MSNBC: Bush approval at 46% in BIG battleground state - OHIO!!!

[blm]

This was reported in a separate report by David Schuster on HARDBALL tonight.

Ohio is a bellweather state. A BIG BELLWEATHER STATE. This makes me certain that Bush's over-all poll numbers, hovering around 50% across the country, have got to be inflated. We are not hearing the whole story from some of the corporate media pollsters.

It is also important to note that NO Republican has ever taken office after losing Ohio.

[Failure]

1. I don't know...

I'm in Columbus and I'm seeing waaaay more shrub ads than Kerry ads...

[burythehatchet]

5. It sure seems to be helping!

:shrug:

[skooooo]

14. Maybe the ads are turning people off...??

Bush isn't getting the bang for his buck.

Here's a little kick for him tho!


:kick:

[Cronus Protagonist]

2. This is Diebold CEO's personal promise state, isn't it?

Isn't this the state that the CEO of Diebold promised to deliver to Bush?

http://brainbuttons.com/home.asp?stashid=13

[w13rd0]

4. Yes, it is...

...the CEO promised that he'd "deliver Ohio's electoral votes to Shrub"...

[Selwynn]

9. Can somone give me sources on this again...

[Andy_Stephenson]

15. Vanity Fair, The NY Times...

the LA times The Washington Post ummmm too many to mention.

:eyes:

Mother Jones

[Selwynn]

36. I love it how every time someone asks for a source you people act offended

I want a source so I can pass the information on to people that I lobby every day with facts about the dark side of the Bush Administration.

I remember hearing this story but didn't remember sources, I figured some of my fine friends at DU could help me out, so I asked.

This is like the SIXTH time I've asked for a source and the response have been less than helpful, sacrastic (-eyes-) or downright insulting. Please give me a break.

[Failure]

7. you are not going to believe this:

I've been in Wally O'Dell's house. I was playing piano for a fundraiser, and there were pictures of Wally and Shrubby all over the piano...:puke:

[symbolman]

23. sounds like a good spot

to spill your drink :)

[Failure]

26. the piano was a shitty old brown Steinway

:puke:

then there was Wally, buzzed...and his friends that were there were like billionaire fratboys, and I was playing the Steely Dan Song, "dirty work" as wally slapped one of his friends on the back and exclaimed, "There's the man, gettin' the job done"

I felt like peeing in his sinks.

[Catfight]

18. indeed it is...ohio will go to bush, and they'll be the Florida of 2004.

no reason to recount, no paper trail, no recounts, it'll be decided by the Ohio State Supreme Court, and of course...we know how those damn arbitrary judges are, right? He lost the popular vote last time, why do you all insist he won't lose again and win? Fool America once, shame on you, fool America twice, shame on the democrats.

[Earth_First]

19. Ohio 2004 will not be Florida 2000...

this is Kucinich's state, never in a million years...

[Catfight]

21. You under-estimate the corruption of Bush.

I hope you're correct, but I just don't have as much faith when the CEO of Diebold promised Ohio to W, and they refuse to have a paper trail.

[gristy]

3. * approval is between 43% and 53% nationally (see graph below).

A 46% approval in Ohio seems pretty poor for the shrub.

http://www.radiofreemonkey.com:8080/charts/img_bush_approval.gif

[Deja Q]

8. Amazing. It takes violence and destruction in order for * to

get popular again. x(

He's the fuckin' antichrist and people are the blitzed sheep... those against * turn into mutton...

[krkaufman]

10. wow, that's a helluva trend graph..! n/t

[GR]

6. If The Red States Get Redder Bush's Approval Ratings Go Up..

But in reality, those increases are meaningless for election purposes.

[Blue-Jay]

11. Ohio is ours.

I've said it here many times, and I'll say it again. We OWN Ohio this year. Think about it: Ohio has always been a "swing state" in that there are a huge number of voters that decide based on the blowing of the wind. (sad, but true) Right now, Ohioans are acutely aware of the number of manufacturing jobs that have been lost, and the fence-sitters will vote against the incumbant based on that issue alone.

Anecdotal evidence, for what it's worth: I've talked to many former Bush voters that will not make the same mistake twice. Not ONCE have I talked to a 2000 Gore-supporter that has changed his/her mind. I'm confident. Barring Diebold shennighans, Ohio will deliver the presidency to John Kerry. Count on it. Bookmark it. I'll take an ass-kicking if I'm wrong.

[osaMABUSh]

32. Right, the net of Gore vs Bush voters is a plus for Kerry

Here's a simple question will more Gore voters go for Bush or more '00 Bush voters go for Kerry? Answer that and you have your winner in '04.

[Gothmog]

12. WOW If Kerry takes Ohio, then it all over

46% approval rating is darn low. If Senator Kerry takes Ohio, then Bush is done for.

I would not be surprised to see even more ads in Ohio soon.

