US pounds Iraqi cities

[CHIMO]

US bombers have launched new attacks on the Sunni Muslim city of Falluja and the mainly Shia Baghdad suburb of Sadr City.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/527E1035-1863-4BE8-93E5-CD100517F97A.htm

[skooooo]

1. Winning the hearts and minds.

[slojim240]

32. The Likudnization of the American military.

That IDF has nothing on us.

[LastDemStanding]

2. I just hope they are hitting the terrorists only

I hope all the innocents moved well away from the terrorists to allow these bombings to only hit the guilty terrorists.

[pretzel4gore]

3. if they're iraqis, they aint terrs

terrorism would be the actions of the invaders...

[LastDemStanding]

4. There are no terrorists in Iraq?

That rubs against all I have heard from our Dem leaders. Where do you get your news?

[w4rma]

6. semantics (nt)

[LastDemStanding]

8. I doubt the families of the Iraqi police and National Guard sign ups

that were blown to hell by the non-terrorist Iraqi non-terrorists while they waited in line to sign up to serve their country for democracy give a rats ass about semantics when their brave loved ones are dead.

[Matilda]

17. The responsibility belongs to Bush,

not the individual soldiers who carry out orders.

But invading another country on a false pretext, and bombing the hell
out of its cities and totally destroying its infrastructure,
torturing prisoners and subverting the democratic process for its
own ends, yeah - that qualifies as terrorism. Ask the Iraqis
who are suffering loss of their homes, their health, their limbs
and their loved ones.

[jdj]

23. What the hell are you talking about?

What the hell are you talking about?

[sandnsea]

24. Don't confuse terrorists with Iraqi fighters

They aren't the same thing. Fallujah and Sadr City have nothing to do with terrorism. They are people fighting for their own political futures in Iraq.

Terrorists are now in Iraq, probably helping any group who is fighting Americans, but they aren't the Iraqi people. If we got more than a 10 second sound byte for news, people might understand the complexities better. Damned lie box, I wish they'd just stop broadcasting "news".

[The_Casual_Observer]

25. Bud, like it or not you are witnessing a bloody insurrection

And nobody knows who is doing what or why they are doing it. It isn't as simple as good guys and bad guys. Your post is very simple minded and naive.

[Zhade]

28. "Our" leaders. Nice try.

Man, you guys are busy in here tonight.

[leftchick]

29. Two Terrorists from Falluja....

bombed on Sunday night as they slept....




"for our freedoms"

[LastDemStanding]

5. Are all invaders terrorists?

What about when we invaded Germany to eliminate Hitler? Were we terrorists then?

[Charlie Brown]

7. The Soviets did most of that

and all of the surviving members of the Wermacht were either shot or sent to perish in the Gulag. I would call that terrorism.

[indie_voter]

9. Not Usenet but boy that was quick. Godwin's law is alive and well.

Google it if you don't know what I am talking about.

[GHOSTDANCER]

18. No see.............. if use economic and political strongholds

to get what you want( Cheap labor and free Resources ) It's called Democracy. If you use a carbomb it's called terrorism.

But more to the point There are no terrorist in Iraq. These people didn't have anything to do with 9/11, They don't have connections to al qeada and for the most part they hated Saddam as much as the rest of the world did.

[mbperrin]

20. All invaders who attack a country which has done nothing to them

are terrorists, yes.

I do believe Herr Hitler had offended a few folks in a very real way by the time the US got in.

Iraq had nothing to do with 911 and everything to do with PNAC's plan to control the Middle East.

[SOS]

37. Does Pearl Harbor ring a bell?

nt

[G_j]

10. car bombs killing civilians

is terror, plain and simple.

There is terrorism in Iraq, at the top of the list to it's great shame is the US, but that doesn't excuse other atrocities against the population. Terror is terror.

[pretzel4gore]

14. obviously, just don't forget the chain of consequences

that ended up with us where we are now (the mediasluts would love us to, hell they'll spend billions convincing history began when bushwaco was 'elected')...mind you, blowing up innocent people is a nasty thing under any circumstances: doing it from 6500 feet is worse, in many opinions, cuz it's gutless...

[G_j]

15. I completely agree

The US is to blame for the bloodbath.
Just keep in my mind there are many factions involved with various agendas. There have been Mosques blown up and religious leaders assassinated. The country is verging on civil war. But after plunging the country into violence and chaos the only thing the US can do to improve the situation at all is to stop the fucking bombing and get the hell out.
Next step after that should be international war crimes tribunals for Bush and pals.

[coalition_unwilling]

35. Don't forget U.S. battleships off the coast of Beirut in '82

Firing high-explosive shells into civilian residential areas.

Brought to you by Reagan. (Cheney was his Sec of Defense, I believe, and Rumsfailed was his special envoy to Baghdad to restore diplomatic ties with Saddam Hussein.)

[mike_c]

13. you must be kidding...

...or are are you so naive as to believe that all those tens of thousands of dead Iraqis were all "terrorists?"

