"Scores of Civilians" Killed in Fallujah

[TomClash]

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/813419D5-CC95-4505-9367-05140111C618.htm

'Scores of civilians' killed in Falluja

Tuesday 09 November 2004, 23:53 Makka Time, 20:53 GMT


Muhammad Abbud said he watched his nine-year-old son bleed to death at their Falluja home, unable to take him to hospital as fighting raged in the streets and bombs rained down on the Iraqi city.

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"My son got shrapnel in his stomach when our house was hit at dawn, but we couldn't take him for treatment," said Abbud, a teacher. "We buried him in the garden because it was too dangerous to go out. We did not know how long the fighting would last."

Residents say scores of civilians have been killed or wounded in 24 hours of fighting since US-led forces pushed deep into the city on Monday evening.

Doctors said people brought in at least 15 dead civilians at the main clinic in Falluja on Monday. By Tuesday, there were no clinics open, residents said, and no way to count casualties.

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Sami al-Jumaili, a doctor at Falluja Hospital, said the city was running out of medical supplies.

"There is not a single surgeon in Falluja. We had one ambulance hit by US fire and a doctor wounded. There are scores of injured civilians in their homes whom we can't move," he said by telephone from a house where he had gone to help the wounded.

"A 13-year-old child just died in my hands."

[ixion]

1. but wait, don't be sad... we're 'liberating' you

:puke: :cry: :grr:

[killbotfactory]

2. We have humane precision weapons

It's the insurgents fault.
Freedom is marching on.
Iraqi's will eventually grow weary of the insurgents for bringing destruction on them.

[tkmorris]

5. ???????????????????????????

[are_we_united_yet]

38. I believe

that was sarcasm

[Dhalgren]

3. America the beautiful...

[alexisfree]

4. and me just here reading this news ...

and I don't have the power to stop it ...God please forgive us

[Name removed]

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[leftchick]

9. This was from AP....

reported this morning. Try reading instead of jumping to conclusions.

[The Constable]

12. The link....

english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/813419D5-CC95-45...

tipped me off.

[leftchick]

18. My mistake it was Reuters....

I read so much it is hard to keep the sources strait. Aljazeera gets many of their reports from Reuters/AP/AFP ...and witnesses on the ground! Can you imagine that kind of reporting in the US???

Reuters ..... from the bottom of the article if you bothered to read it... :eyes:

[truthseeker1]

11. I suppose YOU trust Faux news?

[The Constable]

13. Take leftchick's advice:

Don't jump to conclusions.

[truthseeker1]

19. ok, tell me,

who do you trust for your news?

(btw, have you watched Control Room?)

[The Constable]

21. I look at mulitple news sources...

...and then decide which sources make more sense than others. I don't blindly assume that just because the article follows my belief that it MUST be true.

[truthseeker1]

27. Soo........

your selection of "multiple news sources" doesn't include Al Jazeera?

Most of us at DU rely on multiple news sources and that would include multiple international news sources, such as Al Jazeera.

Go watch Control Room, then come back and argue against A-J.

[The Constable]

30. I'll look at Al Jazeera...

...but that doesn't mean ill agree with them. I find it suspicious that they're always the first ones with new Osama bin Laden tapes for one thing.

[The Magistrate]

40. Well, Constable

There is certainly nothing in this report that raises any particular cause to doubt its gist. It is possible the number of civilian deaths cited is somewhat larger than the actual current toll, but that is normal in early reports from a chaotic and violent situation. It is an error, too, that is often remedied as time goes by, one way or another.

To suppose this operation is being conducted without inflicting civilian casualties strains credulity. It is clear that by no means all the citizens of the town have departed; no men of military age were allowed to depart by the encircling soldiers, and yet surely not all such were armed fighters, although a higher proportion of them may become such as the days wear on, since men who feel they will be killed in any case often desire some escort to the other world. There are certainly families including elderly persons, women and children, who have not departed, owing to a lack of any place to go, or resources to establish themselves even temporarily anywhere else, and there are people who will have remained in the hope, probably futile but understandable, of safeguarding their possessions and property. These people will take heavy casualties in the fighting going on; you must be aware of that. "Precision" munitions do generally hit what they are aimed at, but whether they are aimed at the proper target is a very different question; in the heat of battle they often are not. There is also a great deal of none too precision stuff flying about; mortar rounds, launched grenades, machine gun and automatic rifle fire. It would greatly surprise me to learn U.S. forces kill even as many armed men as unarmed civilians in this exercise. My expectation is about two armed fighters for seven civilians, as an average ratio.

"War is cruelty, and cannot be refined."

[leesa]

45. MY Ass! You look at American corporate media and spew thei crap!

[TomClash]

20. I suppose you believe there are no civilain casualties . . .

because the blacked out government media has not reported it.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

22. Actually I've read every post of yours

You hate Micheal Moore...the rest of your family is more conservative than even you...you argue for Bill O'Reilly and against boycotts and you put PLEASE DON'T BAN ME in your profile....well golly gosh! *slaps head* what's our first clue?