[skooooo]

16. ......unless Diebold steals it.....

[BabsSong]

13. Conglomerate of Poll numbers tonight on national news show

that Kerry is ahead in the battle ground states by a number of points (cannot remember how much). If Nader is added it's 45-45 split. This was on one of the evening national news casts. So Kerry is pulling more in the battleground states. But now it's time for you to jump in and tell how all polls are stinking frauds----which means, I guess that Kerry really isn't ahead, right. Or is that only if Bush is ahead that it's a fraud....can't keep track.....

[DaveSZ]

17. No

If we win Ohio but lose Penn., Bush still wins.

We need both those states, but things are looking up though. :)

[blm]

20. "only if Bush is ahead that it's a fraud."

You certainly have a way with words when you want to take a poke at DU.

Interesting approach, Meli.

[ShaneGR]

22. Yup, he is not well liked here

Even our Republican Senators have been known to oppose him on some stuff.

[BillZBubb]

24. Ohio is THE state in this election

It will determine the next president. If Kerry loses there, he's pretty much out of it.

But how in the hell could 46% approve of Vacationboy? Sometimes this country even undershoots my minimal expectations.

[dsc]

25. Ohio will be tough

We have all kinds of problems. First, Clinton only got 47.7% of the vote in 96 (to 41.6% for Dole). That won't win it for Kerry and the Democratic parts of Ohio have lost population relative to the Republican parts.

http://www.multied.com/elections/1996.html

In 2000, Gore got 46.4% in his losing effort though he got slightly more votes than Clinton did. Though he did famously stop running ads in October. But Kerry is going to need at least 49% to win here (assuming a 3% Nader showing). If Nader does worse than Kerry will need more to win. Carter got 48.9%.

http://www.multied.com/elections/2000certified.html

http://www.multied.com/elections/1976state.html

You have to go back to 1964 to find a Democratic nominee who took Ohio with over 50% of the vote. I don't see Kerry managing that feat either. Our Democratic party is in deep trouble. We have no statewide elected partisan officials. We are in the minority in both houses of the Assembly, and on the Supreme Court. In short, we are in a deep mess. That is one of the reasons I have harped and harped on Kerry getting an organization here. There isn't a Democratic organization to speak of here. I hope he is doing it. I fear he isn't.

[OnionPatch]

29. I grew up in Ohio

I'm curious, what area is considered the Democrat part and what is the Republican part? We were in the eastern part, just west of Pittsburgh, PA. My mother is still there in a rural area and told me yesterday that one of her neighbors just put a big, hand-painted "BUSH SUCKS" sign up in the yard. She thought most of her neighbors were Republicans.

[yardwork]

31. Welcome to DU Onion Patch!

I grew up in rural Eastern Ohio. It was hugely conservative. However, I have a strong feeling that they are mad at Chimpy. He's just not their type.

[OnionPatch]

34. Thanks

Gee maybe we knew each other!
There were a lot of steelworkers and coal miners in eastern OH so I guess I figured there would be more Dems. But it is pretty rural which usually means Republican.
So, if the rural area is Republican, where is the Dem area? Cleveland? Toledo? My relatives in Columbus are all very, very liberal.

[dsc]

33. You grew up pretty close to me

The northern part of Ohio (Toledo, Cleveland, Youngstown, Warren, Akron, and much of the connecting areas). The Republican areas are places such as Cincinnati and the rural areas of southeast Ohio. Also Columbus is pretty Republican. If you grew up south of Youngstown you probably did grow up in a Republican area.

[newyawker99]

38. Hi OnionPatch!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Octafish]

27. The TRUTH HURTS!

Keep getting the word out, blm and DU! That's why the VRWC is working 24/7 at max vol on behalf of the Little Turd from Crawford and his main handler, Sneer.

These gangsters are starting to run scared. If they weren't so deadly, they'd be funny. Well, we can't let up until they're all dressed in their natural jail jumpsuit orange.

Until then, here's an image that brought me a moment's peace of mind, a natural pose for the members of the BFEE:



Even dim clown puppets (especially sad ones)
know what pulls their unctuous strings.

[blm]

37. heh...

you're aces. ;)

[leesa]

28. Very good news!! And O'Dell is on the record stating he would deliver

Ohio's vote to Bush. Hope they are waking up to this sleazeball and the criminal behavior of the GOP.

[yardwork]

30. Ohioans don't like to be told what to do.

I grew up there. It's a contrary state. Diebold's statement was a huge blunder. That alone will turn a lot of crusty old Republicans against Chimpy.

They're already mad at him for Iraq, anyway. They don't like shirkers and draft-dodgers in Ohio, and they can tell the difference between Chimp's record and Kerry's record.

[scarface2004]

35. c mon ohio!!!!!

amerika turns its lonely eyes to you....it s up to you now!!!!