Media finally to answer 9/11's unanswered questions! (suggestions needed)

[paulthompson]

Good news. I've been in touch with a Village Voice reporter about my 9/11 Timeline. They say they're wanting to do more 9/11 stories now. I was asked what I thought up today's hearing, and I said I thought it would be interesting if they asked Ashcroft why he stopped flying domestic public planes in July 2001. And voila, today this appears on the Village Voice website:

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0415/mondo1.php

I suggested that the Village Voice look into some of the unanswered questions of 9/11, and do a follow up to stories that were once reported and now forgotten. I gave the example of reports in Newsweek and elsewhere that some of the hijackers trained in US military bases. Was that true? What can we find out about it now?

The reporter told me today he thought that was a good idea, both the specific example and the idea of the series on questions like this.

Soooo.... I'll put this out to everyone here. What unanswered questions would you like the Village Voice to look into? Keep in mind that they probably don't want to get too into heavy conspiracy theory stuff like the idea of Flight 77 not hitting the Pentagon. And also they would want to do things that are reasonably actionable, meaning topics they could maybe get some answers to with a little bit of investigative journalism.

[SpiralHawk]

1. The put options

who knew in advance, and was trying to profit off of 9/11 ?

Thanks Paul

[BlueEyedSon]

12. The point of the put options is this.....

Regardless of whether you believe LIHOP/MIHOP or the "oops" theory, it stands to reason that SOMEONE knew the attacks were coming... and the put option activity pretty much proves that. (One would assume that al Q operatives/UBL himself knew, and could have made the trades.)

An investigation would reveal WHO had advanced knowledge and used it for profit.

The lack of an investigation is what is curious and smacks of a coverup or incompetence.

[peacetalksforall]

44. Put options is the most critical...the question can be formed this way...

Why was the investigation closed by the FBI without any background or detail disseminated to the public and was it excluded from the current Commission and the Congressional Commission? If yes, why?

[Insider]

2. sounds good

all except:
Keep in mind that they probably don't want to get too into heavy conspiracy theory stuff like the idea of Flight 77 not hitting the Pentagon.

if we still have this line that says these questions are legit, and these are not, i'll pass on contributions. (mine are all 'heavy conspiracy stuff'...i think it was a HEAVY conspiracy! but i'll surely read the voice for any bit of good that comes out.

and congrats on the input already.

[JackieO]

3. Wow

That really is great news.

Question #1:

Where was the air defense?

[Corgigal]

4. Did the talk to any air traffic controllers

either in Newark or the surround airports in NYC. When did they know that the aircrafts were heading into the city and who did they call and was it recorded? (By the way , all landlines are recorded in control work)

edit:spelling

[GiovanniC]

5. The Crash In Pennsylvania

How did engine of the plane end up a mile away? How did other large pieces of debris end up 8 miles away?

[peacetalksforall]

45. And who belonged to the little white unmarked jet that flew low over the

crash scene, circled, and flew away?

[Goldmund]

6. Yeah,

dig up statistics on the average time to intercept aircraft that are off-course (happens all the time). Dig up previous examples, if any, of aircraft off-course that were not intercepted within an hour and a half or whatever it was, of going off-course. Compare and contrast.

[LunaC]

7. I'd like a plausible explanation

for the following sequence of events!

In May 2001 the U.S. State Department met with Iran, German and Italian officials to discuss Afghanistan. It was decided that the ruling Taliban would be toppled and a "broad-based government" would control the country so a gas pipeline could be built there.

http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/7969.pdf.
http://www.gasandoil.com/goc/features/fex20867.htm


Even as plans were being made to remove the Taliban rulers from power, Colin Powell announced a $43 million "gift" to Afghanistan.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/editorials/la-091701scheer.column
http://www.cato.org/dailys/08-02-02.html


Meanwhile, the U.S. Embassy in the UAE received a call that Bin Laden supporters were in the U.S. planning attacks with explosives. It was rumored that Bin Laden was interested in hijacking U.S. aircraft.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/images/04/10/whitehouse.pdf