[are_we_united_yet]

16. "Hit the terrorists only." -sigh-

And folks wonder why W is still a viable candidate in this Presidential race?

[BrendaStarr]

19. Pictures of some of those terrorists

you can take a look at some of those "terrorists" that Bush is maiming and killing below. (latest from al Jazeera)


7 year old Sadr city


Another evil terrorist posing as child (In Fallujah this time as are the rest below.)


And worse a terrorist posing as a mother! For Shame!





This is why I call title many of my posts on mixed boards "Bush is a baby killer". Because it's true.

[Tommy_Douglas]

38. It's a fact...

That smart bombs blessed with holy water only seek out and destroy evil beings. /sarcasm

[John_H]

21. The smart bombs aren't as smart as they think, but they sure make boeing $

" A Boeing official explains: "JDAM is not GPS guided, it is GPS aided, and the IMU on there is so good that once it has data transferred from the aircraft, it is extremely accurate with GPS denied." CEP (margin of error)using the IMU is said to be about twice that with GPS assistance, which is acceptable for larger munitions, ...

Translation: If the GPS doesn't work we just use bombs big enough to dismember anybody within a few humdered meters anyway.

"The US Air Force, Navy, and Marine Corps originally planned to acquire a total of over 87,000 JDAM kits from Boeing, with total program cost of over $2 billion USD. Over 30,000 had been built into the fall of 2002, and a total of 70,000 have been funded for delivery into 2004. The US military has been so enthusiastic about the weapon that their total buy may reach about 250,000, and there has been talk of eliminating unguided bombs entirely from the inventory. Unit price for a JDAM kit is about $18,000 USD in 1999 dollars, though original estimates had set it at $40,000 USD.

Every bomb chimp drops in iraq about 20 average senior citizens could be recieve full prescription drug coverage for one year. That's, what, 5 million people for the full billion dollar bomb buy. And that's just one weapon system.

[gottaB]

26. "circular error probability," links about smart bombs

A website that contains the passages you quoted: http://www.vectorsite.net/twbomba.html

Smart Bomb Wiki, and circular area probability defined:

Circular Error Probability (CEP) is defined as the radius of a circle into which a missile, bomb, or projectile will land at least half the time.

Intro to smart bombs from Globalsecurity.org.

Smart Bombs, Dumb Targets

Why "Smart Bombs" don't end friendly fire

Why Bombing Can Go Wrong

BBC Factfile: Smart Bombs

[saigon68]

30. I agree but the toothless repukes

Love to watch explosions of ragheads killed on TV.

I was in a sports bar the other night, and there was a lot of approval for the latest video camera strikes on TV.. It was like the Packers just scored a touch down.

Humanity was lacking thats for sure

[coalition_unwilling]

36. Did you speak out?

Or did anyone there speak out?

[saigon68]

39. I asked several if they ever were in the service.

When none of them responded I told them I had been and that it isn't all fun and games. I don't think they liked the remark--- I could never get them to see it our way--- It would have led to a fight--- don't argue with a drunk.

[coalition_unwilling]

40. Totally understand. (I've never been in service either.)

I think you said exactly the right thing; think of it as a calm pond and you're throwing a rock or two in (disturbing the dominant narrative). Who knows where the ripples will wind up?

Bravo!

[mzmolly]

11. *sigh*

:(

[dogman]

12. Those freedom haters will love democracy if it kills them.

They should just feel the love of B$$$ and submit like almost half of this country.

[NVMojo]

22. Karma will hit us

just wait...

[aaronbees]

27. My fear...

exactly ...

[leftchick]

31. AP:U.S. Jets Pound Militant Positions in Iraq

with their pro-military headline as usual...:puke:

<snip>
The American attack took place before dawn in the Sadr City neighborhood, where residents said explosions lit up the night sky for hours, leaving a trail of mangled vehicles, damaged buildings and shards of glass. At least two children wrapped in bloodstained bandages could be seen lying in hospital beds and one man suffered burns from head to toe.


Dr. Qassem Saddam of the Imam Ali hospital said the strikes killed at least five people and wounded 46 — including 15 women and nine children. The U.S. military said the claim of such high casualties was "suspect."


"Early indications are that injuries to a large group of people as a result of this engagement did not occur," the military said in a statement. However, the military said it was opening an internal investigation to determine what happened.


Lt. Col. Jim Hutton, a U.S. Army spokesman, said insurgents also fired three mortar rounds at a nearby Army base, but the shells fell short and exploded in a civilian neighborhood. It was not clear if any of the casualties in Sadr City were from the insurgents' shells.

[Gregorian]

33. MURDERERS IN THE WHITE HOUSE!

They're mudering a nation of people, in our name. And we are paying them to do it, with our money.

Waiting for an election is far to kind of us. Do we really want to even have the slightest chance these criminals can continue?

[Bo]

34. The only way outta there is to leave

its a vietnam