Worker's Power on Occupy movement..........

[socialist_n_TN]

http://www.workerspower.net/ows-our-perspectives-and-demands

I LOVED this part, RE: workplace and neighborhood councils,"...can form the basis for a legitimate authority powerful enough to create a democratically-planned economy to meet the needs of the 99% but also democratic enough to resist the domination of a priviledged bureaucracy."

[Tippy]

1. K&R......If they can do why can't Congress...

Never mind I know the answer....

[socialist_n_TN]

12. Tip, you DO know why, but a my short answer is

Congress answers to the ones who pay their salaries. And that's not us.

[socialist_n_TN]

14. BTW, to get just a LITTLE deeper into how this would work

It would be as if Congress represented ALL of the people and had immediately recallable delegates. Local and workplace councils elect delagates to city and countywide councils, who elect delegates to a state council, who elect delagates to a national council. And at any step, IF the delagates didn't vote the way the participants wanted, they could be recalled. Immediately. Obviously, the Bill of Rights would still apply to minority positions.

This would be true participatory (small "d") democracy.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

2. I'm not trying to be obnoxious, but OWS is a copy of Spain's M-15 movement begun in May 2011

That group is also known as Los Indignados, and their techniques are what OWS is engaging in. I LOVE OWS!!! I adore it. It makes me cry from happiness and is the only thing that has made me realize there is hope for this country after all.

All that said, watch out with this writing, accurate as it might be in presenting the picture of the current U.S. because the Joseph McCarthy lovers hiding around here will be taking you to task for daring to publish it.

There are people in here wishing we were back in the 1950s and just LOVING the 'Commies versus the United States' propaganda.

[Rabblevox]

4. OWS definitely grew out of M-15, I acknowledge the debt, we will not be silenced!...

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2011/may2011/madr-m30.shtml

[Sarah Ibarruri]

5. And isn't it wonderful??? The prob is that in the U.S. we have less freedom of assembly than

in Spain.

That has to stop.

Freedom of assembly is guaranteed by the Constitution, and we need to have it.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

6. And thank you for the link. It's good to know that others are aware that the protests are going on

in Spain! :)

[Rabblevox]

7. You are welcome. My brother lived in Spain most of his adult life, and I have many friends and...

relatives there. (RIP, Jon, and much love to Monica, Erica, Ernesto, Paulo, and Tia Carmen)

So I keep up. Beyond that, I think it's very important for US citizens to realize that this is a world-wide movement, and that the US is not the first, or the most dedicated.

(But I AM glad that the US is finally joining the global revolution)

[Sarah Ibarruri]

13. Cool! Tho this is my country, my 4 grandparents are pure-blood Spanish.

Or at least as 'pure' as one can be, given that we were all 'born' in Africa by evolution of the species. :-) (Provinces of Galicia, Catalunya, and Leon).

You're right. It's vitally important that everyone here be made aware that other countries affected by Wall Street and banks, are also in this battle.

[socialist_n_TN]

10. The article gives props to the Los Indignados movement

and also points out the failings of both movements. We've done several articles on the Occupy movement, some going into more detail about the similiarities between the Occupy and the Los Indignados AND the difference between the two. The other articles are on the front page of the site. One of the first articles we did pointed out the similiarities and differences.

As to your last paragraph, I've never made any secret on here of the fact that I am a Marxist of the Trotskyist tendency. If people want to frame it as "Commies versus the United States" we have no control over the framing. HOWEVER anything more than a cursory examination of our positions on the Occupy movement would show that we're internationalists and it's NOT Commies against ANY individual country. It's Commies against the capitalist system. The WORLDWIDE capitalist system.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

3. I could not find your quote at the link

[socialist_n_TN]

8. Last half of the 11th paragraph.........

It's a warning against Stalinism as well as a roadmap for economic democracy.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

9. Damn, I could not find it previously even with the search function

Think I need to wait until the caffeine kicks in harder next time

[socialist_n_TN]

11. No problem. And the reason that I pointed it out

is because so many people I've argued with on here have ONLY the Stalinist model for communism to go by in their experience. I liked this because it points out that there ARE different models of Marxism THAT HAVE NEVER BEEN TRIED.