Cheney Speaks on School Killings ("Russia got his") -NYT

[Rose Siding]

OTTUMWA, Iowa, Sept. 13 - Mr. Cheney said Monday that last week's massacre at a school in the southern Russian town of Beslan had caused some foreign leaders who have been skeptical of America's aggressive foreign policy to reconsider.

"Some of our European friends have been somewhat ambivalent," Mr. Cheney told a town hall meeting inside an airport hangar on the outskirts of this small town in southeast Iowa. He mentioned no nations by name.

Some foreign countries have probably been thinking that "if they kept their heads down," their citizens would not suffer terrorist attacks, the vice president said. "Well, Russia got his anyway," he said.

As a result, Mr. Cheney said, "people are reassessing now" whether they should shed their ambivalence and openly support Mr. Bush's policies.

second article on the page
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/14/politics/campaign/14bush.html?ex=1252814400&en=23ca0da7fbe7e4a0&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland

[troublemaker]

1. He's actually crazy...

[Rose Siding]

3. Oh, yes. He's quite mad....

Surely this rivals "bring 'em on"

[yardwork]

32. It's even worse.

"Either join our war or you'll get it."

Un-effing-believable.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

2. What a fucking asshat!

Not to mention his comments directly contradict Bush telling Putin to use diplomacy with the Chechens...this man is a grade A asswipe.

[Cocoa]

56. exactly

he's neglecting that Bush and the neocons are siding with the child killers.

[El Supremo]

4. Man, are we sure that they didn't take out his heart rather than put in...

a pacemaker and stint?

[LisaL]

5. Sure looks like it.

WTF is he talking about? Russia and Chechnya has been at it for years. Didn't US want Russia and Chechnya to communicate? And now he is saying Russia got his for not being tough enough? Is he delusional?

[Ilsa]

27. I understand your thinking, but

the people Cheney is talking at are drinking this up and don't know shit about what you said (you're alot better informed than they are). For all they know, this is their big "wake-up call" or 9-11. I've seen that written by right-wingers. They have no memory or information about any serious previous attacks or what they are even fighting about.

[BootinUp]

6. Cheney should know that foreign media won't

replay him saying terra, terra, terra, over there, like our media did to us. So he might as well give it up. Get a clue Dick!

[sonicx]

7. holy fuck...

maybe cheney knows he's he's gonna kick the bucket soon, so he's calling out people at random.

tommorrow: 'fuck edwards'

[mikehiggins]

8. Possibly the most despicable man alive

What part of Bush's base was that comment aimed at? The baby killers?

Nothing can come even close to the callous inhumanity of this crack.

Somebody should check Dick's meds.

[NMDemDist2]

9. how long has Russia been fighting Chechen terrorist/insurgents?

IIRC it;s been the better part of 10 years

timeline here... http://www.infoplease.com/spot/chechnyatime1.html


and this shows ambivalence how exactly? and what the bloody hell does it have to do with chimpy's "policies" :mad:

[Just Me]

10. Since your freakin' BULLY stance has INCREASED terrorist activities,

,...I'd be reassessing you,...

,...you total neo-fascist pig,...don't give a crap about democracy or equality or justice or freedom,...passionate about corporatist power,...per the Father of Fascism, Mussolini.

Let us, as human beings, "assess" our enemies. Who is FOR humanity or AGAINST us.

The greatest human evil is the wielding of power over the vulnerable.

Hmpf.

Who would that be?

[FightingIrish]

11. Not only is there nothing he won't do

to win this election, there is nothing he won't exploit

[grytpype]

12. What a sick fucker this guy is.

Seriously, he has to be one of the most evil men to hold national office. Jeebus, what did we do to deserve this guy?????

"Sign up for Jesus W. Bush's War on Terra or you will die."

Jesus.... fuck!

[LisaL]

14. Well, if you sign up for J.W. Bush's War on Terra

more of you will die. How is Bush's War on Terra saving anyone from dying, I would like to ask Cheney. Geez!

[shanti]

63. and he knows

that HE'D never have been elected (or even selected!) pres, but is the "brains" behind *. most people are turned off by him.

[leesa]

13. This is exactly the message the Bush Crime Family planned when they

set up this Russian 9-11.

Remember, not ONE Chechnyan was found among the dead "terrorists".

Who benefited from this? Cheney states the answer to that question in the first sentence.

Will we wait for them to pull a 9-11 off on us again?? Who's next? First Spain, now Russia.

[Geo55]

15. INSANITY

...repeating the same action in anticipation of a different outcome.

THEY GOT THEIR'S...
NEXT ?

[Dr Fate]

16. But unlike Kerry he gets in the papers with these "outrageous" statements.

Kerry needs to start making some "outrageous" statements of his own.

[Just Me]

24. I agree. Kerry has "facts" on his side. Time to throw those out,...

,...FULL METAL JACKET!!!