In July 2001, the private plot formulated in May for toppling the Taliban was divulged during the G8 summit in Genoa, Italy. Immediately after the conference, American, Russian, German and Pakistani officials secretly met in Berlin to finalize the strategy for military strikes against the Taliban, scheduled to begin before mid-October 2001

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1550366.stm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,556254,00.html


In September 2001 the "catastrophic and catalyzing" modern-day Pearl Harbor envisioned years earlier by the PNAC came to pass when the WTC and Pentagon were attacked with U.S. aircraft. Immediately, the finger of blame was pointed at Osama bin Laden, a former CIA operative with ties to Afghanistan. Suddenly, the U.S. "gift" of $43 million to the Taliban in May was cast in a new light. Coincidentally, Pakistan had participated in the plan to attack Afghanistan and the chief of Pakistan's Inter Service Intelligence agency was later linked to a 911 hijacker after wiring him $100,00 just days before the WTC fell.

http://cryptome.org/rad.htm
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO109C.html
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/uncomp/articleshow?msid=1454238160


In October 2001, with flags waving, crowds cheering, and anthems playing, the "War On Terror" and the hunt for Osama began when Afghanistan was attacked right on schedule of July's secret meeting

[displacedtexan]

8. Who were the other 7 guys listed in the Phoenix memo?

Their names have been redacted (thesmokinggun.com has the memo).

Who are they?
Where are they?
Were any of them on those 9/11 planes?

[blm]

9. Why 9-11 commission isn't calling up Gary Hart or Warren Rudman.....

and why did Bush refuse Warren Rudman a position on the commission when the 9-11 families requested he be on it?

[blm]

10. And Bush, Bath, and Bin Laden.

George Bush, James Bath, and the Bin Ladens or How 9-11 has its roots in the BCCI scandal and cover-up. (Thanks to Robert Mueller)

[Aries]

11. Was Flight 77 on autopilot?

And/or was Hani Hanjour, who according to his instructors could barely fly a Cessna, really behind the controls?

http://www.boston.com/news/packages/underattack/news/planes_reconstruction.htm#aa77

"...Authorities contend that Hanjour was at the controls and that the plane may have been on autopilot.

Controllers say the plane crossed the Pentagon at 7,000 feet and then made a sweeping circle to the right, during which time it dropped down to near surface level.

The plane swept low over a traffic-jammed highway and slammed into the western face of the building at 9:45...."

[dbt]

13. Four Words:

Where were the Interceptors?

:grr:
dbt

[Lydia Leftcoast]

14. Two biggies for me

1) As others have mentioned, the lack of response from air defense forces. Two planes bound from Boston to California make sharp left turns at the Hudson River and start flying low into Manhattan. That should have raised red flags all over the place, especially when the second plane was coming in.

2) What was all this nonsense about finding one of the hijacker's passports in the wreckage of the WTC? It would have been inside a plane that was incinerated at 4,000 degrees. Did he open up a window on the plane and toss it out at the last minute? I recall from the French documentary that salvage workers were marveling at how pulverized everything was, that in two towers of 102 floors each full of office equipment and heavy furniture, they hadn't found anything larger than a telephone keypad. How did the passport survive?

[Karenina]

18. How did the passport survive?

And was it dusted for prints? :evilgrin:

[bain_sidhe]

15. Why did Tenant refuse to declassify the RECIPIENTS

of information generated by the CIA regarding terrorist threats IN THIS COUNTRY in the spring and summer of 2001?

Article about this fact:

The Secrets of September 11th
Newsweek web Exclusive:

One such CIA briefing, in July 2001, was particularly chilling and prophetic. It predicted that Osama bin Laden was about to launch a terrorist strike “in the coming weeks,” the congressional investigators found. The intelligence briefing went on to say: “The attack will be spectacular and designed to inflict mass casualties against U.S. facilities or interests. Attack preparations have been made. Attack will occur with little or no warning.”

