Pope to publish his 'last testament'

[emad]

The Times
By Richard Owen

THE 84-year-old Pope is to publish a book on European history and the future of humanity. Memory and Identity is aimed at a worldwide audience rather than just the Roman Catholic faithful and is certain to become a bestseller when published next year.

It is described as an “autobiographical, philosophical and historical reflection on the horrors of the 20th century and the Pope’s hopes for the new millennium”.

Vatican officials said that it was “a direct and personal address to the men and women of our time”.

The book, which inevitably will be seen as the Pope’s “last testament”, will be his fourth autobiographical volume, after the 1994 bestseller Crossing the Threshold of Hope, Gift and Mystery (1997), a reflection on the 50th anniversary of his ordination, and Arise, Let Us Go, published to coincide with his 84th birthday in May.
More:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,173-1297675,00.html

More Vatican fiction to whitewash over what the CIA, MI6, Mossad etc hold in their security/intelligence files on JP2, the P2 Lodge, Banco Ambrosiano....and what is to be heard at last in evidence at the Roberto Calvi trial in Rome, 22 years after his murder in London....
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[Wat_Tyler]

1. Good God! What are you, the Vatican Press Officer?

:D

[Beware the Beast Man]

2. You don't like the Pope, do you?

:shrug:

[DemBones DemBones]

4. Good call. nt

[emad]

6. Not much between him and Poppy.....

It's their personal politics that really suck

[Beware the Beast Man]

7. As a Catholic, I agree that there needs to be sweeping reform

But I'm not ready to give up on my faith just yet. But I would like to see a cleanup of the corruption in the Vatican.

[DemBones DemBones]

13. The older I get, the more I believe that if you get at least ten

or twenty people working together, there will be some sort of corruption. Corruption increases with number of people in anprganization, too. That's not to say we shouldn't oppose corruption, just that it seems to be a natural part of the human condition.

[MsMagnificent]

40. Agreed -- but

I do feel that this Pope has stuck much more to sheparding his flock in terms of preparation of our meeting Christ at Judgement;
than scouring 'corruption' out of an institution where corrpution has held reigh over at least one century.

IMO of course :)

When you look at his deeds (and words -- but his deeds are so impressive) they've invariably been towards the metaphysical and doing the right thing -- aka the Golden Rule.
And forgiveness and love.

I may not like Ratzinger. I may not like lot's of other religio-political operatives in the Vatican; but I do very much like this kind (but not infallible!) Pope.

You are free, of course, to disagree :)

[Minstrel Boy]

3. Where would we be today if

Pope John Paul I had been allowed to serve his natural term?

Once he got his hands on the list of P2 members in the Curia and resolved to sweep out the corruption of the Vatican Bank, he didn't survive a month, thanks to Licio Gelli and friends.

[emad]

5. In God's Name, by David Yallop....

http://www.yallop.co.uk/in_god's_name.htm

A great read about how JP1 was murdered

[BuddhaGirl]

9. link didn't work for me

eom

[emad]

12. Sorrry...it says:

Denounced by the Vatican.... Acclaimed around the world.... Vindicated by new evidence. Over 6,000,000 copies sold worldwide.

In God's Name has been at the top of the bestseller lists all over the world. It contains some of the most explosive and dramatic revelations ever published about the internal affairs of the Vatican.During the late evening of September 28th or the early morning of September 29th, 1978, Pope John Paul 1, Albino Luciani, known as the smiling Pope, died only thirty-three days after his election.

David Yallop began his investigations into his death at the request of certain individuals resident in Vatican City who were disturbed by a cover-up of the true circumstances surrounding the discovery of the Pope's body. It is his conviction that murder was the fate of Albino Luciani and he presents this evidence in this enthralling book.

Over three years continual and exhaustive research, David Yallop uncovered a chain of corruption that linked leading figures in financial, political, criminal and clerical circles around the world in a conspiracy of awesome proportions. To this day the central questions raised in In God's Name remain unanswered and the frightening accusations still undisputed.