This election is a war between the best interests of a whole country against the privileged.

The experiment of democracy is at stake.

[Swamp Rat]

17. He's an alien lizard!

[Pachamama]

41. Yikes! What makes that image so scary is not the "Lizard Green" or the

fact that this is an actual photograph "given the Swamp Rat touch" but rather that is an actual expression and photo of Dick....What a mean angry evil bastard he is!

:scared:

[Tangledog]

18. Should that be "Russia got hit"?

Cheney's still got a stale kohlrabi where I think I have a heart, but even he probably knows that Russia is a place, not a guy, and it scans a little better with "hit".

[troublemaker]

22. No, nazis think counties are masculine, like Fatherland

Most would have said "she got hit anyway," which is more usual.

[Bridget Burke]

61. Russia is "The Motherland"

Ask any Russian.

[AspenRose]

64. "Mother Russia"

eom

[truthisfreedom]

19. the threat of terror... fear... this is bushco in action.

they make it... we suffer.

[BlueHandDuo]

20. Maybe where he grew up, the phrase "got his"...

...doesn't mean the same thing it means everywhere I've been.

You know, like how some people say "pop" while others call the same thing "soda" -- maybe it's just one of those silly little vocabulary differences, and he didn't really mean those kids deserved to die.

Or maybe I'll wake up and find out the last four years have all just been a bad dream.

Hey, it could happen, right?

[htuttle]

21. Yet the Neocons are supporting the Chechen side?

The Chechens' American friends
http://www.guardian.co.uk/russia/article/0,2763,1299408,00.html

Here's their website:
http://www.peaceinchechnya.org/

Recognize these guys:
William Kristol
Elliott Abrams
Norman Podhoretz
R. James Woolsey
Richard Perle
...and many more
http://www.peaceinchechnya.org/about_members.htm

[reorg]

23. sounds like a threat to me

Reassess your policies towards our activities and objectives in the region or expect to see more of this ...

According to the latest issue of Der Spiegel, "Several children who had escaped recounted that the hostage-takers had been clad in new NATO battle-dresses in the classic camouflage colors. All had been equipped with modern radio sets, newly looking automatic weapons, first-aid kits and compasses."

"Mehrere entkommene Kinder erzählten, die Geiselnehmer hätten neue Nato-Uniformen in den klassischen Tarnfarben getragen. Alle seien mit modernen Funkgeräten, neu aussehenden Automatikwaffen, Erste-Hilfe-Paketen und Kompassen ausgestattet gewesen.

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,316893,00.html

(Okay, adjusting that tinfoil hat now).

[REVOLT823]

25. I wouldn't worry about the tinfoil hat, that sure

as hell sounded like a threat to me. Either you're with us or against us, and if you are against us and an ally, we'll force you to adopt our ways. Resistance is futile. This guy has fucking lost it.

[yardwork]

34. Now you've got me doing it!

Have the Chechens ever attacked a school of children before?

Americans tortured children in Abu Ghraib. The similarity between Abu Ghraib and what happened at this school really bothers me.

Now I'm feeling extremely upset. BushCo has no soul. I wouldn't put anything, anything beyond them. Would they actually do this?

[Pachamama]

44. A line was crossed-innoncence lost- I feel as if this "attack" was a chasm

a shift, a sign of something coming....Not that terrorists have ever had a "conscience" but I felt a deep shudder in my soul when this attack on the children of Beslan happened. I felt as if a terrible sign of things to come was marked with this event....almost a preview for what is to come....There are now NO LIMITS...interesting points on our torture in Abu Ghraib....something just isn't right....and your right, BushCo has no soul.....

And I think the final answer to your question....YES, they would.

[Pachamama]

43. Interesting article (I speak fluent German)....No Tin Foil Hat needed....

There is a lot of weird and inconsistent details about the Beslan attack and the supposed "Arab" connection and the fact that the Russian gov't refuses to release much information and also that they were so well equipped etc....Also, what's the deal with some of the Terrorists having gotten away?

A lot of things here don't compute or pass the smell test....Meanwhile Cheney's comments are just getting more and more outrageous....he is a sick MOFO...

[Swamp Rat]

48. Actually, he really normal...

... for an alien lizard.:hi:


In the meantime, we have Ivan the terrible to deal with.:scared:

[Thor_MN]

26. I so want to go to DC in November to visit my brother and be able

to stand in front of the White House on November 3rd with a sign that says "No, go fuck YOURSELF, Dick!!!"

[northernsoul]

59. SKOL, Thor!

Love the sign idea!

[steely]

28. His statements pander to the repugs.

Trouble is, he (and they) believes them.

[Bread and Circus]

29. That is an outrageously crazy and insensitive statement.

That's outright amazing.

