bush* at Daytona: "I like speed, I flew fighters in the guard"

[spanone]

In his interview on NBC bush* just had to get a shot in.

[nostamj]

1. shameless POS

[joanski01]

2. I'm surprised that he

can remember that far back.

[lucidmadman]

3. Daytona. AKA: the inter-breeders cup.

:crazy:

[LostInTheMaise]

11. What does that mean?

Are you attacking the drivers or the fans?

[lucidmadman]

25. Just a joke at the expence of the stereotype...

...of people who like to watch cars drive in a circle. I have a brother like that. He tried to explain to me that Nascar was the 'world's sport'. I think the 'world's sport' is soccer. Some dirt and a ball is all you need.

[buycitgo]

41. ha ha ha ho ho ho hee hee hee.....I am the walrus

I started a thread with exactly that premise, making fun of the hypnofans who like to watch thing go round in circles.

bet Chuck Berry's a big NASCAR fan, if you know what I mean.

they locked the thread cause it offended too many people, I guess....somebody TOLD on me for characterizing a post as "ignorant"

when I want to take an afternoon snooze, I either turn on golf, or turn off the sound and watch big fourwheeled machines go round in circles

too fricking funny

[diplomats]

4. This is nothing but a friggin' campaign commercial

I hope it backfires. Politicians at sporting events don't usually go over well.

[DemMother]

5. Arrogance

He can't resist. He's a punk. And it's his arrogance, which is tied to his refusal to own up to anything, that will do him in.

[Dudley_DUright]

6. I think his misremembering his experience

What he meant to say was "I like coke, and I avoided flying in the guard".

[AngryAmish]

7. Hillbillies.

I can't believe those mouth-breathers would cheer for the jerk. Oh wait, I can, because they are stupid. Crackers.

[Red State Rebel]

19. Excuse me? I'm a college educated NASCAR Fan...

Be careful how quickly you label people.

[LostInTheMaise]

24. Real nice attitude

Win many votes with that mouth do ya?

[watercolors]

26. your impression is wrong

not all fans are. There are many of us who are dedicated Dems and educated to boot! So quit all the remarks about rednecks , crachers, and trailer trash, I really get frustrated at those remarks. Remember he was not invited, as a ploitcal move he invited himself. The news station here were very quick to point it out.

[spanone]

29. Many of my friends ( Dems ) are into racing. Just not true.

I'd take it elsewhere.

[susu369]

42. bu$h* has a habit of inviting himself

hm-m-m, like to the Martin Luther King memorial.

[bandy]

37. I don't agree with you about mouth-breathers,

crackers, etc. You see, my son, son-in-law, and extended family members just happen to be at the race. We are well educated, informed Dems. I don't think these kind of comments should be expressed on this forum. Just because we are sports fans and car lovers is no reason for this kind of logic and no reason to think that * is going to sway our opinion of him.

[WarNoMore]

60. Careful, I'm a proud

hillbilly. <grin>

[Cat Atomic]

8. He likes speed? I thought he was a coke man.

[rock]

9. Not planes, fighters

Boy, were they scrappy

[leetrisck]

10. Tomorrow everyone will bring up how "bold" it

was of bush to bring up the fighter plane

[Dr Fate]

12. He's appealing to methed out mechanic NASCAR dudes...

...you know the type...

[billbuckhead]

13. Let's not let * turn NASCAR into a wedge issue, that's what Rove wants

Some NASCAR people have spoken out against Bush.

[Wickerman]

17. Yep, Rove is wise to solicit that vote

I believe NASCAR is the highest rated of any televised sport and live attendance to all types racing tops other events.

If it hasn't held that title over the last few years, its in the top couple. Lets not intentionally piss those folks off. They are a huge demographic that will play a factor in the fall. Lets be Big Tent Dems and not show our ignorance by attacking people because we don't appreciate their brand of entertainment.

[Dr Fate]

21. I was just joking- sheesh...

Have you ever partied with some of these hard-core NASCAR guys? It was just a joke concerning a particular type of car-enthusist. Trust me, these guys I'm talking about dont vote!

[Red State Rebel]

22. You are right on the money...and there is a LOT of it in Nascar

It doesn't pay to alienate such a large base.

[buycitgo]

43. AND I heard on the radio this morning (NPR) that the demo is.....

horrible.....on the order of 70 to 27% of NASCAR fans voted BUsh over Gore last time

what a waste of time

sure there are educated people who like NASCAR

they also like Cheers!

so what does that prove?

no accounting for taste

a demo that needs to be sought after is the unmarried, unregistered FEMALE vote.....those numbers break VERY strongly dem.....similarly landslide proportions, but nobody's talking about that


check out what Stan Greenberg (the man who rescued Gore's campaign, only to have the election stolen) has to say about them

[Bridget Burke]

45. Interesting statistics.

What's the source for your demographic statements? Especially about the unmarried, unregistered FEMALE vote? Do you hear them calling you?

