"They" abused Bush, according to Kay. Who is "They?" huh?

[buycitgo]

‘‘If anyone was abused by the intelligence it was the president of the United States.’’

that's what he said. OK, even if that's true, how SICK are you of all these apologists acting like CIA, DIA, NSA, NRO, etal, existing as some autonomous group, OUTSIDE the realm of the US government?

Who the hell CHARGED them with the responsibility to inform out "pResident?"

Who's reSPONsible for the quality of the information provided under his aegis?

And why is this not being discussed at all in the media, as well as being ignored by our so-called leaders in the democratic party? I find this almost more infuriating than the fact that OSP/PNAC never gets discussed, even during the Holbrooke/Woolsey exchange today during ABC's This Week, which tore a giant hole in WMD/Axis of Evil-related programs of mass distraction activity credibility.

Also, do you recall one of the KEY selling points during *'s successful marketing campaign of 1999-2000?

You remember, the one which counted his inexperience, lack of engagement, hands-off approach as a PERFECT qualification for leadership, because it freed his hands to UNITE us all, to spend his time (when not playing space invaders or dislodging pretzels) restoring honor and dignity to the WH?

Be assured, NO outside entity FORCED him to accept this information, much less ACT upon it.

Yet, as always, he HIDES behind a facade of others' responsibility, refusing to be accountable for the actions of people that HE put (or left) in place.

My mother met Harry Truman. She INTERviewed Harry Truman. And, George Bush, you're no Harry Truman. When will you EVER take responsibility for ANYthing?

[proud patriot]

1. what did Condi beat him with a whip ?

:eyes:

[buycitgo]

2. Doonesbury appreciates a straight shooter

[wryter2000]

3. When

When, oh when, are the CIA et al. going to fight back?

[benburch]

10. You'll know when they do...

... but you'll never be able to prove it!

[KissMyAsscroft]

4. Meaningless...

Powell and rice both said Saddam was not a threat as recently as 2001. That is a FACT these assholes will never address.

Until they address those statements and show what intelligence they had, there is no reason to believe a word of this tripe.

[Devlzown]

5. Awwww.......

Poor Georgie Porgie, put-upon pie!

[BruinAlum]

6. OMFG, that is pathetic

The leader of the free world was abused by those HE chose to take counsel from. As if that were the truth anyway, everybody knows he is not running this country but his handlers are anyway.

I can't believe he said that without choking.

[buycitgo]

7. And once again the MOST employed thuglican response is rolled out:

the choice between utter, venal culpability, or utter and complete incompetence.

the latter calls from removal of office via the electoral process.

the former calls for impeachment for Bush/Cheney, at the least, and Hague prosecution for a number of others, including the monkey and his organ grinder

[maxr4clark]

8. This is beside the point.

The point is that the President made a case to attack a foreign country, and got approval from Congress. The case was wrong; the President was wrong; the Congress was wrong. EVERYONE who put us into that war should be voted out of office: Bush, Kerry, Edwards, Lieberman, the entire Republican side, and most of the Democrats, as well.

The United States should not be attacking other nations without just cause, and we had no just cause.

Dennis Kucinich voted against the IWR; I respect him for that. Wesley Clark testified before the House Armed Services Committee against using force in Iraq unilaterally, and I respect him for that.

If it can be proven that Bush has broken the law to take us to war, he should be tried and convicted for the murder of 10,000 Iraqi civiliians and over 500 American soldiers, plus the murder of the Iraqi combatants that died, as well--and for the 12,000 American soldiers that have been removed from Iraq with serious injuries. If it can be proven that Powell or Cheney or Rice or Tenet or Rumsfeld or Wolfowitz knowingly contributed to taking us to war on false pretenses, they should be charged and convicted as well. I CANNOT BELIEVE that Bush even has any say in whether this gets investigated!!!

Watergate was about cheating to get reelected. As far as I can tell, it is taken for granted that candidates cheat to get elected now. Surely misleading Congress about the reasons for going to war is more serious than that! After all, to my knowledge, noone died in the Watergate scandal. Thousands died this time.

[buycitgo]

9. I agree with everything you say, but the bit about it being beside point

and getting rid of those who voted for war.

they're ignorant, ambitious creeps, but they do have the excuse of being lied to, and even the pugs who voted against Nixon didn't do it until the VERY end; until after the tapes, after the 18 minute gap had been revealed.

point is that NOBODY in the major media OR the demparty is making that obvious connection between dumbo being RESPONSIBLE for those whom he appoints

le buck arretes avec le chimp

[maxr4clark]

13. Clark got it right, even in the face of the lies.

So did Kucinich. So did Dean.

THOSE are the kind of people we need in office, not people who vote for going to war on skimpy evidence, just because it might come back to bite them later politically if they don't.

I can't think of a more important decision for a politician to make than whether or not to go to war. Politicians who make that decision wrong deserve to be voted out of office, from the President on down.

There are plenty of people in this country who would do well in Congress; let's have a changing of the guard.

[Malva Zebrina]

11. I agree, you have your head on straight

nevermind all of the nuances of political chess games. IT was wrong. Period. That relatively few are concerned is a source of great angst to me. You stated that perfectly as far as I am concerned. It is not the time for playing games here. I support Kucinich and have from the beginning. I am less enthused about Kerry or Edwards or any who gave the Bush his blank check. I do not believe they were that uniformed or had the wool pulled over their eyes, I simply do NOT believe that. They knew it was lie, just as they all knew that Bush took office illegally and people did not have their votes counted. They knew that too, yet they went along to get along and look what has happened to our beloved country. Two wars--thousands of innocents killed , actually murdered in our name when the invasion and killing was all done on lies--Afganistan back in the opium business full time and the biggest world supplier of drugs, most likely. Look at the economy--three million jobs lost , social programs trashed, people and their most urgent needs ignored especially veterans, a surplus and security turned into credit card overspending, all from the policies and the ignorance and greed of a cheap little man who is dumb, whose daddy's name got him into that seat illegally, and who has been allowed to get away with it. That is the most incredible to me.
'
Unbelievable that we could be such simpering, wimpering slogs-unbelievable that our representatives , with the exception of a handful who do have some sense of integrity and of history, went along not particularly caring either.

Sad.

[radfringe]

12. reminds me of the story of the kid

that kills his parents then asks for pity because he's an orphan


if the CIA didn't 'tailor' the info to meet expectations, and the information is as old and unreliable as they now state --- then who in the white house cherry-picked through it to justify the invasion?

Bush blamed intelligence failures for 9-11, then he blamed intelligence failures on the yellow-cake statement ... if intelligence failed this many time then why in hell would you believe the intelligence regarding WMDs in Iraq???

wouldn't you think to ask for more verification before committing to a war?