[fortyfeetunder]

30. No Dick, you are going to get yours soon

November 3 when you are looking for another job.

[agincourt]

31. I'm glad he's the VP,

and not McCain. Not only does he have a mouth full of shoe leather, he's also dumb. Russia has been probably tougher on terrorism than any country. My God, they leveled one of their own cities to kill terrorists.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

33. Makes me wonder

what role he played in that awful scene..

[Lizzie Borden]

36. There ya go!

[CHIMO]

35. By Any Means Necessary

In Qatar, two Defense Ministry intelligence agents were convicted of the murder in February of former separatist Chechen president Zelimkhan Yandarbiyev. They are now serving life sentences there. But this mishap may not stop further such attacks. The United States has given refuge to Ilyas Akhmadov, the former Chechen foreign minister, while Britain has granted asylum to Akhmed Zakayev.

Moscow has angrily demanded their extradition -- and if this is refused, may resort to murder. As Ivanov has said, "A preemptive strike may involve any action," implying that the Kremlin now views assassination as a legitimate tactic anywhere in the world.

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2004/09/14/008.html

[jayctravis]

37. I hate thinking this...

but I keep thinking how horribly convienient this was to give the administration a "told ya so!"

[CHIMO]

38. In The Old Days

This would be grounds for war.

[Hobarticus]

39. Is this fucker actually GLOATING???

Hell hasn't a hole hot and deep enough for this ghoul.

Innocent children are dead, you evil bastard. Try not to dance too heavily on their fresh graves.

[fishnfla]

40. "and i made damned sure of it"

"and if you dont vote the right way, come November, I'll make you pay too"

[6000eliot]

42. This guy is evil!

What a fucking scumbag!

[Bundbuster]

45. PNAC...PNAC...PNAC

[Guaranteed]

46. What...a...fucking...piece of SHIT!!!!!!!!! nt

[Guaranteed]

47. Yup...those kids got theirs!! nt

[Capt_Nemo]

49. Soon, Cheney's Caucasus pipeline "is gonna get it"

'cause Beslan has given the russians the excuse (much like the fictitious Saddam/911
link).
And there is nothing he can do to prevent it 'cause the troops
are glued to the Iraqi flypaper.
That is why he can't contain his fury at the russians.
Well, Dick, I have 3 words for you: Get over it!

[moondust]

50. Spain was once a bellicose Bush follower.

"He got his anyway" didn't he Dick?

[Dawgs]

51. Bullshit!! These Mother Fuckers...

keep saying the world is a safer place. What world? There seem's to be at least one terrorist attack a day, and that doesn't even include Iraq, but the world is a safer place. I guess as long as there is no attack in the United States, then that's all that matters.

Son's of Bitches!!

[wicket]

52. Yes, the children really deserved it! /sarcasm

What a sick bastard!!!! :grr: :grr:

[kegler14]

53. Somebody on NPR made the point this morning

that Russia is the only place in the world where we actually know there are terrorists AND weapons mass destruction, and yet we're practically ignoring the situation. Bush is acting like everything's hunky dory in that country. Gotta avenge his daddy instead of paying attention to the real danger spots.

[moondust]

55. Bush: "We are striking terrorists abroad..."

"...so we do not have to face them here at home."

Is that so?

Perhaps that somebody on NPR could tell Bush where the terrorists and WMD actually are and save the country a lot of embarrassment.

[Catfight]

54. This is despicable, then the terrorist have won under Cheney's world. nt

[Curtland256]

57. Oh my freakin' God...

That guy is a monster. What a heartless dick. Ugh... I hate him, I really do. Go to hell Cheney.

[Bandit]

58. This may never have happened if America had not gone on a

Rampage. People are thinking it(the end) may be closer than we think so better act now. I think America has started a major decline in civilization with it's aggression. Things like this are bound to start springing up all over now.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

60. I can't find that article ANYWHERE on that page

Help???

[CornField]

66. The NYT has pulled the article. n/t

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

62. Again that article is not there

I need that article. WHERE is it? WaPo is carrying a watered-down version, without the "Russia got his" line and I need that.

Anyone?

[CornField]

67. The article is gone -- anyone have a screen shot (cached copy?)

Here's a screen shot of a Google news search -- shows snippet of the article including the "got his" comment:

[seventhson]

65. The way this went down I believe Cheney was probably behind it

The people went into the school on orders from higher ups and even killed therir own who refused to kill children. It was intended to start a war, according to the hosatge takers.

Qui bono?

Who benefits?

When Mad Dog Cheney says: "He got his" he is referring to Potin "getting his" for not backing the Iraq war,

When someone like Cheney sayds "he got his" he means - he got what he deserves for crossing us.

I think Cheney and his bastards were behind this.

Black Hand. Nazis. Neocons.Using fundamentalists and fanatics as surrogates.