Also, if you're claiming to represent the educated folk, I recommend you become acquainted with the Shift Key. Also, those funny little symbols used for punctuation.

[buycitgo]

52. so, tell me, friend, what's your problem?

if you read my post, you'll see where I got the stats.

if you care to learn more, there's a little thing I'd recommend to you.

it's called google

try it

same goes for the single female voter stats.....they're mindboggling, btw

I started a thread on it`

[buycitgo]

54. "Also, those funny little symbols used for punctuation."

too funny

do you know the meaning of the phrase 'subordinate clause?'

and how it applies to your venture into pedantry?

long as we're picking the nit

[JasonDeter]

62. Yes but they aren't a large enough group to swing an election.

If they were then bush*/stupid would've won the 2000 election WHICH HE DIDN'T! If they voted for him in 2000 they'll probably vote for him this year. I'd be willing to bet the Democratic candidate will pick up more of the supposed Nascar vote this election than we did in 00 simply because America is sick and tired of the world bush* has created. So please don't give Nascar people more credit than they deserve.

[diplomats]

32. Yes, it's not as monolithic as people think

I'm not a NASCAR fan, but I'm sure there are quite a few who aren't Reubs.

I just don't like the idea of Bush injecting himslef into major sporting events, like when he did that stupid pre-Super Bowl interview.

[mohinoaklawnillinois]

18. Hey, I take offense to your comment.

My husband is a mechanic and a NASCAR fan and he absolutely despises George Bush and everything he stands for. BTW he not a cracker either. He was born and raised in Ireland and voted for Al Gore in 2000 and will support the Democratic nominee this year, no matter what.

[Dr Fate]

23. Good! Ask him if he knows any crazy mechanic types...

...I know all kinds of wild, crazy mechanic types. I was just kidding about them and Bush.

He said "SPEED" - come on- it was a JOKE!!!

[mohinoaklawnillinois]

27. OK, Dr. Fate

Sorry, I took your comment the wrong way. Actually the old man would have qualified as wild and crazy in his younger days. He rebuilt an old Jaguar when he was about 19 and crashed it into a stone wall outside of the town he grew up in. He even made the local newspaper because of it. He's mellowed out though now.

[Dr Fate]

30. Sorry to stereotype- I was just joking...

It's all good...We do want NASCAR guys voting DEM, no doubt...

[bandy]

38. Thank you, Mohin

you said it so much better then I did.

[Vickers]

14. Flew fighters, eh? Against who: Louisiana? Mississippi?

Cuz dem some dang nasty hombres!

DON'T MESS WITH TEXAS! and, uh, ALABAMA!!!

[Granite]

36. LOL!

Had a good chuckle over that one!

Thank God Bush* was protecting the Texas/Louisianna/Mississippi Gulf Coast from communists in outdated planes. Thats the stuff of legend, no?

[GCP]

15. Did you hear that question about 911 - they just HAD to get that one in

How he threw out the baseball after 911 - WTF did that have to do with Nascar in 2004?

NBC really giving him his money's worth. I wonder how much they got paid by the RNC for that little POS interview.

[unblock]

16. speed TOO??? i thought it was just booze and cocaine he was into!

[onehandle]

20. "I like my pee-pee, I pull on it all the time"

Just as Presidential, imo.

[OneTwentyoNine]

28. NBC pose the question about him and Bath refusing to take the pee test?

Thats when Bush STOPPED flying fighters in the guard. No problem asking Clinton a personal question like that,but I guess its not appropriate for the boy King.

David

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[Deja Q]

33. Uh, last I recall, President Apostate* went AWOL...

To those who say it's not an issue. IT IS.

[MIMStigator]

34. Only hicks who already vote for * will like this, the rest will........

be reminded he's an asshole.

[kenny blankenship]

35. but then ...

I tried to snort one of them white lines in the sky.
I was a desk jockey after that.

[jayfish]

39. He Likes It So Much...

that he let his flight status lapse. Here is what I don't understand about the whole guard thing. I have not heard of a single pilot who would willingly give up flying for anything. * didn't even put up a fight. Why is that?

Jay

[wellstone_democrat]

44. didn't let it "lapse?!"

Hardly-0--he was grounded for failing to perform his duty: having his qualifying yearly physical. He was then *ordered* to do so. He failed to follow orders.

HE frames it as letting it "lapse" as though he let his TV Guide subscription run out 'cause he was moving. WE need to remember that he defied orders and was PUNISHED.

See posts by TahitiNut, DemoTex and Trof for the pilot's-eye-view of this situation.

[jayfish]

47. I'm Framing This As If I Take Him At His Word.

Just trying to get those who do the same to think outside the box a little.

Jay

[eleny]

40. Oh, how embarrassing

He likes speed. Hmmm....

