left click, highlight or drag across the address, then right click on "copy," and go to the message box at D.U. where you're posting, right click on "paste."


Don't you hate to see a mass-murderer cry?
Poor, poor Pinochet.

(In lieu of using "copy" and "paste" clicks, you can instead press "Ctrl" key on your keyboard, and "c", to copy, then for "paste," press "Ctrl" key and "v." It'll get the same result.")

You'll find tons of photos you might enjoy posting from Google images. They have an astonishing number.

[JimmyJazz]

54. sorta like this????

This is only a test. Then, I'll get back on point. I tried to find some additional photos of Pinochet or Victor Jara, but the ones you posted already are terrific. I did find one of both Allende and Pinochet taken shortly before the coup, but when I went to copy it, it said "address not found."

I do want to keep an eye on these proceedings. Justice has been denied the Chilean people for way too long.

[Judi Lynn]

56. Way to go! Now that was fast.

If you want to stagger them, having several, you can put a pair of these < > with the word center in the middle on one side of your address photo, and /center inside another pair of these [] on the other side. Also if you want to run several across the page horizontally, you can simply put a space between the addresses and it'll work that way, too.

It's really a way to add depth to a subject sometimes. Peoples' faces reveal a TON about their character, intelligence, or lack thereof.

[JimmyJazz]

59. thanks - you've been most helpful and very supportive

let's keep an eye on the news of Pinochet, no?

[Zynx]

52. This was one of the greatest tragedies to democracy in history.

We will never forget it.

[seemslikeadream]

55. Scattered violence erupts as Chile marks Pinochet coup anniversary

Scattered violence erupts as Chile marks Pinochet coup anniversary
01:15 PM EDT Sep 14
EDUARDO GALLARDO

SANTIAGO, Chile (AP) - A peaceful march marking the 31st anniversary of the military coup led by general Augusto Pinochet Saturday ended in clouds of tear gas and smoke from firebombs as police clashed with masked demonstrators.

Police Gen. Hector Henriquez said 25 protesters were detained and six officers were wounded. One officer was seen bleeding after being hit in the face with a rock.

Still, the violence was less than in previous years and the commemoration ceremonies were markedly low key.

But police said stepped-up security would be maintained, as past violence has broken out at night in slums around Santiago.

The country's top political leaders held working sessions as on any normal day. The military attended private religious ceremonies behind closed doors in their barracks.

more
http://www.cbc.ca/cp/world/040911/w091168.html


BOB DYLAN
'Chile Benefit'
Felt Forum NYC 1974

[Judi Lynn]

57. Seemslikeadream, your post mentioned the Santiago slums.

First I've heard of it. WE really live in a vacuum here, don't we?

Thank you for the article. Isn't it great knowing Pinochet spent the day in peace?

Excellent Dylan photo, too.

[JimmyJazz]

60. that cartoon pretty much sums it all up

I have become very bitter listening to pundits, media, Republicans, etc. talk about how the world is better off without Saddam. The world would have been so much better off without Pinochet, but the American government decided the natural resources of Chile should belong to American Companies and not to the Chilean people.

Also, we demonize Ernesto "Che" Guevera for his actions in the overthrow of Batista with Castro, but he would not have been politically active but for the fact that he visited Chile and saw what American corporations (namely Anaconda Copper Mines) were doing to that country and its peoples. He also saw, up close, the CIA backed over throw of a democratically elected government in Guatamala. These imperialistic actions of the US government are what spurned him to action.