DeM. hackers set to rig voting machine counts.

[Gman2]

We should start this rumour if they refuse to keep a paper trail. This would call attention to the problem.

[ret5hd]

1. what makes you think we aren't?

[HFishbine]

2. I've wondered about that too.

It would be a hell of a way to make a point.

[jiacinto]

3. What a great idea

Not--the media will then savage us as "trying to steal elections".

[liberalnurse]

6. So the republicans

will be okay to get away with it? Will they be afraid to confront them? Apparently, they don't even want to validate it has not been hacked.

The media needs to get some balls and do a story on this. I think 60 minutes or Dateline can get back to the roots of journalism with a story like this. Voting is sacred!

[ParanoidPat]

34. Have you been paying any attention the last 2 weeks?

There have been over 2000 media outlets that have picked up the story and run it thanks to the efforts of Bev, DemActivist and others on this board.

[indigo32]

8. Carlos, you and I agree on this one

this would be a STUPID idea. They already think we cheat big time... even though they are the ones who stole 2000 election. This would be awful.

[jiacinto]

9. This thread should be locked

It's advocating that people break the law.

[htuttle]

4. It's NOT A RUMOR!

I've heard that there are at least 4 teams out there working on programs to ease hacking these things as we speak. By the time they are done, it will be easier to hack a Diebold voting machine than Windows 95.

Or so I've heard...

:evilgrin:

[Changenow]

21. Now that's how to start a rumor.

Say it isn't a rumor but a fact. Good work.

[Az]

5. I am planning on bringing my laptop

to the next election. Already bringing cameras and stuff. Might as well bring the laptop and scan the area to see if they have a wireless net up and running. Maybe even snort it a bit and see what rolls out.

[Nlighten1]

13. For security reasons only

casing the area around the voting station for wireless APs sounds like a good idea. I wonder what federal laws there are against this though. The new wireless security standards are going to be out this September and hopefully they will be implemented into any voting software that uses wireless although I wonder why in the hell there would use wireless to begin with.

[jiacinto]

7. Moderators please consider locking

This post is advocating breaking the law.

[ret5hd]

11. rumor-mongering is now against the law. you heard it here.

[htuttle]

12. This thread does NOT advocate breaking the law!

...it merely speculates on rumors that have been going around.

[Az]

17. What law are we advocating breaking?

Just curious. I thought we were talking about what some other Dems were going to do. Didn't you hear the rumor yet? Seems some Dems are going to use the loopholes in Diebold machines to steal the election next time around. Sounds important. Dontcha think?

[JPace]

46. Bush's Brain......

Karl Rove is the champion of rumors and no one has locked
him out of anything.....in fact he has the front door key
to the WH.

[prolesunited]

10. That's a great idea!

And then the "liberal" media won't be covering the faulty machines or the GOP ties to the companies that operate them. Instead, they'll focus on the lying, thieving Democrats trying to steal the election.

But, then, again, perhaps that is exactly what the GOP would like to happen.

BTW, welcome to DU Gman2. :hi: Do you have any other "brilliant" strategies for us Democrats?

[HFishbine]

18. Unless...

"Instead, they'll focus on the lying, thieving Democrats trying to steal the election."

Unless a hacker gave a win to a republican -- just to make the point that the system is not secure, not to advance a dem candidate.

[spotbird]

14. We need press releases!

Spread the word wide and far. The Democrats have a plan to hack the election results! I see Congressional hearings, 60 minutes, Dateline! This will be bigger than GARY CONDIT!