He flew fighters in the Guard. Guess it was too late to cancel this photo op. But jeez! How humiliating when the obvious follow up to that are questions about his dubious service. Besides, I heard that the plane he flew was going obsolete and there was never any chance he would be sent to SE Asia.

He needs to find that rock he crawled out of and slither back under. Crawford is a good second.

[hlthe2b]

46. To those who are stereotyping NASCAR & Fans,

while I don't personally care much for racing, I must point out that there are plenty of very progressive folks who do. May I simply mention but one, Paul Newman! Newman, like Redford has always been loyal to DEM/Progresive/liberal causes.

So, let's please stop it! I sense that this is a not so veiled extension of the "anti-south" bigotry that permeates this website-- given the popularity of NASCAR in the SOUTH. Whether I am right or wrong, I think we need to remember to be inclusive here. We need to bring folks along to our point of view-- something that will never occur if we continue this line of attack.

[Catherine Vincent]

49. Also, Big Dog Clinton likes Nascar too.

There fan base is mostly conservatives but there are quite a few that are liberals.

[otohara]

48. I Like Speed & Cocaine

but mostly Cocaine, added Mr. Bush

[buycitgo]

55. seen this ironic quote from the wayback machine?

"George Walker Bush is one member of the younger generation who doesn't get his kicks from pot or hashish or speed.... As far as kicks are concerned, Lt. Bush gets his from the roaring afterburner of the F-102."
Texas Air National Guard press release, March 1970

[spanone]

50. Here's the good news!!!

they haven't mentioned the bush* since the race started, he's probably on beer 18 while Laura is watching videotaped soapies.

[Cooley Hurd]

51. He left in the middle of the race...

...they showed AF1 taking off about 40 minutes ago. Yep, he's a real big fan of NASCAR, alright...

[spanone]

53. NO kidding? I missed that......politics plain & simple

He could care less about a race unless it's his race for re-selection.
*What, no fly-over on his way out of town?????

[Karenina]

56. Didn't want to call attention to the fact

that he was skipping out EARLY. ;-)

[rhino47]

57. Pmp too funny

[Vickers]

59. Left early? What is this, the Alabama National Guard?

Probably had a dental appointment.

[truth2power]

58. Chimp sez, "I like speed."???

Bwahahahahahahaha!!! :eyes:

[buycitgo]

61. not according to this quote, he doesn't

"George Walker Bush is one member of the younger generation who doesn't get his kicks from pot or hashish or speed.... As far as kicks are concerned, Lt. Bush gets his from the roaring afterburner of the F-102."
Texas Air National Guard press release, March 1970

but things DID go better with coke for the monkeyboy

[chookie]

63. Who cares?

I think everyone sees that this is a campaign appearance.

Howard Dean brought attention to the Nascar Dads -- and now His Chimperial Highness is trying to make his play for this constituency.

Presidential visits are a pain in the butt at events like this. Real fans get ticked off that someone -- anyone -- is hijacking their beloved event from them in order to draw attention to themselves.

Only the diehard Bush-worshippers would fall for this one. Wanna make a bet the reaction in the minds of the majority of that massive audience were thinking "What an asshole"? His Chimperial Majesty should stick to 100% stage-managed events -- stuff like this *will* backfire.

When Abbie Hoffman tried to grab the mike from Pete Townshend as he performed Tommy on the stage at Woodstock, Townshend knocked him off the stage with his guitar, and people cheered. Asked later why he did that, he said that while he sympathized with Hoffman's mission, he was mighty POed that he would steal another man's microphone to make his pitch.

Hell -- if I was at the Metropolitan Opera waiting to hear David Daniels perform Handel and if even BILL CLINTON interjected some pitch at the beginning, I would have a bad feeling about it. I'd want to knock him off the stage with my guitar.

Bush is a gambler -- a master poker player -- and he is GAMBLING that if he keeps claiming to be a heroic macho Top Gun, then people will believe it. But given that a lot of those NASCAR guys now have relatives and friends fighting in Iraq, His Chimperial Majesty's "honorable service" in the national Guard safely within the borders of the good ol' USA doesn't sound too impressive anymore.

What going to happen is that Bush is *not* going to get away with this one -- and *now*, the more he tries crap like this, the far worse it is going to adversely effect him in the minds of the American people, who are turning against him, and probably never like the SOB much to begin with. Bush's "popularity" -- really -- was compassion for the victims of Sept 11 and our love of our country, and that's all.

My "un-informed" sources tell me that they can't stand this guy. They thought they'd give him a chance, and then there was that horrific day in Sept 2001 -- but now they feel he has BLOWN the chance they gave him big time, and they hate him for the war he started, and despise the lies, which they can clearly see now.

My pro-Bush "un-informed" sources, the honest ones, who used to praise him and wail as they thought about what a disaster Al Gore would have been, now just shake their heads and say they can't figure him out. My "informed" pro-Bush sources now hate him as much as I have all along.

I think John Kerry is right -- "Like father, like son/4 years and you're done."