OMG, this is too good! Protestors swarm Rove's house...love it!

[DemLikr]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A31890-2004Mar28.html

We should be harrassing that bastard every day.

Whaaaaaaaa...too bad that his kiddie cried. I wonder how many Iraqi kids and children of dead American servicepeople have wept as a result of his and junior's mendacity?

[Lisa0825]

1. That's great!!!

[berner59]

2. I saw this article...

Maybe this will spark others to do the same... I love the image of them tracking him from window to window...too bad they didn't film it. HA!!!

[johnlr6]

81. Kind of reminds me of . . .

. . . that scene in "For Whom the Bell Tolls," when the townspeople march the Fascists out of their palace, and, well . . . 'twasn't pretty, but it was war. Rightwingers declared war on liberals and anything or anyone else in their way over ten years ago. Dems seem to be sitting this one out, or, in the words of the writer of FWTBT, have made their "separate peace," and refuse to join the fight against our own homegrown Fascists.
From behind enemy lines in West Texas (please send books! almost any kind of book. Please!)

[bryant69]

3. Hmmmmm

"Do not battle with monsters lest ye become a monster and if ye gaze into the Abyss remember that the Abyss also gazes into thee" - Nietzche

Or in other words, as bad as President Bush and Rove and Cheney and Rumsfeld have been, I'm still not sure it's good karma to take joy in the suffering of a child (even one related to them).

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[DarkPhenyx]

6. Agreed.

Thank you for saying it. The end rarely justifies the means.

[vi5]

8. I'm conflicted on that.....on one hand I agree......

..that it is bad form to target someone's family.

On the other hand, people like rove and his ilk don't seem to understand any other kind of language. They think because they get away with things once or twice, and that the dem establishment in washington rolls over for them that they don't need to worry about anyone else. Once a policy is passed they don't have to see the other side's kids crying.

I'm not saying it makes it right but if you believe in a cause and are denied your voice through appropriate normal channels, what is your recourse?

[DemLikr]

9. First of all...

...I hardly "took joy" in the suffering of KKKarl's kid.

I'm just not overly concerned that a child's eyes might be opened to the fruits of his father's vicious behavior...and I don't believe a family is necessarily guaranteed insulation from the blowback of one of its member's actions.

The fact that people like KKKarl feel they can do as they please in business and life and then retreat to the manicured lawns of their pricey mansions where they will be free from the unwashed rabble's rudeness is BULLSHIT.

KKKarl is responsible for his kid's tears.

[bryant69]

13. Well, how far would you go?

By the way adding the KKK to Karl Rove's name doesn't really make your argument any stronger. I don't really need to be convinced that Rove is a bad guy, I know he is.

A simple test the acceptibility of any political gambit is do you mind if the other side uses it? I mean if Republican mobs busted into, say, Al Franken's house and started scaring his kids, would that be fine with you? I mean you would obviously disagree with their target, but you'd have to concede that those tactics are acceptable.

[DemLikr]

17. The "KKK" is for fun...lighten up.

No one "busted into" Karl's house.

Isn't the question here primarily one of where are our priorities? Which is worse? The countless crimes of Bushco or the tears of a Rovian offspring?

Given the abomination that this administration has turned out to be, the sanctity of Karl's azalea beds are not at the top of my list.

[bryant69]

20. Which is worse

Well that would be, of course, the crimes of the Bush Administration.

But I see no reason to pick just one bad thing and comment on it.

[sangh0]

22. You're missing an important point

which is that the only evidence of child crying is based on Rove's assertions.

[bryant69]

24. Oh.

Well I guess that clears all this up.

[noiretextatique]

99. yeah...i didn't miss that point

and since rove is a liar...

[wettap]

21. I'm not sure it is wise...

to stoop to the tactics of the fanatics from the Repulican Party, or zealot Conservatives. It's one thing to get the message out, and voice dissent. It's another to harrass someones family. Quite honestly, it hurts the Democratic Party to be associated with these antics. Unless, the purpose is to drive away Centrists and Moderates from the Party.

IMHO

[redqueen]

37. I agree! And welcome to DU!

What a great first post!
:hi:

[Stephanie]

They've already done it.

They did it to Gore during the recount. Only difference is, they didn't go home. They stayed there day and night for weeks.

But that's okay, they're republicans.

[frylock]

23. al franken has no say over national policy..

and if he did, and was doing as crappy a job, then I would say yes, it would be acceptable.

[Zinfandel]

93. Yes, much nicer to play fair, and be good little karmic Democrats...

don't be like republicans banging on precincts doors in Florida and getting the results they wanted...no we will continue to do it the losing way, the way which we are in now...with us stomping our feet "OH my... those darn Republicans did it to us again. We'll get them next time"...at least we didn't go too far, my karma is intact.

BULLSHIT...you live and do it that way...Okay?

You know obviously nothing about fascism...Rove is a legitimate fascist..."more effective to use bricks & bats on fascist than biting satire in the Times", my friend.

I tried it your way all my life, no more.

[leesa]

16. That's RIGHT!!! Karl is responsible for any suffering his kid is

experiencing. I suspect the kid will also suffer when his father is in jail for treason against his country. Does that mean it should not happen?? What pure illogic!

Falling for Karl's crocodile tears! He probably slapped the kid across the face to make him cry for the sympathy vote.

[snippy]

29. Rove's concern for children reminds me of these two events.

First, the coprophagic freepers:

The DC Chapter of Free Republic was peacefully protesting at the White House today like they have done for the previous two years' of Saturdays.

At approximately 11:40 a.m., Angelwood spotted a casually dressed Joe Lockhart (White House Press Secretary) walking down the sidewalk outside the Northeast visitor's gate. He was holding the hand of a small girl and trying to blend in with the crowd.

Angelwood quickly turned to interrupt Kristinn in mid-speech. "Kristinn, I think that's Joe Lockhart," she said as she pointed him out.

Mr. Lockhart did his best to ignore the protesters - looking down at the pavement as he passed in front of them. When he was about 20 feet away, Kristinn called out to him, "Mr. Lockhart, would you trust that little girl alone with Bill Clinton?"

Lockhart continued walking for about ten paces when he suddenly stopped and urged the little girl to walk away. He turned to Kristinn and yelled, "Think about what you just said." Angelwood loudly interjected, "Yes, we do think about it. I believe Juanita," as Lockhart started to charge Kristinn.

Pointing his finger in Kristinn's face, Joe Lockhart stood just inches away and said, "First of all, you are scum." His finger was very close to Kristinn's nose and he was very intimidating to see. "Second, if you ever say anything like that around my daughter again, you and I will settle this."

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a39c401ae5142.htm

Second, Bush and Rove using smear tactics against McCain's daughter:

Arizona Sen. John McCain praised President Bush on Monday for denouncing former Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott's racially offensive comments last month, but said he regretted not challenging the president over racist tactics allegedly employed by Bush supporters during their showdown in the 2000 South Carolina primary.

McCain sounded uncomfortable while discussing the episode, which reportedly included attacks on his adopted Asian daughter using the "N" word. But the Arizona Republican made clear that he considered Bush responsible . . . .

http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2003/1/6/225209

[redqueen]

38. Wow

Joe Lockhart sounds like one hell of a guy based on that exchange. :)

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

75. Hear hear. I felt the sudden urge to buy him a beer. (nt)

[9215]

11. Well, somebody's sensitivities are going to

be crimped at some point.

A child crying hardly compares to what is going on in Iraq.

[ScreamingMeemie]

55. No one has listened to their yelling from afar. Good for them. As a Mom

I am positive Karl Rove would have no problem terrorizing and bringing our children to tears for the sake of his agenda...wait, he already has. My daughter has nightmares frequently.

[SemperEadem]

59. Rove only *said* they were crying... he was probably lying

they probably weren't even home at the time.

[Joanne98]

61. It's not a child it's spawn

When fighting monsters you have to be a monster. It's the only thing that works. They would do it to us.

[Melinda]

74. Rove's son Andrew is 14 years of age... when did he get a 10 yr old?

This is the first I've heard of another "child".

[RapidCreek]

78. Bull

No one has murdered his child, no one has bombed his childs home, no one has blown off the arms and legs of his child and no one has murdered the parents of his child. His child has been educated...by Mr. Rove and now is geing educated by the public.

George Seniors child was educated by George Bush senior....and not by the public. Thus Juniors grasp of accountability is nonexistant....and the public pays the price.

Mr. Roves offspring need to be aware that Mr. Roves campaign of hate against the public has some serious repercussions. Not only to that public but on a very personal level as well. His child is receiving that education. A painful lesson no doubt...but a valuable one.

RC

[Guaranteed]

86. You're right. This is wrong.

He's not Hitler (as much as he would like to be).

I'm not getting involved in any lynchings. Thanks.

[ronnykmarshall]

4. Welcome to the REAL world KKKarl

Remember how your goons protested at Gore's house?

Payback time!

[9215]

12. No kidding?

I'd like to see that story if you have a link.

Thanx

[Drifter]

5. Leave his family alone ...

Harrass the fucker the instant he leaves his property.

Cheers
Drifter

[skypilot]

7. Karl Rove has a child?!?!

That poor child. Imagine having that asshole for a dad.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

63. His kid will probably grow up to be

one helluva Democrat!

[cosmicdot]

10. so, he can afford to live in the Palisades neighborhood of DC

[9215]

14. Damn, this should be a regular if not daily event

Don't let the SOB sleep!

Go to the Palisades Citizens Association when it meets.

[KharmaTrain]

15. This Explains The WJ Freeper Call...

Some frantic lady (probably the same one that calls every day), went on about how Rove could be in danger as our national security is being so compromised by Clarke and us darn libruls.

I don't remember the exact words, but she alluded that things were getting so bad that Mr. Rove's being was being attacked. Anyone catch the call...I had to cough up a hairball.

[Stephanie]

18. Karl would have been the one who directed protestors to Gore's house

during the recount, don't you think? They were there day and night screaming 'get out of Cheney's house' for weeks.

These people are bullies and Rove's the biggest bully of them all and it's a known fact that bullies can dish it out but they CAN'T take it!

[Skip Intro]

19. I'm immediately suspicious

a symptom of the bush era, for sure, but my gut sez this smells like some rove-staged event.

Why, I have no idea. Maybe to generate sympathy for the bush gang, maybe to blow some air into their "godless libruls are mean and evil" balloon, maybe to try to take the media spotlight from the 9*11 failures (successes?), maybe just throwing their infected base a bone, I don't know.

But I can't help remembering the group of frauds trying to beat down the door in FLA screaming "stop the recount."

This smells, imho.

[Vickers]

33. I think yer right

Rove: "OK, when all of daddy's friends are out in the yard shouting, I want to to go to a window and start crying, OK?"

Kid: "You betcha, dad! And remember, you promised...if I do this, you'll buy me one of them talking Bush dolls in the flight suit, right?"

Rove: "It's a deal!"

[redqueen]

40. At least give the kid the benefit of the doubt

Don't assume it's following whatever it's parents have done. For all we know it may be aware of how badly the fruits of rove's labor have served this country.

[Vickers]

69. I was just joking

*meekly walks away from the thread*

[stopthegop]

25. wonderful!! people trespass and scare a child...

idiots!!

[el_gato]

26. gimme a break, KKKarl Rove is helping destroy america

and your complaining about some people who actually go out and
give this bastard some grief

IF he didn't want his kid to be upset maybe he oughta stop fucking up this country.

on edit: SO MUCH FOR STOPPINGTHEGOP!

[stopthegop]

27. you're no better than you accuse them of being

if you behave this way....and such behavior does nothing to get a cause or group taken seriously...

[DemLikr]

34. Such behavior got George Bush* in the White House

Nice guys always finish last.

Unleash the whirlwind!

[redqueen]

39. No, you're thinking of the riot to stop the vote-counting

Freepers acting like idiots outside of Gore's house did nothing to help bush.

[el_gato]

43. yeah right, ha ha, "please mr. rove please stop destroying america"

that'll do it

it's time people started raising hell
and if rove gets his feelings hurt BOO FUCKING HOO!

[histohoney]

41. So

your OK with breaking the law, terrorizing children?
No your not, thats what Rove is doing and your pissed at it.
Now your OK with it.
I know what that is, it's a hypocrite.

Friends the only time I get angry is when people feel justified in harming children. Rove is his own jerk, what do you realistically think his kid can do about that? NOTHING. Go after dad at the office, in letters, in the VOTE. All this does is make us look like we are cut from the same cloth as Rove.

If we want a better world it starts with US (Yes that means me too).
That means saying no to wrong works, even when it satisfies a baser emotion, revenge. Tell me how revenge on a child makes the world a better place? Now that child and others will grow up to hate and or fear us, how are we to build a better world with that. (Yes I know thats what Rove is doing, but now so are YOU, again the same cloth)

I know we can do better, it's in us, fight the cheep easy way and go for the right way. Teach this to our children, not fear and intimidation, not callousness. Teach the things we are struggling for, not this.

Rise to the top or wallow with the pigs.

[wettap]

48. AMEN to that!

Acting like an ass, breaking the law, and terrorizing a child is no way to endear the Democratic Party to the 1/3 of voters who routinely vote for neither the Democratic nor Republican Party.

The voter might forget about jobs, healthcare, Iraq, the economy or a host of other issues. But they don't forget an innocent kid, (no matter who their parent is) crying because some fanatic was screaming in his window.

We cannot gain the White House by alienating swing voters. Or is "Ideological Purity" the goal? If that is the case, we can forget about leading this country. I can understand the mood of those who oppose Rove and the Republicans, but that doesn't excuse boorish behavior and harrasing a child. Even if the Republicans/Conservatives do it.

[sangh0]

30. So you believe Rove?

Rove is the only one claiming that a child was scared.

Why do you believe Rove?

[stopthegop]

35. because it's entirely plausible given the described situation

[el_gato]

44. you reap what you sow, and rove has sown hatred

so he deserves to be hated and ridiculed

[redqueen]

46. No one is saying he doesn't

But does his child deserve it as well - does it somehow not matter if children are scared since it's democrats doing the scaring? That's what some here seem to be saying. i.e. 'too bad the kid was scared!'

[sangh0]

49. What child was frightened?

Why would anyone believe Rove when he is a proven liar?

[DemLikr]

31. This is the candy-ass, nicey-nice approach that give Pukes the upper hand

Karl Rove is reaping what he has sown...let him deal with it.

[9215]

68. Yep. You hit it! nt

[Guaranteed]

87. Nope. This is our moral authority. This is what makes us RIGHT,

and them wrong.

Don't lynch people.

[SemperEadem]

62. you only have Rove's word that that happened

and he's a known liar and crook.

Funny how one would rather put stock in the rantings of a liar going down.

I, for one, do not believe this story. Perhaps Rove needs to explain to his offspring that he was big and bad enough to help inact policy that not only put this country in an illegal war, but strips the general American public of their consitutional rights, and that now, he has to MAN-UP and face the consequences of his actions in which he was proud to take part.

It wouldn't be so gottamn bad if Bush didn't have a bunch of wussies working for him... none of them are man enough to stand in their truth and take responsiblity for what they've wrought---Richard Clarke is the only man in that administration. The fact that he manned-up and apologized to the families for failing them shows the exact Christian approach when you have greviously offended someone. None of the rest of them are adult enough to take their ass whippin' for what they've done. There are no men in the White House. Just lying wussies.

[johnlr6]

82. Hey, Stop! Parse this for me--

All's fair in love and war.

And, of course you know, this IS war?

[wettap]

85. About this war...

...do you want to win it? Or do you think that this "all's fair" attitude is worth 4 more years of Bush if we alienate swing voters with these antics?

"All's fair" makes for great rhetoric, but what will be the cost? The Democratic Party needs Centrist/Moderate and swing voters if we are going to beat Bush in '04. The "activist Left" wing of our Party does not constitute 50.01% of the voting public.

[tom_paine]

28. Eichmann had children, too. It was said he was a doting father.

So?

[DemLikr]

32. And wouldn't it be RUDE to peek in the winows of the Eichmann home?

We Dems must at all time maintain proper decorum and respect the rules of etiquette and polite society...while the Republicans take no prisoners, renounce no tactic, and win once again.

Not any more...

[tom_paine]

36. Yeah, it would be rude

GOOD.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

45. It's time for the Dems to define the rules of play

Look where being polite got Gore. It's time to get mean. You should have been at the Boston protest when Bush was in town-lots of angry liberals and union people. The dozen freepers/pro-Bush supporters had to cross the street and go tell the cops they were being picked on. :cry:

They can dish it out but they can't take it.

[Guaranteed]

88. Eichmann deserved a lynching. Rove doesn't. nt

[bacchant]

42. I'm surprised Karl's got a kid but

hey it's spring even a turd's got to blossom.

[Catherine Vincent]

47. As I posted on the other board,

I disagree that the protestors stormed his home. I think there should be a law against protesting a person's home.

[thebigidea]

50. yeah, we don't want any one protesting near the White House!

[tigereye]

51. let's not become what we hate

There are other and better ways to get to Rove....

[Catherine Vincent]

54. That would be the only exception. Wherever the workplace is

located, that's where the protesting should be held.

[SemperEadem]

66. No, it is fine just as it is

by your reasoning, it should be wrong for parents in a neighborhood to protest outside the home of a known child molester who has moved in.

[Catherine Vincent]

84. Well it is wrong, if the known molester has a family.

[DinahMoeHum]

52. They should have called him a weenie and a pussy

while they were at it.

:kick:

[camero]

53. The utter hypocracy in this thread

We give lip service to those who have been beaten down by the Bush Admin and when they decide to fight back against their oppressors, some here denounce it. Give the protesters credit for standing up for themselves. Pushing paper isn't going to knock the Brownshirts out.

[VOX]

56. Well said, camero!

You've got to fight the evil with fang and claw.

:toast:

[histohoney]

57. To become

the NEW brown shirt, evil. Congratulate the Freepers, there is now no difference from them and you, they win.

[camero]

58. Oh yes

What if the Founding Fathers made "nicey-nice" with King George III?
Or the French revolutionaries made "nicey-nice" with Marie Antoinette?

The biggest weapon we have is that we now know WHERE HE LIVES. and he knows it now.

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[camero]

67. And MLK

Never got people to just push paper. He got them out into the streets and protested the oppression that they were dealing with. And if it weren't for the American revolutionaries, you wouldn't have the freedom to spout your nonsense.

A future of groveling for crumbs is no future at all. What do you suggest? Ask them to stop raping us?

[histohoney]

72. MLK

NEVER advocated terrorist tactics.
Dr. King was a man with answers. Boycotts,PEACEFUL demonstrations,letter writing campaigns, seeking out help from politicians, media, churches the ACLU,students.. the list goes on.
Dr. King pushed ALOT of paper, so did his followers. They took to the streets PEACEFULLY, Dr. King never sought out to scare and threaten any ones family and children. How could you equate such a good man to such monstrous actions. Dr. King used his brain and his heart, not his fists and hate.
I don't intend on going for crumbs,nor do I intend on harming others. YOU may only see one choice, I see many. I fight with reason and with hope and my VOTE and the votes of others.
I said the American revolution was CENTURIES ago. Yes I like my freedom to have my say, you like your say as well, what I say is we should have advanced some since then. Go forward not back.
If looking for a peaceful, purposeful way to deal with conflicts is silly then call me silly, I'll ware it proudly. My way does not conclude with the death of some one just because I disagree with them.

[camero]

73. It wasn't just King that did it.

It was the numbers of people that were out in the streets. Millions. I ask again what do we do? Ask them to stop? And just who is Rove to be insulated from the very policies that he is responsible for?

Sometimes you just have to fight fire with fire. The fool should have known it was coming.

[histohoney]

76. I am not talking about Rove

Plow his office under with letters. Talk to every one you know, write letters tie up the phone lines, write letters to the editor about Rove's deeds. Get the message out.
I am talking terrorist activities. I am talking about assaulting some ones home and terrorizing their family. "OH they just made one kid cry, because of his father he deserved it.", Thats monstrous behavior. No child anywhere deserves to be tormented. Rove's kids didn't asked to be the Jerks kids but boy many here are ready to punish the poor kid just for being.
I am no Rove fan, never will be. I am a fan of thoughtful approach. I follow the law and expect others too also. If I condone lawlessness, I only breed it, and endanger many.
"OH, just this one jerk." This always leads to a next one. Then the Freepers call out for the same retaliation. When does it stop. When you've had enough, or when they've had enough. Maybe we start a civil war that lasts for decades. Just a vicious cycle until enough people call for a stop.
You have to choose.
I choose peace and law and work toward it's effect with education and reason and not chaos. You what I do? Letters, education, I drive people to the polls, I answer phones,etc.. a million little things I show my child. I can disagree with some one and not want to harm them.
I will not become evil to fight evil, evil then can be the only victor.

[camero]

77. They fear the masses

and it is only the masses that will turn this around. Let them fear.
My god, you actually think these people are just going to walk away because of little slips of paper don't you?

[histohoney]

79. No

I think educating people will send them out of power. I think getting the word out will. I think people willing to vote will. I think people willing to work phone banks and driving people to polls will.I think people willing to work info booths, I think people willing to do the hard work in the trenches will. I think lawful PEACEFUL protests will.
I think making people afraid us will not. How will the Dem. party look to voters if they come off as frighting bullies, they'll look just like freepers and people will vote for Nadar.
I am so sorry friend but it's time to pick up my kid. If you would like to insult me, make rude personal remarks about me, could you save it till tomorrow?
It has been interesting:hi:

[camero]

80. Rude to ask you a question?

Tell me the same when the freeps come for you. And it will happen.

[SemperEadem]

90. you're basing your entire argument upon believing what Rove said

there is no proof his children were even at home..

you're basing your whole argument on the word of a known liar... not too sound.

[camero]

94. You're right

This whole thing could merely be propaganda designed to portray the average joes as animals. I shouldn't have been so harsh. It just pisses me off when we see cops beating up legitimate protesters and people say nothing but when the shoe is on the other foot they denounce the ones fighting back.

[Donkeyboy75]

125. Terrorist tactics?

Come on, now. Yes, they trespassed, but that was their only crime. I think they should have stayed on the sidewalk/street, but trespassing does not make someone a terrorist.

This was a peaceful demonstration. I would imagine the children were crying because "the mean people didn't like his daddy."

[wettap]

70. Really?

Even if by fighting evil, we become evil ourselves?

If by protesting Rove at his home we win this small battle, does the end "really" justify the means... if we lose the war? By alienating the vast middle of this country, we do a disfavor to ourselves. The fringe of neither Party cannot make a majority enough without the Centrists and Moderates. If we alienate them, we cut off our nose to spite our face.

Now, this "Idiological Purity" might make some feel good, but it isn't going to do anything but give a bit of schadenfreude to the rabid Bush-haters in our Party, outrage Republicans and their media lapdogs, and completely turn off swing voters.

Do we really want to risk another 4 years of Bush, just because we want to piss off Karl Rove and see/hear him lamenting his crying child on CNN? Don't think that he won't produce some teary eyed kid telling the fawning cameramen from FoxNews how "scared" he was...

[camero]

71. Some of these "swing voters"

will actually see what Bush and gang are making this country. Like a South American craphole. IIRC, the tide turned on Bush I when the LA riots showed America that we were turning into a third world country.

Of course they let them burn their own neighborhood but when talk of them going to Beverly Hills, the National Guard was called immediately. Who is Rove to be insulated from the very policies that he enacts?

[wettap]

97. these "swing voters" won't remember...

...who Karl Rove is, come November. But they will remember hoards of activists harrassing a teary eyed child when Rove plays this for all it's worth. Do we what to be known as a respository for "heartless bastards" who can justify tormenting a child, just because of who his father is? Are we embracing the antics of bullies now? Just look at some of the more outrageous quotes in this thread! Do you think that some of them won't be used against the Democrats by the various media pundits?

I have no love for Karl Rove. But we are shooting ourselves in the foot by embracing this "fight fire with fire" attitude. It might make some in the Party feel good to see Karl Rove pissed off, but when he starts up the propaganda machine and shows some angry activists and fades to a teary eyed kid, do you think that Middle America is going to embrace the Democratic Party?

Lets try to think past our hatred of Bush/Rove et.al. and keep our sights on the prize. We can win this by focusing on our positives, exposing their negatives, and leaving the kids/private property antics out of it. The activist Left of the Democratic Party won't be able to get 51% of the vote. We can't afford to dismiss the votes of Moderates/Centrists.

[camero]

98. And those "moderates"

have no problem with the Upper class raping the poor. It's about time they woke up because they are next.

[wettap]

121. So we resign ourselves to 4 more years of Bush...

...because we need be more "militant" in our dealings with Bush/Rove et.al.?

No thanks. I think we could stick to the message without alienating those we need. Harrassing Rove and his family at home serves NO purpose other than to fill a few activist hearts with some temporary glee.

Theres the wake up call.

[camero]

123. Not alienating those we "need"

is what got us 30 years of Repub rule. There's no sense in denying the anger that is out there. The time for fun and games is over.

[redqueen]

60. Wow I was totally thrown in the wrong direction by your subject line

When you said utter hypocracy, I thought you were talking about how people denounced the repubs intrusion on Gore, but were now advocating the same thing.

Oops! Guess we'll just agree do disagree this time, then. :)

[camero]

64. We just disagree on tactics is all

It probably will be made out in the media that the protesters were "animals" but let's not forget that we are not dealing with nice people. And that these people laugh at and push away protesters

I think we have won the psychological battle with this. We can agree to disagree. From what I've read, it just made a child cry and noone was hurt.

We can agree to disagree. :) Peace.

[Guaranteed]

89. It sounded like a near-lynching, to me.

That should be reserved for the Hitler's and Stalin's.

[camero]

91. First they came for the homosexuals

And I did nothing because I wasn't a homosexual.
Then they came for the handicapped, and I did nothing because I wasn't handicapped.
Then they came for the gypsys and I did nothing because I wasn't a gypsy.
Then they came for me, and there was noone left.

Just when do we say enough is enough and would you feel differently if they just stayed on the sidewalk? It was nowhere near a lynching.

[Guaranteed]

92. We'll know when it's time for a lynching.

Let's hold off on pulling that trigger for awhile though, K?

[camero]

95. We didn't pull the trigger

We just let them know that we could. A huge difference.

[Guaranteed]

101. They were threatening him

by being in his yard. You seem to agree with that. But, what good folks. They only made a threat. They didn't string him up.

Look- 300 people screaming at you from your office parking lot is a protest.

300 people screaming at you from your home's FRONT YARD? That's a LYNCHING.

That is his HOME. It's off limits. Leave it alone until you ARE going to pull the trigger, and have a reason to do so. Don't make threats unless you're prepared to back them up.

[camero]

102. How is protesting his policies a lynching?

Just because they were in the yard. I guess you would denounce someone taking a shortcut in your yard to go to the store. Again I ask, would it have been better if they were just on the sidewalk?

And answer the question this time, eh? Oh and BTW, I believe he also works from home. Which also makes it his place of work.

[Guaranteed]

104. 300 people yelling at you in your front yard is a lynching.

Protests have to be in a public place. Like YOU SAID, by going to his home they were SHOWING HIM THAT THEY COULD KILL HIM IF THEY WANTED TO. That's a THREAT.

[camero]

105. It's dissent

I see we might have a problem with that. Answer the question.

[Guaranteed]

107. I answered your question.

Either find a rationale for threatening him by going on his property, or give it up.

[camero]

108. He is a public figure

and also works from home. So even the sidewalk with a permit is not ok, eh?

Edit: My rationale is his wanton destruction of millions of American and Iraqi families. How about those?

[Guaranteed]

110. His home isn't public.

And, no, rioting on the sidewalk in a residential area isn't alright, either.

People aren't given the right to threaten this man simply on the grounds that he's a public figure and they don't like him.

[camero]

112. I love this strawman argument

Well. let's just wait for him to leave the driveway. BTW, the sidewalk is not his property. There's a little something called the right of way. You'll see it when you have the blueprints of your property.

[Guaranteed]

113. You're confusing two different issues.

The first is them going on his property to terrorize him- that's clearly wrong.

The second is making noise on the sidewalk. That's a tougher one. That's a lot of people's neighborhood, you know. They deserve peace and quiet. You can't play music at 120 decibels for any length of time in your house without getting the cops called on you. Similarly, you shouldn't be able to have a group of 300 people yelling for hours on end.

That's not to say that they shouldn't be able to show up and yell for a short peroid of time. They should be able to. But they have to keep it to a minimum, then break it up. AND THEY CAN'T GO ON HIS PROPERTY, because that's a threat.

[camero]

114. And believing everything you read in the paper

said by a known liar is not confusing the issue? And from what I've read, they did go home.
And you can't shoot anyone that is in your yard, they have to be inside.

[noiretextatique]

100. they protested outside his house...that's not a 'NEAR-LYNCHING'

so please stop saying that.

[Guaranteed]

103. Yes, it is.

300 people screaming at you in your front yard is a LYNCHING.

That's his home...he should be safe there. Those who went on his property were deliberately threatening him.

Protests belong in public areas, not people's homes.

[sangh0]

109. It's NOT A LYNCHING

It's a HOLOCAUST

(Why put an artificial limit on your hysteria? If you're going to exaggerate, you might as well invoke Godwin's Law. Let's re-write your post)

300 people screaming at you in your front yard is a HOLOCAUST.

That's his home...he should be safe there. Those who went on his property were deliberately threatening him with genocide.

Protests belong in public areas, not people's homes.

[Guaranteed]

111. How about a bodyless mini-holocaust?

Sounds about right.

[noiretextatique]

115. this is a lynching (warning: GRAPHIC AND DISTURBING IMAGE)

the intent of those protestors was to TALK, not hang him by the neck.
personally...i don't think they should have gone to his house, but it was not a "lynching."

[Guaranteed]

117. By going to his house they were threatening him

I could even say "terrorizing" him.They were trying to show him that he could be "gotten to." That's the only reason to go to someone's house. You don't get three hundred screaming people together on someone's lawn without understanding that you're threatening them.

[Karenina]

119. He NEEDS to be shown

that he can be "gotten to." His looney bull "gets to" people DAILY.

[noiretextatique]

120. as i said...it's not a lynching

glad you agree. i doubt he was "terrorized" by SCHOOLCHILDREN, for pete's sake.
it's more likely he was embarrassed...and BUSTED.
still...as we see here, this was not the best move, because some will be sympathetic to rove.

[qanda]

65. Hated it!

Very mean-spirited and unnecessary. How does this help their cause? Banging on his windows and disturbing people who have nothing to do with this. It's absolutely ridiculous to think that this is an effective way to get a point across. I teach my children to respect other people's property and I cannot believe that someone would encourage children to act in this manner. I think it's just ridiculous.

[polazarus]

83. I am someone who

Subscribes to the peaceful protest. I think going to someones residence and attacking ones family is stepping over the line. I think that every time this happens. The people that protested at Gores house were just as wrong as the people over at Roves house. There is a time and a place for peaceful protest and banging on ones windows is not one of them.

[Catherine Vincent]

96. I agree.

[yankeedem]

106. I don't give a damn about Rove's kid

His kid won't have to fight in the war that his father is promoting.
His kid won't have to starve because his father can't find a job because of the lousy economy
His kid won't have to forego college because college grant and loan funding has been cut off by his father's administration.
His kid will have a job waiting for him in the private sector, where he can become president despite being an utter failure at everything. You know, like Dad's boss.

When my kids and yours have those opportunities, I'll worry about his kid's hurt feelings.

[ramblin_dave]

116. Are we sure this wasn't a Rove dirty trick?

It's just the kind of thing he would do and a classic dirty trick. Remember the Miami-Dade "uprising" during the 2000 election recount?

[ibegurpard]

118. Does anyone who thinks this is a good idea

also agree that anti-abortion protestors should be able to protest doctors who provide abortions at their homes?

[wettap]

122. Good Point. (NT)

[actionangel]

124. Direct action is not terrorism

Hi, this is my first time to this site. As someone who was part of National People's Action and was with the group that went to Karl Rove's house and later to Secretary Ann Veneman's house, I thought i would share with you all a few things. First, we have been doing direct action for 33 years. These are always peaceful protests. The paper had it wrong, no one banged on the house or windows. Secret service was there and we couldn't get that close. Folks were mainly on the street and sidewalk and some in his driveway. This is a very disciplined group. I have participated in or helped organize hundreds of direct actions over the past several years and no one has ever terrorized, vandalized or done anything violent in any way. The Boston Tea Party was more violent than this.

Besides, secret service was there within minutes and no one could get close enough to his house even if we wanted to. No one terrorized his children.

Also, many of his neighbors actually agreed with us and came out and supported us (same thing happened at Veneman's house). In addition, if you look at National People's Action's history, you will see that our grassroots organizing which includes direct action, has resulted in some of the biggest social, economic and environmental changes in recent decades.

This includes the Community Reinvestment Act which requires banks to make loans to minorities, getting several major lenders, including Citigroup to come to the table and change their predatory lending practices - resulting in millions of dollars back to customers who were taken advantage of, jobs in our local communities, and many other big victories.

Going to someone's home is usually a last resort tactic. After several months or longer of trying to do things the nice way. The bottom line is, if being "nice" fails you have to turn up the heat sometimes to bring them to the table.

These tactics are very similar to the lunch counter sit-ins of the 60's and the marches on DC, Rosa Parks refusing to give up her seat on the bus, actions by the Pullman Porters Union and more.

We're talking about small farmers from Iowa, school teachers from Cleveland, Youth from Wichita, Latino immigrants from Chicago, people of all racist, religions, and ethnic backgrounds joining together from across the US. this isn't terrorism or lynching this is democracy in action. This is what our country was built on and what the Bush administration is trying to take away from us.

It's a sad day when people on the right side of things marginalize people when they finally stand up and take action. that's why change is slow to happen.

Also, as far as his kids, We saw him, not his kid(s), so I don't know if they were crying. However, in past actions we've taken, such as at former HUD head, Andrew Cuomo's, his kids came out and chanted with us. usually the kids and neighbors think it is fun and get a kick out of it. If you are actually there, it is clear and easy to tell, it is nonviolent and not terrorism.