the Jon Stewart Show presented a Strong Possibility of LIHOP

[slinkerwink]

I watched the second rebroadcast of tonight's Stewart show, and it seemed like Stewart was so obviously disgusted with Rice, and the reaction on his face about the title of the August 6th PDB really was telling. What do you think?

[slinkerwink]

1. kick for the god that Stewart is....

[BattyDem]

50. When he heard the title of the Aug. 6th PDA and said ...

"Are you f*cking kidding me? Are you f*cking kidding me??"

I was ROFLMAO because when I heard her say the title during her testimony, I reacted the same way!

[tedoll78]

2. Jon is such an intellectual dream.

Whenever I watch him, I begin to dream about what a Jon Stewart News Network would look like. Imagine that.. :loveya:

[slinkerwink]

4. I'm almost in love with Jon myself...

;-)

[question everything]

3. More of incompetent than LIHOP

but then, what's new?

And, yes, he had a great juxtaposition of Rice's testimony and the questions by the committee members.

[Lindsey]

5. It's on in L.A. now

and he IS incredible! I loved the Lucitania (?) line. This is one of his best shows ever. It's SO validating. Thank God for him.

[noiretextatique]

46. incompetence = LIHOP, if not MIHOP

incompetence is no excuse.

[grannylib]

6. I taped it for Hubby and watched it twice, his reaction was just so

dead-on...
HOW the fuck anyone can believe ANYTHING that this administration says is beyond me...

[slinkerwink]

7. I know----that was my reaction too!

[sadiesworld]

8. He really hammered Rice.

More relentless than usual, IMO.

LIHOP :shrug: I thought Tweety was on the verge of LIHOP earlier myself. It may just be that once the facts are laid bare, Bushco's negligence looks so bizarre...we think LIHOP.

I run hot and cold on the L/MIHOP issue myself.

[ktranz]

9. i have a sickness

I have the yern to throw up whenever I see Bush, Cheney, Rice, Powell, Ashcroft and that newly face bitch Karen Hughes is on TV. Should I sue them?

[newyawker99]

42. Hi ktranz!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[9215]

54. LOL! Sounds like grounds for a

class action suit. :bounce:

Welcome to DU

:toast:

[madrchsod]

10. i think bush is in trouble

big trouble. as an adult you can`t hide behind the -"the other guy did`nt do anything why should i?" he doesn`t want to take responsibility for his failures and this time he can`t have his dad bail him out..
a case study of the bush family dynamics would be a worthy doctoral thesis,wouldn`t it?

[Zomby Woof]

11. all that and a soccer player at W&M College

[slinkerwink]

14. soooo cuuuuuute....

:loveya:

[mouse7]

17. My best friend's brother could have hung out with Jon Stewart...

...instead of the doper that talked him into dropping out of school and joining the Hare Krishnas with him.

They're the same age. They would have been at William and Mary at the same time. It's not that big a school. They would have had to have at least a passing acquaintance... well... Brad probably doesn't have many brain cells left anyway. He may not even remember he went to William and Mary by now.

Damn fool.

[latebloomer]

36. My mom and his mom were friends

Her name is Marian Leibowitz and she's a very well-respected educational consultant. Used to work for the public schools, but for years now she's been travelling around giving seminars and workshops. Good lady.

[burythehatchet]

18. where did you dig that up from?

looks like one of my college buddies.

[Zomby Woof]

39. Google rocks

A simple search for Jon Stewart will yield this pic. I used to live within an hour of W&M at the time he went there, but I was just a sprout in junior high or so, and can't say we hung out, lol.

Stewart is the best anchor on television, but the "official" media would never admit it because of how shameful it would be for them to confess that the best news show out there is on a comedy station, presented in a comedic format. It was always the jesters who could get away with telling the truth about the king, which makes you realize things haven't changed all that much.

Plus, he gives Lewis Black a forum, and just for that I am grateful. :-)

[REP]

49. Actually, Some 'Official Media" Does Give Stewart His Due

New York Times, Columbia Journalism Review and The Nation are three that come to mind right away. Hell, Edwards announced his candidacy on the Daily Show!

[Zomby Woof]

53. those are real media

I was mocking MSNBC, Fox, CNN, et all, with the word 'official' in quotes.

I have that Nation article, but then, they are lefties so I expect them to love Jon like most of us.

[5thGenDemocrat]

52. I was at Fort Monroe, not far from W & M, in 1974-76

I spent a little off-duty time around the William and Mary campus back then. Of course, if you're a history buff that whole part of Virginia is great.
John
There was a gas station across from the campus called "Middle Earth Sunoco." For some reason, that's the first thing I remember when I think of Williamsburg.

