"God's gift is freedom." No George, God's gift is free will.

[alcuno]

WHO in America is going to attack this right-wing religious freak who is touting that it's God's will for him to invade a sovereign nation and free its people? It's not freedom, you twit, it's free will that is God's gift.

He just gets to make up any old piece of garbage, claims it's Christian thinking, and people ooh and aah over his piousness. I'm just mad because Woodward, who appears not to understand Christianity, keeps pushing this line about "God's gift is freedom."

[Emboldened Chimp]

1. What god?

[cerulean_ink]

2. Did you guys not get the WH memo? Bush is god. n/t

[alcuno]

3. Welcome to DU, cerulean_ink

If he's not careful, he's going to get struck by lightning for talk like that.

[cerulean_ink]

7. Nah...

Probably just tied to a tree by some of those "crazy" Liberals. ;-)

[cerulean_ink]

16. If the editing period hadn't ended...

Edit: Thanks for the welcome :)

[wuushew]

4. God contradicts Free Will of all living beings including itself

A benevolent god all-knowing being only has one option in any situation, and that is the option that causes most good. Therefore a perfectly good all-knowing God has no free will.

An all-knowing god instantly knows all of it's future actions and therefore has no free will to change them. A god with no free will is not moral.
If an all-powerful and all-knowing God exists then this (by a long chain of cause and effect) denies any free will of any living being.

If God has free will, but never chooses evil, it is immoral because it could have created life in the same way: With free will, but also never choosing evil. Therefore God must be immoral, not all-powerful or not all-knowing.

In total I have concluded that the existence of a moral, all-knowing and all-powerful God is in contradiction to Free Will in many ways; both for God itself and any living beings.

http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/rm.html#FreeWill

[parasim]

5. far out, man

...now, if i only had something to smo... wait...

yeah...

:hippie:

[BabsSong]

6. Whatever, George---but who the hell appointed you the one to

decide who should have and who shouldn't and to shove a gun down people's throat and say "I'm here to give you goddamn freedom--and could I borrow a cup of oil while I'm at your front door"!!! In fact, maybe someone should point out the fact that since about 90% of this planet is not 'free' that a second term of this asshole could mean that we all are going to be drafted to fight wars all around the world. Also----did God tell George why the first to 'get da' freedom, man" had to be people sitting on oil???? God must either drive a SUV or has a name like Mobile.

[liberalhistorian]

8. As a Christian, I can say that you are

absolutely correct that we are given the gift of free will, and hopefully that free will will include kicking Shrubya's ass back to the tumbleweeds of Texas this November. Shrubya is no more Christian that Osama Bin Laden, and I'm sick of people swooning all over him because he CLAIMS to be Christian when he is so NOT Christian! Someone should remind these idiots that Hitler also claimed to be a pious Christian, and many of the German clergy swooned all over him and fell over themselves to do his bidding.

[alcuno]

11. A real perversion of Christianity.

And he's never challenged for it. If he wants to say he feels some responsibility for freeing people throughout the world, I could respect that. But to say he is doing God's will, when God gave us free will, is an outrage.

[liberalhistorian]

14. Outrage is an understatement.

His arrogance at claiming to be doing the direct bidding of God is just breathtaking.

[mmonk]

9. Freedom requires responsibility for self-rule

not invading armies.

[Crachet2004]

10. Yahweh was'nt too big on Freedom...he is more into obedience of Him,

Worship of Him, Commandments, Thou Shalt Nots, etc... The closest he ever came to anything like freedom for people was giving them Sundays off-but that was only 'to keep it Holy'.

No, the Framers were right: there should be a seperation of Church and State. The Constitution is more a celebration of Mankind and an enabler of our potential-whereas the Bible, time after time, details Gods efforts to deny us knowledge and to inhibit our efforts to ever compete with Him...for example: the story of the Tree of Knowledge, the Tower of Babel, the creation of Giants by crossing of Elohim blood with mortals, etc...

God did not give us our freedom...we have taken it ourselves. And now, in the name of God, Bush wants to take it away. If he really thinks in terms like that, he is even more dangerous and delusional than I thought-I thought he was just insanely greedy, like his old man.

Congress has got to step up to the plate and start checking presidential authority...that is all there is to it. The War on Terror is phony, and the war in Iraq is unjust. Eventually, there will be payback, for both.

[alcuno]

13. I'm no fan of the Old Testament.

There is no way that God gave us our freedom. It's this fundie thinking that God is up there handing out favors that is so irritating; that good things are given to us. * obviously DOES consider his "presidency" a gift. In his thinking, he's been rewarded. Can you imagine what he would do if God took it away from him?

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

12. Love it.

No kidding. It IS called free will. Not FREEDOM.

He is a total twit. To put it mildly.

[Djinn]

15. not according to millions of Christians/Jews/Muslims

who beleive that God laid down some fairly specific rules - if God was into "freedom" Georgie then how come you wont let gay people get married and why does your admin refuse to assist funding for thirld world medical centres that even mention abortion