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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 04:43 AM
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Here's the risk: Occupy ends up doing the bidding of the global elite
A 21st-century grassroots movement faces many pitfalls. This was as true back in 1968 as it is today. It could be infiltrated by law enforcement and intelligence agencies, or co-opted by a major party. As the state continues to creep further into our lives, activists can expect that it will use all its resources – not just the violent reaction seen in New York overnight, but also its agents, informants and surveillance packages – in its effort to monitor both sides of any serious social debate. Even bleaker, however, is the possibility that the movement was actually planned and launched by the very establishment activists thought they were waging a battle against in the first place. The larger the movement, the more interested a major party becomes in absorbing it into either the left or the right side of the current two-party paradigm.

The sudden emergence of America's Tea Party movement in 2007 is a good example. Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul, its inventor, used it as a springboard to highlight libertarian and constitutional issues during his 2008 campaign. Soon after, it was co-opted by key political and media influencers from the US right wing, associating itself less with a libertarian manifesto, and more with emerging figures within the Republican establishment. Now it is has morphed into nothing more than a block of voters whom the Republican party can rely to strike a deal with during an election cycle.

Arguably, the Occupy Wall Street movement has already drifted into the shadow of the Democratic party – with a number of Democratic establishment figures from the top down endorsing it. The Democrats' own media fundraising and media machine, Move On, has visibly adopted the cause. Like the Tea Party before it, the Occupy block would swing a close election during a national two-party race, functioning as a pressure-release valve for any issue too radical for the traditional platform.

Alongside this is the threat of being infiltrated. Scores of declassified documents, along with accounts from veteran activists, will reveal many stories of members who were actually undercover police, FBI or M15. In the worst cases of infiltration, undercover agents have acted as provocateurs. Such incidents normally serve to radicalise a movement, thus demonising it in the eyes of society and effectively lessening its wider political appeal.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/nov/15/occupy-global-elite
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Uncle Sinister Donating Member (503 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 05:36 AM
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1. Wow. Nay-Say much? And have you even been to an Occupation?
You fundamentally lost me in the 1st two sentences. Read them and parse them again.

You lost me again in the 2nd graph, and the 3rd, and the 4th.

You quite obviously have no experience with the Occupation, and precious little with activism of any sort. Please come back when you have something pertinent to say.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 06:01 AM
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2. That's a Guardian article : not my thoughts on the subject.
I can only suggest you write to the Guardian.
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Uncle Sinister Donating Member (503 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 06:05 AM
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3. In return I can only suggest that you participate in your local Occupation....
attend the next GA (or even just the next march) and report back, please.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 08:19 AM
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5. That is an editorial, not an article, and the difference is vast
This individual's opinion, filled with false assumptions and distance, is not the opinion of the Guardian, and it most certainly is not a news article from that paper, and your statement that it is an article is deceptive, intentionally so if you ask me, as I assume you do know what news reporting is and how that differs from a signed editorial by a pundit.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 08:53 AM
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8. I don't differeniate between the two.
To me there's just news , by way of facts not opinions, and other all other items. For whatever reason the fact remains that the Guardian published it. I posted this here simply because I though it might be of interest to some.

What possible motive I could possibly have to intend to deceive I cannot imagine.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 07:32 AM
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4. Yes best to sit home by the tv doing nothing. No risk there.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 08:24 AM
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6. The author of this piece is an editor at 'Infowars'...
"Henningsen is an author and founder of the 21st Century Wire news website, an Associate Editor of alternative news site Infowars.com and regular geopolitical analyst for Russia Today."
Good stuff, that!
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 09:14 AM
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9. Assuming him to be a bad choice
then don't you find it odd that he speaking here at the St Paul's camp this coming Sunday ?

From the Guardian link : "Patrick Henningsen is speaking on Deep Politics and the Revolutions Business at Tent City University at St Paul's on Sunday, 20 November at 4pm "
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Bosso 63 Donating Member (759 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 08:48 AM
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7. Everything has a "risk", including doing nothing.
The "no message" OWS has already changed the conversation about income inequality by moving it to the front burner. That alone is a huge win in my opinion.
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