[juajen]

12. It was absolutely fantasic

What a guy! Showed her testimony for what it was. I was incensed at the talking heads and the kudos they were giving her today. I'm glad that nightline had on Richard Clarke. Interesting that she didn't even try to refute what Clarke had said. I think her 30 minute opening speech was absolutely detestable. A concerted waste of precious minutes she could be questioned, and not helpful to anybody. I thought she was terrible. I believe the kudos given to Bill Clinton were a reflection of how terrible she was. Imagine pugs giving kudos to Clinton!! Interesting.

[boobooday]

13. Somehow, the truth finds a channel

And for us right now, that is Jon Stewart.

http://www.wgoeshome.com

[carolinayellowdog]

16. The only hope that TV can be a tool for

truth and goodness instead of lies and evil.

[OneBlueSky]

15. the beginning of finding the truth about 9/11 lies in . . .

the question: Why were jets not launched to intercept the hijacked airliners until AFTER the Pentagon was hit? . . . the problem is that nobody is asking the question! . . . not the Commission, not senators or congresscritters, not the media, no one . . . given that this was such a complete breakdown of standard operating procedures -- a breakdown that happened only on 9/11 -- you'd think someone would be asking the fucking question! . . . in fact, you'd think everyone would be asking the fucking question! . . . but they're not . . .

beyond the obvious, one of the reasons this is such an interesting question is because it should be fairly easy to trace who was or was not given orders on that day . . . everyone from Rummy right down to base commanders and individual pilots should be interviewed to find out just what did and did not happen, and why bases all up and down the East Coast did not scramble that morning . . . somebody (maybe a lot of somebodys) knows the truth, but you can't get to the truth if you don't ask the fucking question! . . . to everyone who was involved, or should have been . . .

why this line of inquiry is not being vigorously pursued is beyond me . . . I can only conclude that everyone -- the Commission, the Congress, the media -- simply don't want the truth to come out . . . which means that it's probably pretty devastating stuff for BushCo . . . and which also demonstrates the degree to which all parties -- the Commission, the Congress, the media -- are in cahoots with one another in this conspiracy of silence . . .

you can't have a democracy if the basis of how people vote is nothing but lies . . . I fear for our democracy . . . or what's left of it . . .

[dbt]

22. Right ON, OneBlueSky!

Every damn time I hear somebody from the Regime say "there's nothing we could've done to stop the attacks," I scream at the TV:

You could have damn well sent the INTERCEPTORS, as Standard Operating Procedure dictates! Where the FUCK were the INTERCEPTORS??

Alas, it's beginning to come to light that SOP was changed around June of 2001. It looks now like Rummy had to give the order to scramble instead of it being automatic.

The question needs to be answered:

Where were the interceptors?

:grr:
dbt

[Jose Diablo]

25. The answer to why NORAD did not respond 9-11

is in this in this link.

http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/cjcsd/cjcsi/3610_01a.pdf

Seems that Vice Admiral S.A. Fry issued this instruction on June 1, 2001 to change the military's response procedures to a civilian hijacking. The directive effectively restricts field commanders from any response to a hijacking unless the Secretary of Defense (Rumsfield) gives authorization to intercept the aircraft.

As we know, Rumsfield was in a hi-level meeting that morning in the Pentagon.

I am curious about why the directive CJCJI 3610-01A was issued to change the procedures already in place that seemed to work so well protecting the Sky. Another smoking gun, and this explains the lack of military response, plus if the process of how this directive came about, we may then have MIHOP.

This information on the directive was posted last week sometime in DU. You may want to search DU to pull the original post for more information.

[leesa]

41. That still doesn't tell us why they weren't in the air for readiness to

intervene with deadly force, or more simplistically to get visual identification of who was in the cockpit. That is part of the reason the jets are sent up. Somebody also had to order them to stay down and also to fly at reduced speeds when the were finally airborne.

[Jose Diablo]

43. No, I didn't say they did not have authority for shoot-down

that was the poster below, I said they could not even take-off with-out Rumsfield authority.