[sam sarrha]

15. They will blame the Demos if they lose, .....

[MadHound]

16. What utter foolishness

This is idiotic on many levels. First, we have a great hammer to beat the 'Pugs over the head with, Diebold machines can be tracked straight back to major 'Pug backers. Why muddy the water with rumors that Dems are hacking the machines? Second, if these rumors are started, it is guaranteed to backfire on us. Hell, there are wingnuts(and average citizens also) who admit that Florida was stolen from us, but so what, St. Louis polls were forced to stay open late, thus since both sides cheat, they balance out. We DO NOT want that to happen with the Diebold story. Third, if you wish to get this out into the open, rumors aren't the way to do it. Write your papers, TV, and other media outlets. Have a little faith, this story is coming out drip drip drip. But it will burst before the '04 election. First in places like Mother Jones, then the foreign press, then NPR, the the evening TV news. Rumor mongering that Dem hackers are behind it will just turn around and bite the Dems on the ass.

[Changenow]

20. The powers that be aren’t interested in this problem

because as things stand now the very worst case is that the election results will be falsified to their benefit. If there is the possibility that the results will not benefit them then maybe it would get their attention.

Seriously, what do you think it would take to get the issue addressed?

[MadHound]

22. Time is what is needed

I've seen things like this at work before. Somebody gets ahold of a big issue the major media is ignoring, agitates around here about it, gets to work making the case, it gets picked up by some liberal mag, then NPR or Pacifica pick it up, then it goes into the mainstream media.

Starting a rumor that Dems are hacking the machines might(or not) make the mainstream media pick up this issue faster, but if they do it will simply bite us. Be patient, we all want change now, but anything takes some time.

[Az]

25. Ease up, your grinding metal

- Aliens

Seriously though. I suspect this is mostly a venting post. Some here had hoped that the entire repuke empire would come tumbling down as the people realised what horrors had been down by them. Instead we get some tepid responses from the media and it seems to be blowing over.

Technically I agree with you that this thing still has legs. There are reporters out there right now chasing down leads. Just because the mainline media and the most visible talking heads are conservative does not mean the entirety of the industry in owned. If this has merit it will break. In the mean time some want to vent a little steam.

[monkeyboy]

19. I think it's a great idea

That way, the Pukes will finally realize that their little machines can be used against them, and either scrap or fix them. As far as people thinking that Dems are cheating, it doesn't seem to matter that the Pukes cheat, so what's the problem?

[gristy]

23. We can chat all we want about this.

These machines are secure. They can't be hacked.

[Trajan]

27. There is no such thing ....

as an unhackable system ......

[Changenow]

28. Why do you think that?

Do you know something that isn't in all those reports that have been released? I'm not kidding here, do you know something? or are you kidding?

[aquart]

40. Okay, that was funny.

[rock]

24. Your question makes one pause

Why do the Repukes (they're the ones so gung-ho for this system of voting) think they will be the ones to benefit? Do they really think we're that trustworthy?

[Az]

29. Because the company is owned by major repuke supporters

Diebold is owned by heavy backers of the repuke party.

[shirlden]

26. Vote Fraud is a non-partisan opportunity.

Only exit polls and paper trails can assure our vote security.
I don't want anyone, Dem, Repug, Mafia, Foreign Agents, hacksters, pranksters, CIA, etc. being able to manipulate our voting. Who in hell said only American political parties would have an interest in this sport?
We are selling these monsters to other countries and who says our gov would not have an interest in changing a few votes in, say, Columbia or Niger or where ever we have a "national interest" in an election?
Let's start a thread on how many different people or organizations in the world would have an interest in vote fraud in our country.
All I see are the arrogant Repugs trying to stop a certifiable audit trail. Don't they realize they can be "had" too ??

:think:

[ElementaryPenguin]

30. I read somewhere that Al Qaeda was going to rig U.S. elections...

Taking full advantage of the absence of a paper trail!! Are Americans ready for forces like Al Qaeda determining our leaders?? This is crazy!! We need to go to a simple pen and paper ballot - the type used in several other countries!!

[aquart]

31. Well, gee whizzikers, I sure hope so.

What was the point of figuring out the silly things otherwise?

(Republicans never imagine that someone might do exactly what they've done. The concept of "precedent" just doesn't enter their tiny shrunken heads--I mean, minds.