[Name removed]

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[nothingshocksmeanymore]

25. Obviously you've been here before...so did you get banned last time?

[The Constable]

26. First account on this board

If I had been banned before, why would I bother coming back?

[leesa]

44. Of course, it is OK for YOU to jump to conclusions about the credibility

of Al Jazeera. Did Faux or your Messiah Bush tell you that?

[BeyondThePale]

16. Watch Control Room...

for an intersting look at AJ

[TomClash]

17. Do you really trust Fox or CNN? nt

[rodeodance]

23. anger building up in Irag over Falluja

Published on Monday, November 8, 2004 by Inter Press Service

Resistance over Fallujah Builds Up in Baghdad
by Dahr Jamail

BAGHDAD - The anger building up in Baghdad over the imminent attack on Fallujah is a warning that U.S. forces could start off more than they can handle.

The sharp increase in attacks on U.S. and allied forces has been only the most violent form of rising hostility. But it is not an extremist few that are becoming more and more strongly opposed to the occupation and now a U.S. assault on Fallujah.

What Iraqi people are saying could be even more worrying to the occupation forces than the attacks.

[Darranar]

32. It actually tends to be quite accurate...

the information it presents can be found elsewhere with a little trouble, but their focus of coverage on the Middle East is useful.

I am only speaking of the English internet version, since that is the only part with which I am familiar.

[Zhade]

35. FUCK OFF, NAZI.

[The Magistrate]

42. I See, My Friend

Really should learn to check the profiles before replying....

"Kill one, warn one hundred."

[Sara Beverley]

37. Al-Jazeera has proved be much more accurate than any news media

in the US, including CBS, NBC, ABC, FOX, and CNN.

[VegasWolf]

41. Agreed. The US media has been absent from the get go! When

I say media, I'm not including Fox, they are nothing but
a propaganda machine for the right.

[leesa]

43. Yes. Far more accurate than American news. You trust Bush and Rumsfeld

who have lied to you so many times no one can keep track of the talley?

Yes, I believe Al Jazeera over our lying , traitorous American press.

[BUSHOUT]

47. Sure, everyone lies if it reflects badly on USA. WFT?!?

:wtf:

It's a war you idiot. You think these anecdotes of civilian death are beyond belief???

[gWbush is Mabus]

7. winning hearts and minds = shooting hearts, brains, and bodies

[forgethell]

8. War is hell n/t

[Darranar]

15. A condemnation, not an excuse. n/t

[forgethell]

36. Did I say otherwise?

Remember who said it first.

[cali]

10. Scores?

When this is over it'll be hundreds if not thousands dead. And what about the refugees? Did 100,000 leave? 200,000? Where do they go? What about food and shelter? I don't think there are any NGOs operating in the country. This is an enormous humanitarian crisis. The ramifications are enormous. I can't see how this doesn't further rent the country and create more insurgents. Fallujah=Grozny.

[aquart]

28. Bush is shooting for millions.

He can't take control of the MidEast unless MILLIONS die.

What he doesn't get is that he still won't get control. At that point China, Russia, India and the EU would ally to make toast points out of us and share the oil among themselves.

[VegasWolf]

39. It's okay, they're just heathens, not real xtians. n/t

[MisterP]

46. Jaaaaayyyzus can't come back unless millions die, either

[Darranar]

14. Hospital hit as fighting rages in Falluja

Warplanes have bombed a government clinic in the centre of Falluja as US ground forces engaged in pitched battles with fighters defending the city.

Residents said the one-storey Popular Clinic which had been receiving wounded anti-US fighters and civilians was hit overnight as US-led forces pressed into the city.

The residents said on Tuesday it was impossible to reach the clinic because of heavy bombing and US tanks in the area.

The clinic's telephones were no longer working.

An Iraqi journalist, Abu Bakr al-Dulaimi, told Aljazeera that the overnight bombings which continued for more than 10 hours targeted everything in the city including the hospital, houses as well as cars.

...
"We are determined to clean Falluja from the terrorists," interim Prime Minister Iyad Allawi said on Monday in Baghdad.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/D6E6534F-75E3-4830-B5ED-827BF5094113.htm

So, cleansing Fallujah of the "terrorists" involves slaughtering civilians, bombing hospitals, and firing at ambulances....

More "liberation".

[Union Thug]

29. George Bush and his evangelical hypocrites..

That spout off about the sanctity of life should be personally held responsible for the deaths of these people.

Fuck them all. And fuck any freeper lurker that may be reading this.

[leQ]

31. but wolf just told me that there were few casualties

since most of the insurgents fled the city before the assault. there's no 'bloodbath' as has been predicted.

[muriel_volestrangler]

33. kick

[JoFerret]

34. Allawi

[muriel_volestrangler]

48. kick