Check out the other thread.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=125&topic_id=10090


Edit to add other thread

[doni_georgia]

35. Only the Pres

Only the pres can order a commercial airliner shot down - if I remember correctly. Bush couldn't order anything because he was reading to 2nd graders at when he needed to be on the horn with NORAD. The whole notion that Bush thought it was an accident is insulting to anyone with a brain's intelligence! Bull shit! I knew it wasn't an accident supposedly before Bush and I was simply watching CNN in the teachers' lounge. Bush's stories of what he knew that day so contradict each other that you can't believe a word he says. Let's see - he's the president of the most powerful nation in the world - I'm a fifth grade teacher. I was in the lounge making copies when CNN broke in with the story that a plane had crashed into the WTC. My first thought was - "Shit, that's a terrorist attack!" I immediately called my husband at work, and he had already heard about the attack. By the time the 2nd plane hit the 2nd tower, we already had about 50 parents in the office checking their kids out of school. You can't tell me that parents weren't showing up at the school Bush was at checking those kids out. By the time Bush acknowledges knowing that it was a terrorist attack, another two schools in my district had evacuated (because they are next door to the FCC HQ), about half my students had gone home, and we were under lockdown in the classroom.

[FlaGranny]

40. The Florida parents may have wanted to check

their kids out of school, but you can bet that not one of them was allowed within a mile of that school - our glorious president was there, Secret Service, and all that.

[hellbound-liberal]

19. I believe this show will be rebroadcast on Friday at 10:00 a.m

if my TV Guide is correct. I'm looking forward to it.

[Bark Bark Bark]

20. One Thing That Has Given Me Pause

...about Jon is that every time he's had a right-winger on, he's gone out of his way to declare that "anyone who says Bush is a puppet or a dummy or a figurehead, they automatically lose a lot of credibility."

I imagine he's quit saying that since the announcement that Dick Cheney will be bringing his ventriloquist act (featuring "Li'l Dubby The Whistle-Ass Wonder") to the 9/11 Commission. "Puppet" is too damn kind.

Stewart has probably gone with it to put the neocons at ease, so that they will more readily pack their shoes down their own throats. (And do they ever! It's too damn bad I missed Ann Coulter's appearance; that must have been jawdropping.)

But regardless of this, and as long as one takes anything Lewis Black declares with a grain of salt, "The Daily Show" is a delicious antidote to corporate media spincrap.

[emulatorloo]

21. I think he is pointing out that GWB has responsibility

for his actions and words. Some excuse GWB - "oh it is all Karl Rove, it is all Dick Cheney, etc etc" - So I think that is Stewart's point.

[bleedingheart]

23. hey don't diss Lewis....

he's pretty funny...I loved his anti-carb diet diatribe...it was too funny

[WillyBrandt]

26. Well, at least you're not eating bread!

I'm glad someone else remembered that rant! I was trying to tell everyone about it, to blank stares--alas.

"If you're shaped like an Apple or a Pear, EAT an Apple or a Pear..."

[Bark Bark Bark]

55. Carb Your Enthusiasm

I find Lewis Black funny, don't get me wrong, but ironically that same "anti-carb diet rant" really turned me off. Black's bit about the Atkins low-carb (not anti-carb) diet was full of so much outright disinformation that I can't help but suspect the folks at Wonder Bread gave him a little something beforehand. Or he doesn't care to know what he's screaming about.

I know Atkins works--beautifully--from personal experience. Two months of it gave me better results than I got from years of following the carb-choked Food Pyramid and running until I collapsed every day.

Enjoy Lewis Black's act, but don't base dietary (or any other) decisions on his word, any more than you'd match your politics to one of the cast of "Crank Yankers" or get a prostate exam from Colin Quinn. Like I said, take 'em all with a grain of salt.

[GreenPartyVoter]

24. Jon is just AWESOME!

[melv]

27. kudos to the daily show

and jon stewart.

one question though, are they somehow contractually obligated to Carel with those terrible "Produce pete" pieces? Geez, with that plus the Jason "has this been washed" interview, the second half of the show was totally lame.

[GiovanniC]

28. Yeah, the First 10 Minutes

Was all that was worth seeing. I guess having one of the stars of "Valerie's Family" waxing intellectual about foot cleanliness at the health club just doesn't do it for me.

[goddess40]

29. LIHOP, sorry but what does this mean?

[Jose Diablo]

30. LIHOP means

Let It Happen On Purpose. Meaning a passive do nothing response to a known threat to allow an event (9-11) occure.

MIHOP is Make It Happen On Purpose. To take a active role, even if behind the scene, to have the event occure.

[JHB]

31. Acronym for:

Let
It
Happen
On
Purpose

Back in the 90's many of Bush's advisors (Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, etc.) had argued for invading not only Iraq but other MiddleEastern countries to overthrow repressive regimes (and expected the "throwing flowers at our feet" treatment for doing so), but figured such a policy was out of political bounds barring "something like a new Pearl Harbor".

