WOW, Lou Dobbs was great on e-voting tonight.

[juajen]

Chalk up one for the good guys. We're going to have to send that man an honorary membership in DU.

He had three guests on, all sending strong warning signals about the security of electronic voting. One was a reporter from U.S.News & World Report, one from Time Magazine, and I can't remember the other. All were in favor of paper trails and said it should have been done already. HIP HIP HURRAH!

Bev and troops have got to be happy over this. I have seen the problem addressed at least three times this week, but Lou Dobbs, as usual, was the best. Gotta love Lou!

[hedda_foil]

1. TIME-Tumlty, US News-Roger Simon, LA Times-Brownstein

Three VERY heavy hitters. Plus very damning report on heavy machine failures in Maryland, Georgia and San Diego County, CA.

[FlashHarry]

2. He always struck me as a paleocon.

I disagree with him on many issues, but I think he's fairly honest--as far as a CNN presstitute can be honest!

[Doctor_J]

3. A con that LOVES America

and believes that adherence to the constitution will pull us through every crisis - like Buchanan, and Buckley when he was young.

The neocons hate America, believe it has to be redone, starting with the Constitution.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

10. He's supposedly a registered Republican.

Yet lately he's emerged as a vocal critic of the status quo.

[Mountainman]

4. Lots of talk but still nothing has been done about Nov elections

I doubt that they will say not to use the machines in Nov if there is not paper trail. They will go ahead and use them and not find out there were problems until it is too late.

I would like to see a national debate on this and see what side the repuks take. My bet is that they will say there is nothing to worry about.

The only way Bush can win is by stealing the election.

[PATRICK]

5. Belated

for "heavy hitting" news organizations with a track record of toeing the corporate line. It could be horror at the blatancy and scope of the crime they'd just as soon not even personally think about, but the facts were there long ago. The sheer arrogant incompetence of such theft should scare any non-junta citizen much less business people panicking over a public reaction.

What to do after they make noise a bit and cover their butt? Silence descends on the national topic or becomes one of those things like campaign finance reform that sputters on hypocritically.

[John BigBootay]

6. Being against E-Voting is not a lib / con issue. n/t

[maggrwaggr]

9. Yes. God-hating Democrats might hack the machines

Hell, Dems are smarter than republicans anyway, god knows all the dumb-ass GOP'ers are frightened of intelligence.

So we need to put some fear in their so-called hearts and get this to be a bi-partisan thing.

[Joanne98]

7. Did you see the look on his face

When he was told there was no way to recount. Priceless. He said, "How do intelligent people do these things" or something to that effect. I e-mailed him and asked if he could put Bev Harris on. I just hope he stays on it. He seems to be interested.

[Andy_Stephenson]

8. Stay Tuned tomorrow AM

More to come

Hip Hip Hooray!!!!

[SoCalDem]

11. Good for him...BUT....

It's really too late.. The fall election is 8 months off, and most states have already voted in and paid for these "machines".. The companies that make them cannot(will not) refund the money.. The time for reflection and testing and reviewing was BEFORE they jumped the gun and BOUGHT them..

The voting legislation passed too easily, and I was suspicious then but in retrospect, this works perfectly for the repubes.. WEe said they screwed us on the 2000 election..Bush rushes in to "save the day" by making sure that states got rid of those "old" machines.. We played right into his hands..

Instead of rushing to do away with the older machines, all we needed to have done was to insist that there was a nationwide "standard" for recounts, and to standardize the ballots for presidential years..

We used a shotgun to kill a mosquito..

What we have ended up with is cash-strapped states that have spent a bundle for stuff we "said we needed", and no we don't really want it..When we complain about the fact that these machines are anything but secure, they say.. "Hey, YOU wanted these machines..we gave them to you"...

Now that a real recount will be next to impossible, look for states to start eliminating the recount feature completely.. and even a paper trail will not solve the problem completely, since the verification slip could have all the correct data, but the machines could be rigged to "flip" 500 votes on every 50th "transaction"..

Unless every precinct was required to have those slips, AND have them as an audit for the machines, it's useless to even have them

If a precinct has 800 people, and a candidate got 600 according to the paper trail, but the machines registered 750, there would have to be a remedy BEFORE any votes were cast.. They cannot have every precinct in a state trying to figure out what to do at the last minute..

It would have been so much simpler to just have plain old paper and markers..with optical scanners to eliminate over votes.. There should NEVER be an undervote.. There should always be a "none of the above" option.. That way there is no way for someone to "miss" a category..

[Andy_Stephenson]

12. More Lawsuits

By Citizens groups and candidates. That can stop the BS.

Bold moves are now required.