Reviews:

'Fanciful and absurd'

THE VATICAN

'A thriller without an ending... he has surely proved that there is a case to answer'

THE GUARDIAN

'A vast amount

[Matilda]

10. Pretty amazing book. Quite a while since I read it, but I remember a lot.

It had me feeling certain at the end that John Paul I was murdered.

It certainly didn't say much for the integrity of the Vatican's
financial officials, they were involved in a lot of shady dealings.

If they didn't actually murder John Paul, I do believe they let him
die. Very creepy.

[emad]

15. The broken Cross by Piers Compton (RIP)

Makow - Is the
Pope a Catholic?
'The Broken Cross' by Piers Compton
By Henry Makow, PhD
2-22-4
On New Years Day 2004 Pope John Paul II called for a "new world order... based on the goals of the United Nations." http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/01/01/pope.ny.ap/

When a world leader uses this terminology, it can only mean one thing. He is a part of the Luciferian conspiracy to create a totalitarian world government.

According to Piers Compton, a former Catholic priest, the Papacy was actually subverted by the Illuminati in 1958 when John XXIII became Pope. This was the culmination of a 200-year campaign to infiltrate and destroy the Catholic Church.

Piers Compton was the Literary Editor of the Catholic Weekly "The Universe" for 14 years. He documents his claims in "The Broken Cross," (1981) a book that is almost impossible to find because it was mysteriously withdrawn a few weeks after its release. Compton traces the modern phase of the Luciferian Conspiracy to AdamWeishaupt who established the Illuminati on May 1, 1776. " was backed financially, as are most if not all anarchistic leaders, by a group of bankers under the House of Rothschild.

It was under their direction that the long range and worldwide plans of the Illuminati were drawn up." (8)
In 1783, the Illuminati assumed control of much of Freemasonry, which secretly coordinated the revolutionary movement (Liberalism, Socialism, and Communism.) According to David Bay, "secret societies like the "Skull and Bones" have always functioned as Satan's church, as the only way to pass the baton from generation to generation." http://www.cuttingedge.org/ce1089.html

The Illuminati regarded the Catholic Church as their chief obstacle and marked it for ruin. In 1818, their Italian lodge issued a set of "Permanent Instructions" that included: "We require a Pope for ourselves...to march more securely to the storming of the church...." The goal was "the complete annihilation of the Catholicism and even ultimately of Christianity. If Christianity were to revive, even upon the ruins of Rome, it would, a little late revive and live." (13-14)

More:
http://www.rense.com/general49/cross.htm

[psychopomp]

37. If you do not mind me saying so

On New Years Day 2004 Pope John Paul II called for a "new world order... based on the goals of the United Nations."
--"When a world leader uses this terminology, it can only mean one thing. He is a part of the Luciferian conspiracy to create a totalitarian world government."

I have to say this is nonsense. The UN is built on the idea of sovereign governments coming together in a world body to resolve their problems peacefully. That goal of the UN was never realized because of the Cold War and, since its end, because of a few years of incoherence followed by US recalcitrance.

Other than that, I enjoy your posts very much. Quite interesting, thanks.

Peace to HH the Pope and to all of us.

[Minstrel Boy]

23. Very good book. Read it last year.

The P2 Lodge, Vatican Bank and Banco Ambrosiano hijinx is mindbending. It left quite the body count and money trail.

Fascist and P2 Lodge Grandmaster Licio Gelli is an old friend and partner in crime of George HW Bush, and was an honoured guest at Reagan's 1981 inaugural.

[DemBones DemBones]

8. Yeah, and Opus Dei is behind everything

except the things the Illuminati are behind, the things the Freemasons are behind, the things supported by an international Jewish cabal, and everything that's controlled by the BFEE.


Warning: Everything may not be due to conspiracy.