The political advantages reaped so heavily (and so shamelessly) by the Bushies from 9/11 leads a numbner of people to believe that they had planned something like that all along. Tha they ignored warnings of a major terrorist incident and Let It Happen On Purpose. They may have been caught off guard by the scale of what happened (or not: see MIHOP theories -- Made It Happen...), but they used it as planned to ram through the patriot act, suppress dissent, etc.

[JohnyCanuck]

32. Let It Happen On Purpose

LIHOP = Bush gang knew a terrorist attack on the US was going to happen (possibly not knowing the full extent of the plans) and decided to let the attack go ahead so they could capitalize on the resulting anti-Arab hysteria to invade Iraq and go forward with the neo-con/PNAC plans to build a global US controlled hegemony. The PNACers explain in one of their position papers that they thought another "Pearl Harbor" type event would be needed to motivate the US population into accepting their proposed plans for a worldwide "Pax Americana."

See this DU thread for a discussion on PNAC http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1069536


MIHOP = Make it Happen on Purpose. Bush gang and/or elements of US and allied intelligence agencies had an active hand in setting up 9/11 to happen and probably used Arab's as patsies to take the blame. Motivation again being to get the new Pearl Harbor they were looking for to motivate the populace into accepting the PNAC goals.

[goddess40]

33. My vote is LIHOP, then

Thanks, I guess I've been 'out of the loop' too long. I just put a new video card in and my son has been hitting the games hard.

[rocktivity]

34. Keep checking the Comedy Central Web site for the video

if you haven't seen it. They should have it posted by this afternoon.
http://www.comedycentral.com/tv_shows/thedailyshowwithjonstewart/

:headbang:
rocknation

[spooky3]

37. Is there any way those of us who missed it can hear/see it?

I just checked his site and didn't see a link.

[spooky3]

38. oops, looks as if Rocknation just answered my question!

[General Discontent]

44. Best. Show. Ever.

Best. Show. Ever.


D Wolfman

[Generator]

45. The state of American media

today is that the "fake news" show has more truth in ten minutes than the hours of the rest. We are living in the age of irony perfected. I ADORE Jon Stewart. He keeps me sane. He does not give the BS a pass. His show is honestly the most devastating critique of the Bush regime times we have. Get everyone to see this show!!!!!

[maggrwaggr]

47. why is Jon Stewart doing the mainstream media's JOB??

The only one actually analyzing what Rice had to say is Jon Stewart?

WTF???

He did it brilliantly and showed what a sham it was.

[slinkerwink]

48. the media's forgotten that their job is supposed to criticize the govt

or be the watchdog against the government.

[maggrwaggr]

56. not necessarily criticize, but QUESTION and INVESTIGATE

and CONFIRM or not

Biggest story of this DECADE: the failure of the U.S. media.

Who's gonna report that? Just us I suppose.

[buycitgo]

57. been going on for a LONG time

ever read George Seldes?

Mark Hertzgaard?

Fools for Scandal?

[osaMABUSh]

51. If I was a woman I'd want to marry Jon Stewart

Seriously, though, he is so f**king funny and his facial expressions are a comic talent. But to your point, he is all over this stuff and puts a clarity to it. I hope the young kids are watching him because I'm sick of hearing how Bush has the college vote which I don't believe, by the way.

[chookie]

59. Hey -- you could try

Did you see his interview with Howard Dean? I haven't laughed that hard in years.

Having asked Dean to explain his position on gay marriage, in the skit Stewart while listening to the reply drifts off into a fantasy as he considers the choices ahead of him -- "Dr and Mr Howard Dean? Mr and Dr Jon Stewart?"

The other part that had me howling was Stewart's continuous prompts to Dean to lower the level of his response to Stewart's audience, finally suggesting that maybe what he should do is just rattle his keys a little.

[chookie]

58. If I owned a network...

like Jon Stewart, the clip *I* would play, over and over and over and over and over and over and over -- would be the one of Condi recalling the title of the August 6 2001 PDB -- "Osama is About To Attack The USA In A Big Big Way Real Real Soon."

Instead, the networks are playing over and over and over and over again Condi lying through the gap of her teeth the meaningless platitude, "There was no silver bullet."

Bullshit Condi -- if *I* was smart enough to figure out heavy shit was coming our way during 2001 *from just reading the frigging newspapers every day*, you, Dr Rice, National Security Advisor, have no frigging excuse to have missed this. Blaming others is not an option.

Although I was aware of the Aug 6 PDB in the days following Sept 11, I must admit that I was still bowled over to actually hear her say it's title in public. Imagine what it felt like if you'd lost someone in the rubble of the WTC that day....

Condi -- you better hope I have no influence on the sentence you will eventually receive, because I want to see you flogged in public before you are thrown in jail. 3000 lashes.