The substance of that intelligence report was first disclosed at a public hearing last September by staff director Hill. But at the last minute, Hill was blocked from saying precisely who within the Bush White House got the briefing when CIA director Tenet classified the names of the recipients. (One source says the recipients of the briefing included Bush himself.) As a result, Hill was only able to say the briefing was given to “senior government officials.”

www.msnbc.com/news/907379.asp?0cv=KA01

IOW. it's not a a matter of "national security" for the American people to know this information, but it IS a matter of "national security" for us to know WHO KNEW this information!! You need look no further for proof that Bush is using the "classification" system soley to protect his political fortunes. The reason they give for classifying most of these documents is that, by knowing what information was given, "terrists" could figure out who they got the information from. Since the information itself isn't classified, that CAN'T be the case here. What do terrists care about who got the information once it was given? The ONLY people who would care about who got the information is the American people. The only reason to classify the recipient list is to hide that information from us, not from terrorists. The ONLY reason.

Here's a link to the actual testimony which discusses the intelligence that predicted that Bin Laden would launch a strike "within the coming weeks" AND that notes that Tenant specifically refused to declassify any references to the Intelligence Community providing information to the President or White House.

http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2002_hr/091802hill.html

[Minstrel Boy]

16. How about Mahmood Ahmed and the $100,000 to Atta.

And that the ISI chief Ahmed authorized the payment through a call to al Qaeda/ISI double agent Saeed Sheikh.

And that Ahmed happened to be in Washington over the week of Sept 11 meeting with top US officials.

And that when the story broke, such as it did, he quietly retired, and apparently has not even been sought for questioning by American authorities.

Rice was asked about it in a press conference May 16 2002, and wouldn't ya know, Ahmed's name appears as "(inaudible)" in the transcripts.

[punpirate]

17. The first planes scrambled...

... were from Otis AFB, and were reported as lifting off at 8:46 am, the same time the first plane hit the WTC. There were reports that they were over NYC a few moments after the second plane hit, sixteen or seventeen minutes later.

Otis AFB is approximately 150 air miles from NYC. An intercept point over water would have been a slightly shorter distance.

I have watched an F-15 go from 1,000 feet to 50,000 feet, straight up, in less than two minutes. Including time to altitude, these planes from Otis could have reached NYC, at full military power, in about seven to eight minutes. Other reports said they were flying at 0.9 Mach all the way. Why weren't they flying at full military power?

[Gordon25]

19. Atta's girlfriend in Florida

What happened to the Anglo girlfriend Atta had been living with in Florida just prior to 9/11? Why has the FBI instructed her not to talk with anyone about it?

Was Atta, in fact, hosting and participating in alcohol and cocaine parties in Florida, as has been reported, and regularly visiting strip clubs nearby? If so, how does that reconcile with the "official story" that he was a Muslim fundamentalist willing to kill himself for his beliefs?

Why did a government C-130 aircraft with Jeb Bush aboard, land at Huffman Aviation airport in Florida (where Atta and others had undergone flight training), while the airport was surrounded by Florida state patrol keeping people out? Why did a group of men in military fatigues from that plane enter the Huffman aviation offices and take out all the files and records and transfer them to the C-130 which then took off? What happened to all those records and files?

Why have several of the alleged hijackers surfaced at other places around the world claiming they had nothing to do with 9/11 and that their identities had been stolen? Why does the FBI, despite knowing about these occurrences, continue to assert that the identities as they were revealed just after 9/11 are correct?

Why did the website for Andrews AFB claim on 9/11 that its primary responsibility was air defense over the capitol, and then, on 9/12, claim it was primarily a transport base with no ready fighters available?

Answers to those questions, along with the questions about five of the alleged hijackers being trained at and/or living on U.S. military bases, would go a long way toward explaining what actually occurred on 9/11, and why.

Paul, your work is of incredible value. It has preserved much of the truth that otherwise would have disappeared. You are a true patriot and history will recognize you as such. As a Marine Corps Vietnam vet, I salute you. One question: have you considered making your timeline available, with active links, on a CD or set of CD's. I have done printouts of the timeline and distributed them to half a dozen people in positions of influence. A CD would be much cheaper and more easily distributed. I'd buy a dozen. Thanks again for everything you are doing.

Gordon25

[9215]

20. Who warned Mayor Willie Brown on Sept. 10

being "cautious" about air travel.