[ParanoidPat]

32. Just as long as I can send the FBI and Secret Service to your house....

.....to kick in your door, seize your computer and arrest your ass!
This is a really stupid post that could have serious consequences for some people who have been doing everything they can LEGALLY to protect YOUR RIGHT TO VOTE! The FBI and SS are not known for their sense of humor!
So far at least 3 states have moved to make sure these machines are not used until the problems are addressed. More are sure to follow.

So what exactly have you done legally to help? I suggest before you post another poorly thought out thread like this you first take 5 minutes to contact the Secretary of State for your state as well as your state and local elections officials and let your elected representatives know how you feel instead of trying to make all of the BBV people look bad!

[Junkdrawer]

33. Ain't gonna happen...

1.) Diebold is being forced to rewrite its code - the Johns Hopkins report pretty much guarantees that. Any hack that relies on the old Diebold code will fail.

2.) Insider hacks will always trump outsider hacks. And you won't get access to the county-level election management systems. And guess who sells the machines and the county-level election management systems? Hint: not Democrats.

I agree with Carlos (how about that), this kind of talk only works against us.

[Name removed]

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[Changenow]

36. This thread is more of a spoof than anything.

It represents the level of frustration that people feel about the absence of real coverage by the media of this critical issue and the belief that it is caused by media bias. It’s doubtful that anyone will read this thread and seriously think that hackers are making a plan to subvert the election process in a public web page and encouraging their plans be advertised.

[ParanoidPat]

37. Gee, there was a guy in a bar that made a 'joke'....

....about a 'burning bush' that no sane person would have taken seriously. He is now doing time in a FEDERAL PRISON!
Don't forget that under the current laws, thanks to the Patriot Act, a 'little joke' like this could be turned into a federal case and get DU shut down. Will you still think it's just harmless fun then?

As far as the media is concerned, just because you don't see this story on page 1 of every paper every day does not mean it's not being widely covered, with more stories coming out every day! :)

[Gman2]

38. revision.

Ok Then. Al Queda is the culprit. They are using the Diebold flaws to disrupt our election process. As a minimal step, we need immediate paper trail and exit polling. Jimmy Carter to monitor. scientific sampling of those paper receipts. And an investigation of fishy election results now history. At the very least, if we are going to have touchscreens, the gov. should run it and I dont mean DARPA.

[ParanoidPat]

39. Have you called, written or e-mailed your Secretary of State.....

....and State Elections officials yet? If you need the contact information for the officials in your state just click here! :evilgrin:

[RedEagle]

44. After the NASS meeting....

...where our Republican, let there be no audit trail, Secretary of State was put on some election committee and the SOS's decided to shelve the topic of voting security until their next, financed by the big voting companies meeting....

Part of the problem is the Secretary's of State. There's not much oversight of this position and a lot of potential power. Therefore, entitities like the Election Center and others have been working full time "helping" SOS craft voting legislation that gives them full power to make any darn changes in the software they want, cetified or not and state legislators pass laws prohibiting actual people counting the votes because they didn't read or understand the legislation and they TRUSTED the Secretary of State.

I hope you have a good one, because it will make your battle easier. In this state, ours and his predecessor are a major part of the problem and also contribute to the national problem.

Don't stop with those people- raise cain with county officials and let your state legislators know you want some action.

[qb]

41. Apolitical hackers rig political victory for Micky Mouse & Santa Clause

Given what I've heard about hard-core hackers (they're more interested in seeing what they can get away with as opposed to achieving political or financial ends), I see this as a more likely (and desireable) alternative.

[markus]

43. Or "Ficus"

Vote for Ficus. His ass is a hole in the ground.

[Generic Other]

42. Hey Mr. Gman, are you trying to entrap someone?

Democrats don't cheat at the polls. They don't even cheat on their taxes. They only cheat on their spouses. We spent millions of taxpayer dollars proving that, didn't we?

[Redleg]

45. I don't think so.

Nice try, though.