[Matilda]

14. Wouldn't put anything past Opus Dei.

Right-wing fascist idealogues.

[emad]

16. Try telling that to Bob Hanssen, ex-FBI now serving life in the

slammer for espionage. His covert Opus Dei coterie were part of his treachery.

[Beware the Beast Man]

17. But the Papacy created the Illuminati, the LDS church, and the Freemasons!

Jack Chick said so! :eyes:

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0071/0071_01.asp

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0074/0074_01.asp

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0054/0054_01.asp

[emad]

19. This is a good site:

http://www.rense.com/general49/cross.htm

Piers Compton used to live in Marlow, Buckinghamshire just down the road from the Polish Marian Fathers who were involved from 1960-1995 in IRA money laundering, fraud, theft, bankrolling Solidarity merceraries in Poland, and ran childrens' homes in the UK that were closed down in massive sex abuse scandals.

A few weeks after publishing The Broker Cross, Compton was found mysteriously dead at home.

The subsequent police investigation failed to find the killer but MI5 files revealed a D-notice (Ministry of Defense gagging order) autorised by Thatcher.
QED.

[Bridget Burke]

24. You left out the money laundering paedophiles of the IRA.

And the secret daughter of the Duke & Duchess of Windsor. Expect a book any day now.

[DemBones DemBones]

26. Oh, well, if Jack Chick said so,

that changes everything! <sarcasm>

[Minstrel Boy]

27. Nothing reveals ignorance like a lazy recourse to ridicule.

Question: Have you heard of the P2 Lodge?

Do you know its part in modern Italian and Vatican history? It's relationship with the CIA and the global fascist octopus? The "strategy of tension" of the 1970s? The Bologna bombing? Operation Gladio?

Ring a bell?

The names Licio Gelli, Roberto Calvi, Paul Marcinkus, Michele Sindona - mean anything to you?

http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Propaganda_Due
http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2004/08/yellow-cake-and-black-shirts.html
http://www.deepblacklies.co.uk/holy_smoke_mirrors.htm
http://www.deepblacklies.co.uk/operation_gladio.htm
http://www.maebrussell.com/Italy%20Scandals/Masonic%20Lodge%20Scandal%20Shake%20Italian%20Regime.html
http://www.namebase.org/sources/dE.html

[shrike]

29. Actually, no

May mean I'm ignorant, but no, I have never ever heard of these people.

[Minstrel Boy]

32. No, that doesn't mean

you're ignorant.

Now, those who yuk it up at "conspiracy theorists," but are clueless about these people and organizations - those are the truly ignorant.

[DemBones DemBones]

33. How about a lazy recourse to Catholic bashing when any news item

pertaining to Catholicism is in the news?

I am indeed familiar with everything you mention but the veracity of some of the information is questionable. I'm not denying it may be true, simply saying it's not proven at this time.

My objection is that this news item is about the pope's new book but you, as well as the original poster, are bringing up all the scandals you can think of. In all such threads, people jump in and refer to the pope wearing a dress (forgetting that they'd never criticize Arab men for wearing dresses), the Inquisition and the Crusades (shameful, of course, but history is full of shameful events, many having nothing whatsoever to go with Catholicism), pedophiles in the priesthood (never mentioning pedophiles in the rabbinate or the Protestant clergy), Opus Dei, etc., ad nauseam.

In short, DUers act like freepers and pile on in "Catholic" threads.

Catholic DUers repeatedly ask for respect and are denied it. It's as if some want to lose the Catholic vote to the GOP.

[MADem]

38. It isn't justified

...to go after faithful, well meaning Catholics, but it is a knee-jerk reaction based upon all of the child abuse that has come to the fore...and that remains a serious issue. I think there is also a lot of irritation about women's roles, or lack thereof, in many faiths, not just Catholicism, that pushes people's buttons. There's also that sense of little people who are powerless against a wealthy, monolithic organization that does not hear their pleas for change. And in some ways, it's the other side of the Muslim-bashing coin, kinda, sorta. You can thank ole "Crusade George" for throwing a little gasoline on that fire...the baaaastid!