San Francisco Chronicle, September 12 2001
For Mayor Willie Brown, the first signs that something was amiss came late Monday when he got a call from what he described as his airport security - - a full eight hours before yesterday's string of terrorist attacks -- advising him that Americans should be cautious about their air travel.

The mayor, who was booked to fly to New York yesterday morning from San Francisco International Airport, said the call "didn't come in any alarming fashion, which is why I'm hesitant to make an alarming statement."

In fact, at the time, he didn't pay it much mind.

"It was not an abnormal call. I'm always concerned if my flight is going to be on time, and they always alert me when I ought to be careful."



Exactly where the call came from is a bit of a mystery. The mayor would say only that it came from "my security people at the airport.


Also
http://www.rense.com/general46/warn.html

[proud patriot]

21. the victims families questions

I support their search for the truth ,
and humbly request the questions submitted
before the 911 commission by the victims family
be honored by the media .

[gandalf]

31. Good point. I wrote that to a large newspaper

in Germany, some weeks ago. The head of the foreign policy desk answered that they were aware of the questions, that these questions were either answered or would be answered in the next time.
Really BS!!!

That the families have these questions should be made known to the public, as it shows that not only evil conspiracy theorists have some questions.

[9215]

22. Hijackers bank Suntrust contributed to Jeb Bush campaign.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2001/09/21/fbi-banks.htm#more
SunTrust Banks Inc. in Florida was providing the FBI with information about the summer activity on nine checking accounts connected to people believed involved in the attacks, bank spokesman Barry Koling said.
and another
http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2002_hr/092602mueller.html

......early July 2000, Atta and al-Shehhi traveled to Norman, Oklahoma ostensibly to evaluate the program offered through the Airman's Flight School. Although they stayed the first night at a hotel paid for by Airman, they did not enroll at the flight school. Instead, they traveled to Venice, Florida and began training at Huffman Aviation. Atta and al-Shehhi both obtained their pilot's licenses, instrument certifications, and commercial pilot certificates in the fall and winter of 2000 at Huffman Aviation.
While in Venice, they also opened a joint bank account at SunTrust Bank. Between July 18 and September 18, 2000, Ali Abdul Aziz Ali using a variety of aliases, wired approximately $109,500 into this account. All of these wires were sent from the UAE. None triggered suspicious activity reports (SARs). As I mentioned, Aziz is the same person believed to have wired funds to San Diego for Nawaf al-Hazmi......
........The Florida Flight Training Center is significant for another reason as well. On May 17, 2000, days after the last known flight lessons for al-Mihdhar and al-Hazmi, an individual identified as Ramzi Binalshibh made his first application for a U.S. visa, which was denied. Binalshibh reapplied for a U.S. visa on June 15, 2000, but again was denied. We know that Binalshibh attempted to enroll in the Florida Flight Training Center (FFTC), the facility where Ziad Jarrah was training at the time. In August of 2000, Binalshibh wired $2,200 as a deposit to this flight training center in Florida. Binalshibh tried twice more to obtain a visa to travel into the United States -- in Yemen on September 15, 2000, and again on October 25, 2000. However, these requests were also denied. Binalshibh would later become a significant money person.........

Suntrust was an Iran-Contra money laundering bank and his housed in the Bush Executive Plaza.
Suntrust contributed approx. $160,000 to Jeb's campaign:
> >
<http://www.opensecrets.org/fl/gets/st/contrib/fl622.htm>
> > <http://www.rollins.edu/news/Construction/Fall1999Construction.htm>
> >
> > Fall 1999 SunTrust Plaza & The Bush Executive Center
> >
> > After just over a year of construction, the SunTrust Plaza is nearly
> > completed. The finishing touches-including the paint, sidewalks, and
> > signage-are now being added to Rollins' newest business venture. The 1st
> > tennant of the SunTrust Plaza, Restoration Hardware, will be ready for
> > business as of June 17th. The Gap, Coldwell Banker with the newly-acquired
> > Ann Cross Realty offices, and Merrill Lynch will follow suit in July and
> > August, respectively. "We hope to have an occupancy of about 93% by the
> > beginning of the 1999-00 school year," said Vice President and Treasurer
> > George Herbst.
> > As of June, we are 85% leased, but as the construction nears completion
> and
> > the community becomes familiar with its newest neighbor, we foresee the
> > signing of the remaining leases." Thanks to generous donations from the
> > Edyth Bush Charitable Foundation, Crummer alumnus Dennis Harward and
> others,
> > the Bush Executive Center has become a reality. The dedication for the
> > building will be held later this fall. Once completed and in full
> operation,
> > the building will offer 5-6 new classrooms, including an audio/visual
> > presentation room. Also, the Bush Center will feature a hand full of
> meeting
> > rooms to be used for discussion / study, and will host more faculty
> offices.
> > A redesigned lobby will connect the Executive Center with the existing
> > Crummer building. Although some of the construction parking was diverted
> > with the use of the parking garage, some spaces will return once the
> > construction area is returned to its original state. The work area will be
> > cleaned up by the end of the summer and people should expect the grass to
> > return, as well as new sidewalks and various shrubbery. There will be an
> > increase in the number of faculty offices. The two displaced faculty
> members
> > will return from their temporary stay in the 1st floor of the Carnegie
> > Building. The Center's programs are designed to attract business leaders
> > from around the country. The executive education classrooms will contain
> the
> > latest teaching technology, including data ports, and video conferencing
> > capabilities. The four-story building will only stand three-stories high,
> > with one floor underground.
> >
> > Bush and President of SunTrust in Florida Enterprise:
> > <http://www.eflorida.com/content/images/90_june26.pdf>

[Generator]

23. You guys all got it covered but IGNORAD

http://slate.msn.com/id/2060825

Is something that first got me when I started looking into 9/11. Even my husband the anti-conspiracy guy was bothered big time by this. This MUST be answered because if planes were hijacked today, what would be the response? I do not trust the government to protect me.

What was with Rumsfeld's lame answer las month to the commission "I don't know what was in the pilot's minds?" Somebody needs to be fired for that alone. Why were SOP not followed for the hijackings? And especially now that every Tom, Dick & Harry knows that hijackings were a possiblity even though not to our security advisor.

Also Ministral Boy's post about the director of the ISI and that $100,000 to Atta, but I doubt anyone would ever touch that. But that scares me the most as they obviously took the name out of the public document.

[9215]

24. Dr. Callaway operated on Osama at Army hospital in Dubai and

refuses to answer questions.


American docs work on bin Laden at Dubai: http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/RIC111B.html
Having taken off from the Quetta airport in Pakistan, bin Laden was transferred to the hospital upon his arrival at Dubai airport. He was accompanied by his personal physician and faithful lieutenant, who could be Ayman al-Zawahari--but on this sources are not entirely certain--, four bodyguards, as well as a male Algerian nurse, and admitted to the American Hospital, a glass and marble building situated between the Al-Garhoud and Al-Maktoum bridges.
Each floor of the hospital has two "VIP" suites and fifteen rooms. The Saudi billionnaire was admitted to the well-respected urology department run by Terry Callaway, gallstone and infertility specialist. Dr Callaway declined to respond to our questions despite several phone calls.
More on ObL in Dubai hospital: http://www.unansweredquestions.org/timeline/2001/lefigaro103101.html

[9215]

25. Bob Dole's former adviser says 9/11 hijackers funded by U.S. Government.

9-11 hijackers funded by US Govt - says Dole's former sr. advisor
http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=4235&forum=DCForumID66&omm=0
Hilton: 9-11 Hijackers funded
by the US Government

Stanley Hilton, Bob Dole's former senior advisor and Wolfowitz schoolmate appeared on the Alex Jones Show tonight. (03/11/03)
He discussed information that he was privy to, based on classified depositions of 9-11 witnesses.
Interviews with an American ex-wife of one of the 9-11 hijackers revealed that she met Mohammed Atta and his younger brother and that this group were double-agents operating in a series of cells that were aided and abetted by the US government.
She mentioned that these "cells" were not comprised of muslim fundamentalists, but "playboys" and that they also participated in the OKC bombing and the first WTC attack.
Hilton is representing 400 families suing Bush and others in the federal government for "causing, aiding and abetting 9/11".
Listen (MP3)
<http://www.libertythink.com>/

[paulthompson]

26. Note: fighter response

I just noticed this. The same author on the same day also wrote this story:

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0415/mondo2.php

Plane Truth

Among Questions Still Up In The Air Is Why Our Jet Fighters Weren't

After decades of promising that should the Soviets dare to attack, the American military would hurl missiles and planes into the air to defend the homeland within minutes, how come the country was without any air defense on 9-11, when, as Condi Rice put it last week, the Bush administration was at "battle stations"? Just 13 days before the attack, President Bush assured a group of veterans, "I will not permit any course that leaves America undefended."

Only two jet fighters were scrambled when news of the first hijackings reached the military, and with American Flight 11 having changed course and heading straight for Manhattan, no one thought to order immediate evacuation of the WTC, a long-standing terrorist target, as well as other tall buildings in New York. There was about half an hour from the moment the FAA learned of the hijacking until a plane smashed into the building. Although there seemed to be sufficient time to protect the Pentagon, nothing was done there. By the time the Pentagon was hit, the military had managed to get two more jet fighters into the air, for a total of four.

---

It looks like there's at least one reporter out there who is starting to look at these questions.

[paulthompson]

55. don't miss this story

in the previous posting. It's good to see this issue mentioned again in the press.

[paulthompson]

58. bump again

more ideas please. I'm going to point the reporter to this thread.

[JohnyCanuck]

27. Ruddi Dekkers flight school and CIA connections with Venice airport

The Ruddi Dekkers Fly By Night flight school operation in Venice stinks to high heaven. Seems there's evidence of CIA and perhaps other intelligence services using facilities at the Venice airport for many years. Was it just a coincidence that of all the flight training facilities in the USA, the terrorist picked Dutchman Ruddi Dekkers' operation in Venice for flight training? Why was Jeb Bush involved with FBI agents in removing the flight school's records in the early morning hours of Sep 12th and flying them out on a C130 (as local law enforcement officers allegedly told author Daniel Hopsicker)? Where did these records end up and who has access to them now?

The friends of Rudi Dekkers

Lack of proper aviation background was also a comment heard about Dekkers in an interview this week with Richard Boehlke, a partner of Dekkers in a recent airline venture called Florida Air. Boehlke accuses Dekkers of not having enough experience to run a commuter airline and training facilities. Portland Native's Brush with Terror

"He (Dekkers) was an oxymoron the day I met him," Boehlke told Portland reporter Eric Mason. "I can’t believe anyone handed him millions of dollars to run a business he had no experience in."

Boehlke leveled another charge in his interview, stating Dekkers had suggested that his students hone their skills by acting as co-pilots on commuter routes in Florida and elsewhere. Boehlke said Dekkers urged him to allow students to ride-along as co-pilots on scheduled airline flights, which is illegal.

"They could have been terrorists on a ride-along!" Boehlke told reporter Eric Mason of Portland Oregon radio station K-Pam. He said a 'chill' runs through him when he thinks about it.
http://www.madcowprod.com/issue08.html

The airfield where Mohamed Atta and his terrorist cadre learned to fly has a long history of being used as a training base for paramilitary operations by federal authorities, the MadCowMorningNews has learned exclusively.

The Venice Airport, now notorious for two Dutch-owned flight schools which trained three of the four terrorist pilots in the Sept. 11 attack, has been utilized in covert U.S. operations since the earliest days of the Cold War, according to a top local law enforcement official.

<snip>

According to local law enforcement who loaded the records from Huffman Aviation and Florida Flight Training Center aboard a C130 at Sarasota International Airport the day after September 11th, when it flew out Jeb Bush was aboard.

The accumulating evidence in Venice of official and so-far unacknowledged complicity in the presence in the U.S. of Mohamed Atta and his terrorist cadre is a far more important issue than the proposed focus for the upcoming independent 9/11 investigation: "blunders and missed signals" by the CIA and FBI.

http://www.madcowprod.com/issue31.html

[judy]

28. John O'Neill John O'Neill John O'Neill

If Bushco was doing everything they could to stop terrorism, why did they stop John O'Neill's investigation of the Cole bombing dead in its tracks ???

[jody]

29. FBI section RFU/UBLU

Phoenix Memo page 8, the FBI in Washington, DC has or had a section RFU/UBLU that was responsible for implementing the suggested actions in the Phoenix memo. The section's acronym probably stands for Usama Bin Laden (UBL) because the acronym UBL is introduced on the first page of the memo.

QUESTION: If the FBI had a special unit tracking Usama Bin Laden, what did it know and what was passed on to the National Security Council?

Phoenix Memo, page 8

[Gordon25]

30. too important not to kick n/t

[gandalf]

32. Could you contact Chaim Kupferberg?

I assume you know his article, There's Something About Omar: Truth, Lies, and The Legend of 9/11. It tries to demonstrate how over the last years the 9/11 legend was created via various newspaper items. He finds some really absurd "coincidences".

His article is very long (60 pages or so). Perhaps he can formulate some questions, containing the most interesting "coincidences". As he argues mostly using mainstream media sources (the same approach that you follow, Paul), he should be able to ask questions consistent with Village Voice standards.

[Atman]

33. What did Card tell Bush at Booker, and why didn't he scramble

eom

[gandalf]

34. Flight manifests? Video footage of hijackers boarding?

Why aren't the flight manifests are published, why is no video footage of the hijackers of the starting airports of the flights 11, 77, 175, 93 available? It's very implausible that there is no video footage of several of the hijackers in the starting airports (only Atta in Boston).
Where is the video footage from the service station near the Pentagon?

[9215]

37. Good question.

Maybe this info is classified. :eyes:

[gandalf]

35. Why is no one sentenced by a regular court?

What does say about the quality of the evidence?

Two of the German suspects had to be freed because the US would not let Binalshib testify. Why is this? Aren't they interested in a fair trial?

[9215]

38. Binalshibh linked to Suntrust bank. See #22

When our Dictator in Thief started with "its a threat to national security" when Moussaoui called Binalshibh as a witness I about lost it. The Bushies are doing everything they can to keep the focus off of the money trail.

[Minstrel Boy]

36. Why no judicial access to 9/11 "masterminds"?

9/11 trials have been derailed because the US refuses to grant access to al Qaeda leadership it holds in custody. A German court recently let an alleged Hamburg cell plotter walk because of this. What does the US fear they might say? It must be something big, for it to prefer the overturning of convictions of accused terrorists.

[nostamj]

39. the victims's families list

that was sent to the Commission.

there's really nothing better out there right now.

[NecessaryOnslaught]

40. The scrapping of the WTC steel..

The lack of any serious forensic investigation into the collapse, the source of the fires that burned for THREE MONTHS in the sub-levels, and this....

[pberq]

41. Bush and Rumsfeld

From the list of unanswered questions by Carol Ashley, Member of the Family Steering Committee for the 9/11 Independent Commission, whose 25 year old daughter, Janice, was killed in the attack on the World Trade Center

Who was directing the defense of our country that morning?

What defensive action did he order to protect our nation during the crisis?

(Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld should have been advised of a terrorist attack
forthwith. However, in an interview on September 16, 2001, Rumsfeld appears to
indicate that he was unaware that our country was under attack until the Pentagon
was hit.)

Why didn’t President Bush, as Commander in Chief, assume command and order defensive actions to protect our nation as soon as he was told by his chief of staff, "We are under attack” ?

Why wasn’t the President escorted immediately to a secure location by the secret service?


“Today, our questions remain unanswered. The 9/11 families and the American people deserve an explanation for what went wrong.” – Carol Ashley

[starroute]

42. Discrepancies about what weapons were on the planes

I don't have the details at my fingertips, but I've seen reports that the first calls from members of the flight crews described the hijackers as having bombs or other weapons, not merely boxcutters.

Because of the claim that only boxcutters were used, there has been no serious investigation into possible major breaches of airport security. I'd like to see detailed analysis of what weapons the hijackers actually used, the boarding procedures they should have gone through, and what might have broken down in the process.

There were also reports about lax airport security in the days after 911 -- such as the potential for passengers to pass through crew-only areas and evade security in that way. I'd like to see that topic explored more fully as well.

[DoYouEverWonder]

43. When did the Commander in Chief know?

And what did he do about it?


On the morning of 9-11, at least 3 different News Co. were at Booker Elementary.

NEWS 8
10 NEWS
FOX 13 NEWS

All of them were running hi-res video of Bush's visit that morning. All of them were set up at the back of the room during the reading lesson and I am sure they all videotaped the whole thing. Those videos need to be made public.

The CIC didn't even get off his ass while 3000 people were being killed, now he says he would have moved a mountain?

In this case, actions speak louder than words.

[kiahzero]

46. This is a nonstarter

unless you argue that Ashcroft was the one that LIHOP. Otherwise, why would the other members of the cabinet continue to fly on commercial aircraft?

Hell, why was Olsen on one of the planes?

[DoYouEverWonder]

47. Maybe the planes weren't supposed to be crashed

into buildings?

Susan Olsen was a reporter. Maybe she was going to be there, to get the sensational scoop on an in progress hijacking? Then, maybe someone changed the game at the last minute and this traditional hijacking went horribly wrong?

[kiahzero]

49. Doesn't matter

If they were worried enough about hijackers to take Ashcroft off planes, why not the rest of the cabinet too?

The Olsen I was speaking of was Barbara Olsen, Ted Olsen's (Solicitor General) wife.

[DoYouEverWonder]

50. Oops, I meant Barbara

she was a 'writer' and a talking head FAUX News darling as well as Olsen's wife.

She was the one that wrote Hell to Pay and Final Days.

[Woody Box]

48. Where was Al Filipov (Flight 11) at 7:45 a.m. on 9/11?

http://www.globalfreepress.com/article.pl?sid=04/03/14/212247

[paulthompson]

51. evening bump

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[FreakinDJ]

52. Why has the White House done so much to stop the commission

If they are telling the truth then what do they have to hide

Let's face it an innocent man has nothing to hide. It has taken major out cry from this country every time to get any type of "Dog and Pony show" out of this bunch.

[calimary]

53. What about all those Saudis and bin Laden family members who

were airlifted out of the U.S. on 9/13/01 - when ALL OF U.S. AIRSPACE WAS CLOSED?

Who were they?

Why were they allowed to leave before the FBI could question them?

WHO GAVE THE ORDER ALLOWING THE AIRLIFT? It sure wasn't some errant air traffic controller somewhere.

And WHY?

And WHO ASKED for the approval? Who wanted it done in the first place?

And WHY?

[gandalf]

54. European morning kick for some more ideas

:kick:

[Nobody]

56. After receiving the Aug 6 PDB....

Why did Bush spend the REST of August at that ranch of his in Crawford INSTEAD of calling a meeting of ALL of the heads of the various agencies to deal with the threat clearly outlined in that PDB?

Next: Why were the family of Osama Bin Laden flown out of the USA on special chartered flights and into Saudi Arabia while Americans were stranded worldwide?

And finally: If 18 of the 19 hijackers were Saudi, and zero were Iraqi, and Osama Bin Laden is known to have no ties with Saddam Hussein, what was Bush using as a rationale for tying Iraq to the September 11th attacks?

[westerby]

57. Why weren't more fighters ready to intercept

after all the now documented and publicly available warnings of hijackings?

[worldgonekrazy]

59. Why wasn't info of imminent hijackings passed on to the appropriate people

A lot of people who SHOULD have received the info in the August 6th PDB (and elsewhere) never did. For example, AG Ashcroft said he never received that information, neither did the director of the FAA. Given that the memo pertains directly to domestic hijackings and ongoing FBI investigations related to Al-Qaeda, this seems quite strange.

[Slit Skirt]

60. if they were so unaware....

then why were surface to air missiles put on Bush's hotel on the night of 9/10/01 and circulating AWACS overhead...(reported in Sarasota papers)..and is it just a coincidence that 3 days prior to 9/11 Jeb Bush passed executive order 01-261 for a Florida emergency including terrorism.....also why did pentagon officials cancel their flights...why did Condi Rice call Mayor willie brown and tell him not to fly http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/02/05/Bush_knew2.html (see side bar on this link)

all of this goes to prior knowledge!!!