Israel Sows the Seeds of Hatred

[WillieDee]

Israel Sows the Seeds of Hatred

Rana El-Khatib
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U.S. President George Bush has repeatedly claimed that Israel has a "right" to defend itself.

And Israel has repeatedly claimed that Iran is an accomplice in this war against it.

Both claims, from those of us living the Israeli "defence" in Lebanon, are left to wonder where the moral compass of the world has gone and whether justice will ever prevail.

What is the definition of defence and what are its acceptable limits?

Hezbollah seized two Israeli soldiers along the border with Lebanon to force an exchange for Lebanese prisoners that Israel has held without due process. One of them, Samir Quntar, has been held for 27 years.

Hezbollah's attack may not have been justified, but it has learned through past experience that Israel pays no heed to United Nations resolutions and international law and only responds to force. For this, Israel is pounding all of Lebanon to a pulp.

Its U.S.-made F-16s and bombs crash down on the fragile cities below, demolishing homes, lives, a country that has tried to get back onto its unstable feet after an uncivil civil war that had turned a little paradise into a little forgotten hell.

Israel claims that Iranian hands are all over the bombs and training of Hezbollah and its arms.

The hypocrisy is not lost on any Arab, because we all know, especially those of us at the receiving end, that U.S. hands are all over Israeli bombs and ammunitions and war machines.

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[Cooley Hurd]

2. THAT'S a balanced site???

:rofl:

[WillieDee]

4. Yes, there are two sides to every story...

Somewhere between your link and mine lies the truth.

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[Minnesota Libra]

6. That's the most balanced thing I've heard yet on the issue. THANKS nt

[Minnesota Libra]

3. For many sowing the seeds of hatred is done simply............

.....with the fact that an Israel even exists.:shrug:

[acmejack]

7. It is impossible to dialog as long as you insist on doing this.

Playing the victim card and accusing everybody of wishing to deny Israel the right to exist. You do so frequently and with zealous abandon, it is unfair and counterproductive to informed discussion. What do you hope to gain by doing so? Everybody in the world is not against your Race's right to exist, it is well past time to stop pretending you are the victimized. We all regret tragic events of the past, but we shouldn't be continually forced to pay for them. They were committed several generations ago by a people vanquished in a war fought by us, remember.

[Minnesota Libra]

8. Back up a second, I wasn't talking about "several generations ago"........

.....I'm talking about today - this generation - and comments such as.....

Iran wipe Israel off map
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&hs=CdE&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=Iran+wipe+Israel+off+map&spell=1

BTW, I'm not the victim here and I'm not trying to sound like one. I'm trying to point out the hypocrisy of the neocon/fundy ultra right of support all Israel ever does and the equal hypocrisy of the far left of Israel is always wrong.

Believe it or not, I'm very much in the middle, Israel will cross the line for me if they put ground troops into Lebanon. Until then Lebanon should have asked for UN help in controlling Hezballoh they couldn't do it themselves. As for having Hezballoh in their government - there's consequences for everything in life - on both Israel's side and the Arab's side.

edited for clarity

[acmejack]

9. We need to look to November, this is the Wedge!

I get so frustrated here lately, it seems that the perfect wedge issue has been discovered, better than gay marriage by far! It has this board at each other's throats, something they couldn't do before, they have blighted the netroots! We had better heal ourselves and fast...

[Cooley Hurd]

10. Again, your claim of Iran saying "wipe Israel off the map" is incorrect

http://www.juancole.com/2006/05/hitchens-hacker-and-hitchens.html

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The precise reason for Hitchens' theft and publication of my private mail is that I object to the characterization of Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as having "threatened to wipe Israel off the map." I object to this translation of what he said on two grounds. First, it gives the impression that he wants to play Hitler to Israel's Poland, mobilizing an armored corps to move in and kill people.

But the actual quote, which comes from an old speech of Khomeini, does not imply military action, or killing anyone at all. The second reason is that it is just an inexact translation. The phrase is almost metaphysical. He quoted Khomeini that "the occupation regime over Jerusalem should vanish from the page of time." It is in fact probably a reference to some phrase in a medieval Persian poem. It is not about tanks.
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The last time we discussed this, you posted a rebuttal full of newsmax links...:eyes:

[Minnesota Libra]

11. Well, then if you think..........

....."....Iran saying "wipe Israel off the map" is incorrect..." we have nothing more to discuss because we are at opposite ends of the spectrum here.

So, shall we go our separate ways or do you prefer banging your head against a brick wall?? BTW, I have a hobby, as well as other things to do with my life, so I don't make a habit of keeping track of someone else's past comments/posts/replies. Maybe we BOTH need a hobby, or something else to do with time.

On edit: One thing for sure, we aren't making progress on this.:shrug:

[Cooley Hurd]

12. "I don't make a habit of keeping track..."

I certainly don't either, however I clearly remember your past post about (the mischaracterization of) Ahmadinejad's comments, and felt the need to again explain why I'm in doubt about what the right wing is claiming the meaning of it was. Professor Cole is one of the most well-versed people in the US about middle east matters, and he says the statement was interpreted incorrectly.

That's all - not looking to have a fire fight over this other than to correct the record (as per Professor Cole).:thumbsup: