I hope they end up having a gay child, these people are SAD

[ShaneGR]

Rev. Stephen Carpenter, a fourth generation Episcopal priest from Memphis, consoles Jeannie Johnson, wife of Bishop Don Johnson of the West Tennessee diocese after the House of Bishops of the Episcopal Church confirmed Rev. V. Gene Johnson of New Hampshire as the first openly gay bishop of the church Tuesday, Aug. 5, 2003 in Minneapolis. Carpenter and Johnson were opposed to the confirmation. (AP Photo/Jim Mone)

[Adamocrat]

1. Don't wish that on some poor child!!!

As the offspring of two bigots, I can assure you that you'd only be punishing the child.

Cheers,
ADAM

[thom1102]

16. Mary Cheney turned out ok.

:evilgrin:

[jab105]

22. only because...

it's all words until you HAVE a gay child, then you realize that they aren't evil, it isn't a bad thing, it's just the way they are (or should I say most parents do, and for the others, it really sucks for the kids)...

[Junkdrawer]

2. I hope, for the sake of the kid, they don't...

Can you imagine the "therapy" that kid would be subjected to?

[gratuitous]

3. And yet, the sun came up again today!

A gay man was confirmed as an Episcopal bishop for the first time ever (yeah, right), and the world didn't come to an end. I'm sure Mr. Carpenter and Mrs. Johnson were shocked by that.

By the way (and I only say this because I'm thoroughly evil), why is Mrs. Johnson seeking solace in the arms of Mr. Carpenter, and not from her husband?

[Booberdawg]

5. Looks like innappropriate touching to me!

:evilgrin:

[IggleDoer]

38. By a Heterosexual, no less!

Heaven forbid

[Mixxster]

7. Good point

By the way (and I only say this because I'm thoroughly evil), why is Mrs. Johnson seeking solace in the arms of Mr. Carpenter, and not from her husband?

And I hope (because I'm also thoroughly evil) that Mr. Carpenter is investigated for inappropriate touching since this is a hell of a lot more intimate than Gene Robinson touching some guy's upper back and forearm.

[Mixxster]

9. No fair, Booberdawg

I got delayed while posting and you beat me to the punch.

[thom1102]

15. it was the first thing that jumped into my mind

[RedSox02]

Oh what an evil man that RObinson is!!!!

Did he kill anyone? Torture anyone? Does he steal? Did he kill their(the couple above) children? No. He lives with another man. As an Episcopalian I will not say who does or doesn't belong in the church. I am fine with the fact that some obvioulsy have very different political beliefs than I. However these people really need to get a life. Bishop Robinson will not cause any harm to them.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

4. Why? Why? Why?

Why are these two people so upset that a good man has been made a Bishop? The fact that he is gay signifies NOTHING that these two people need to be upset about.

I would like them to meet my friens, The Openly Gay Episcopal Priest, whose congregation adores him in an unqualified manner, and who is respected throughout the area. As a former chaplain for a large police force, the police in this area even think the world of him and he is always there for them.

Why is it always a concern about how a person loves? Isn't it more important, these days, that someone is capable of love? God knows that there is no shortage of broken toys that are incapable of the emotion.

[Cheswick2.0]

6. they don't deserve a gay child

thought it would be a blessing and a lesson to them.

[JitterbugPerfume]

8. the CHURCH does not deserve

this gay Priest

he is way to good for those bigots

[searchingforlight]

12. A gay child doesn't deserve them.

[ronnykmarshall]

21. Look at her HAIR!

She could use a gay kid to fix that birds nest. :silly:

But I agree, a gay child should not have to live with bigots.

[sable302]

10. they are sad

because they are wondering if they in good conscience can stay with a church that they have invested their life and vocation in. I think that if the tables were turned and the conservatives were dictating that gays, women and divorced men could no longer be priests, I would be feeling the same way. It's all about perspective and theological position, and balancing the ideal of church unity with the notion that by participating in such unity, one is not undermining his or her own deeply and sincerely held belief.


It's just that I don't think the two in the photo should be mocked because they are the 'losers' this time. If these and others of their position leave the church over this, we'll all lose, and that' my deeply and sincerely held belief.

Mocking in place of compassion only encouraged division.

[searchingforlight]

13. I agree with you.

I believe it is a decision of conscience.

The Episcopal Church has made tough decisions before and will continue to do so. Some will leave. Most will stay. Change requires a little trimming of the edges.

[Booberdawg]

14. people were sad when Blacks could sit at the front of the bus

they were wrong too

[sable302]

19. ok 'dawg

so they're wrong, just like the segregationists were wrong. I just don't want to see the other side denigrated because A. It's in poor taste, B. It encourages division at a time when the church (and society) needs to find a way to reconcile our attitudes toward homosexuality, particularly gay marriage, in as respectful a way as possible.

Would it have helped if, after segregation ended, we took all the bigoted white folk and made them sit at the back of the bus for a while or use the 'colored' restroom or whatever? My gut says no it wouldn't have helped, in fact it would have been hypocritical, and I don't believe that it will help things for us to trash on the very people who are most sincerely hurt by this latest church decision.

And yes they are hurting, and my heart goes out to them, though I agree with the bishops and deputies in their decision and will keep the Reverend Gene Robinson, as well as his opponents, in my prayers.

[Booberdawg]

34. OK

We agree they are wrong, and your point is that it isn't productive to rub their noses in it. You're right of course. But I guess I don't see it particularly reasonable, either, to expect the initial reaction of those on the other side of the issue to be as objective and understanding. They have a right to blow off steam.

Seems like a pretty natural reaction to me. And you are suggesting a level of understanding and compassion towards those on the losing end of this issue that has not been demonstrated to those on the other side of the issue - the ones who were on the fair side of the issue, afterall.

dawg
;)

[glarius]

11. Bishop Robinson is the one acting like a TRUE Christian...on CNN this

morning I saw him in an interview...He FORGAVE the man who falsely accused him...That is how true a Christian should behave, in my opinion....He comes across to me as a kind, caring person who will be nothing but a benefit to the Episcopal Church....They're lucky to have him...IMO.

[DemLikr]

17. Puh-leeeease...his big fake pouty-pout face for the camera is too much

I guess these two are A-OK with closeted Episcopal priests, you know, folks who LIE about who they are?

what dipshits.

[arcane1]

18. I'm glad all the starving, diseased, and abused/neglected...

I'm glad all the starving, diseased, and abused/neglected children are all taken care of now, so that all we have to feel bad about is THIS!


A gay man loves Jesus, Jesus loves him, and all the others can do is HATE

[skudros]

29. Have you ever heard the Phrase:

Hate the sin, love the sinner

They see homosexuality as a sin, they dont hate this man, they just dont think its right to have an unrepentant sinner as a bishop. I hate how some always use the word "hate"

[xchrom]

33. when you are talking about gay people

and you use the phrase hate the sin love the sinner -- and mean it -- you are an unmitigated bigot.
and in this case in particular it's more hateful -- all, every one falls short of the grace god. repentant or otherwise. gay hate -- gay sin is a man made construct -- and the efforts of people to turn the bible into a thing of stone. it's a story -- a metaphor -- living, breathing and changing with each generation.

[skudros]

35. How could you say that the "gay sin"

is a man made construct and say, the stories about Jesus are not? This is assuming you are christian, if you not im sorry
Shalom

[skudros]

36. Its just a hypothetical, dont think that I actually believe it

Shalom

[silverlib]

42. I've heard it before

and I think the REPUGS must have thought it up. It's set up for a nice way to use bigotry.

I don't wish any harm on the people who worked hard to have this man not become a Bishop - only enlightment and love.

[jonnyblitz]

20. aww..breaks my heart to see sad bigots.

boo hoo.

[maxanne]

23. that's a shitty wish

don't punish some kid because they are bigots. Wish their genitals fall off. Wish that Jesus comes back and kicks their nasty bigoted asses from here to Montana. Wishing something that will cause suffering to a gay person is hardly fair.

[SyracuseDemocrat]

25. Montana is not full

of bigots. The state with the largest number of bigots is Pennsylvania.

[maxanne]

37. I didn't say it was

it was the distance and the terrain that were appealing for the kickfest.

Please try not to read between unwritten lines.

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[matt819]

24. Their childen aside. . .

what's important here is to realize that the people pictured here, and those who voted against Gene Robinson are perpetuating bigotry and hatred. I am troubled by the messages that these bigots will send out from their pulpits this Sunday and beyond. It does a disservice to Robinson and to their flock.

[zls44]

26. I've got an idea

Why don't these right-wing religious types take this energy and invest it in investigating CHILD MOLESTING PIRESTS, which this Bishop is NOT.

Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones!

[skudros]

31. read my other post on this topic

seeing the bible in the literal sense and not wanting a "UNREPENTANT sinner"(this is their interpretation not mine) in a position of moral leadership, does not make them bigots, in their mind it would be like electing a bigamist who still has the 2nd wife or a Orhtodox Jewish (to give me something i can relate to better)congregation who lets a rabbi pass boards who regularly eats pork chops in plain view of everyone in his congrgation..


Shalom

[Blue-Jay]

27. Did anyone see Falwell yesterday on TV

He was talking about this on either Faux News or MSNBC. What a prick. Every time he opens his gelatinous gob, I want to reach through the TV and punch every one of his chins.

[skudros]

28. Pretty Angry

This man is a minister of God, he believes firmly in the admonishions present in both the OLD and NEW testament against homosexuality, he sees this confimation as approving an unrepentant sinner to be a leader of a HUGE flock of believers, and you are saying ridiculous sophmoric #@*& like "I hope they have a gay son". And just to clarify, Im not a Christian (Im a convert to Judaism), Im a pro-civil unions and pro-adoption and I oppose the Boy scouts policy, and my best friend and roomate of 4 years in college was gay (and i took alot of shit for him because im in the Navy), but to imply that Rev. Carpenter should just lay aside his faith and accept something that he sees as unacceptable in his faith is rude and indecent.

Sorry for the Rant.

Shalom

[maxanne]

40. maybe Skudros

it would be a good thing for the good reverand to open his tiny dogma filled mind.

These narrow minded "men of God" thought the world was going to come to an end when women began to be ordained. Here we all still are.

This too shall pass. Maybe these people should have to confront their fears and prejudices instead of having them pandered to.

[skudros]

41. All im saying

Is I can see where hes coming from, Ya know?

Shalom

[skudros]

32. BUMP

eom

[Stephanie]

39. I wonder why that priest is touching a woman who is not his wife???

I find that picture really disturbing.