You can pick apart any religion and find something to complain about. Catholics have gone from the Bing Crosby priest to the Predator Pedophile because the administrative arm of the church engaged in a decades-long coverup. It will take a generation or more to regain that trust, if the church can even survive in its present form (I'm betting on big changes once JP2 goes to his reward) and that is the fault of the creepy bastards who facilitated and concealed the abuse.

As for me, I don't care who/where/how people worship. Go for it, enjoy, be happy, whatever floats your boat. I don't like any funding of faith-based stuff by government, or expression of faith in government--and that includes the prayer in the House and Senate--why do we PAY, with our tax dollars, fulltime CHAPLAINS for these bodies? At VERY generous salaries, too! These bums are home in their own districts on Sunday, let them go to their own houses of worship if they need inspiration--why should WE pay for it. I don't like IN GOD WE TRUST on the money, either. Render unto Caesar, and all that. I do get irritated, I will admit, when people try to convert me--I can get very ugly when they refuse to stop, but I usually warn them politely first.

But your best bet is to be dignified, turn the other cheek, and consider the source. The way to change hearts and minds is by example. And someone's opinion is just that, an opinion. It only affects you if you let it.

So long as you don't tell me I am going straight to hell (we're all living in hell this past four years), try to drag me to church or insist that your religion, whatever it may be, is the only one that has value, I have no problem with ANYONE worshipping however they please to help them get through life. Just don't ask me to subsidize it.

For my part, at this stage in my life, I worship faithfully at the Church of Rhett Butler (frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn!) which requires one to maintain a prone position, head on pillow, covers up to the neck, on Sunday mornings. As weecowboy might say, "It's HARD WORK...zzzzzzzzzzzzz!"

Edit--I misspelled "own"--shoulda used spellcheck!

[Beware the Beast Man]

34. "Lazy recourse to ridicule?"

Tell that to emad next time she floods the Lounge with her unwitty "Caption JP2" posts. Sorry, no one's immune to ridicule. Humor is a defense mechanism.
I grow extremely tired here on DU with the very anti-Catholic bias among some, whether it be atheists or otherwise. It seems that every person with an axe to grind with the church has some "expert" opinion or knows "the real story".
I don't defend corruption withing the Church. After all, it is an immense, heirarchical structure that is prone to abuse.

[emad]

39. Unaware that I have ever flooded the DU lounge with anything.

My personal disgust at JP2, The Curia, the Vatican and the whole Catholic hierarchy is focused on their unremitting corruption: financial, legal, moral and ethical.

As a financial journalist working in the UK and European press from the mid-1970s to the present date, I have reported on every scam ever dreamed up by this satanic Mediteranean cult and am far from alone in my condemnation of the distorted house of cards that they have painstakingly built up for the last 2000 years.

The current murder trial of P2 Lodge members in Rome accused of the cold blooded assassination of "God's Banker" Roberto Calvi has taken over 22 years to bring into the open unpalatable Cold War crimes perpetrated with impunity by the Catholic Church in order to silence/whitewash over their huge involvement in the bankrolling of the Nazis and their World War II atrocities. Also the inherent financial corruption of their administration in drug dealing, money laundering, political assasinations and wholesale rape and torture of children.

I am sure DU members are aware of the fact that Bush1 gave immunity from prosecution to Cardinal Marcinkus, the Vatican Bank's chief operating officer during the collapse of Banco Ambrosiano....and that until January this year Roberto Calvi's death had been treated as a suicide, backed up by spurious claims of his 'tendency to get depressed' which Vatican sources claimed led to his untimely death.

This April, City of London Police unearthed what was described as over 70 large boxes of previously undisclosed evidence regarding the way that organised crime ran the Vatican financial empire from the time of the Suez crisis until June 1982 when Calvi was murdered in London.

This new evidence caused an adjournment to the Calvi murder trial as stunned prosecutors sift through the intelligence.

Much of it refers to the paedophile activities of the P2 Lodge, in particular in the childrens' homes and orphanages run by, for instance, the Polish Marian Fathers based in Henley on Thames, Oxfordshire which were eventually closed down after being rented out as brothels to P2 Lodge members. Specific evidence is allegedly focused on paedophile orgies run by the P2 Lodge in conjunction with West Wycombe's Hellfire Club which resulted in death by torture of over a dozen refugee children in the UK in the mid 1960s.

Also implicated is their hiring of child prostitutes in Paris, Milan, Toledo and Madrid, Vienna and Amsterdam during the 1970s to service the lust of Catholic prelates now high up in the Vatican hierarchy and shielded from prosecution by deals struck by the Curia when Poppy was VP under Reagan. Also the current crop of top US and UK politicians now enjoying favoured public office who were paid by the P2 Lodge to protect them in the future.

But what really focuses my disgust is this man, Archbishop Stanislaw Dziwisz:

seen here beside JP2 who has promoted him way above any professional abilities or skills that the man has and who has consistently shielded him from proseuction for child rape, torture and murder of the refugee children in the UK.

That makes JP2 fair game as far as I am concerned.

EDIT: ridiculing JP2 for the beatification of Kaiser Karl, the Austrian emperor who allegedly cured a nun's varicose veins to earn him a sainthood? A man who gassed over 70,000 people during WWI and now is in the fast lane for sainthood? A man with no other saintly attributes except the coffers of rabid rich Austrians hellbent on expiating their own criminal pasts?

Come on!

[Donkeyboy75]

11. Do you have a switch in your head that flips on

whenever you see an article about the Pope, Vatican or Catholicism that spurs you into action?

Just askin'

[emad]

18. The P2 Lodge, Banco Ambrosiano, Vatican paedophile cover-ups

the Pius XII connection to the Nazis, etc were among the criminal topics I used to report on as a journo, have written on as an author and have testified as a witness.

Kinda personal I suppose.

[Matilda]

20. With the inquiry into the death of Roberto Calvi being re-opened

in London, a lot of this stuff is likely to surface again.

[emad]

22. The Rome trial was adjourned in April this year when the City

of London Police found 70 boxes of new files/evidence going back to 1978 re Calvi, moneylaundering accomplices, child prostitution/paedophile brothels, the role of the CIA in covering up this, etc.

[Matilda]

31. I hadn't heard that.

Wonder if any of it links to the Vatican?

[displacedtexan]

21. It's time to run for Pope again.

This pope wants to write his legacy before he meets his fate.

Those running for Pope are trying to out Catholic each other; hence, the Kerry bashing.

I always post Vatican Shenanigans on my blog.

Their politics are much more vicious than ours, in my opinion.

True practicing Catholics are not in my sights. I respect their devotion to faith and good works.

I just have a problem with the powerful wingnuts who are completely out of touch with the faithful.

[Beware the Beast Man]

25. Thank you!

There are many of us who believe in the teachings of Christ and the sacraments, who want to distance themselves from a lot of the nonsense that goes on in the Church. Thank you for differentiating.

[DemBones DemBones]

30. Agreed! There are no perfect human institutions and

the Catholic Church is no exception to the rule. But it too often is attacked by people who view Catholicism in black and white terms and cast it as a villain while ignoring the positives of our faith.

Not to mention the vast amount of misinformation and disinformation that exists about the Catholic Church.

We don't get no respect! much of the time.

It's appreciated when we do. :-)

[ElsewheresDaughter]

28. thank you so much for the heads up...he is a GOOD man Pope JPII

[DemBones DemBones]

35. Yes, he is, all in all. I hope they choose a worthy successor

when John Paul II dies.

[venus]

36. This picture speaks volumes. Sad. n/t