What Does It Take for the Military to Arrest Bush?

[TNOE]

Isn't it waaaaayyyyyy past time?

[kixot]

1. mmmmmmm, Bush and Cheney in a hole in Levenworth.

Talk about your wet dreams.

[MissMarple]

2. They would have to arrest the entire George&Co.

Would we need more jails?

[bahrbearian]

4. No just Gitmo.

[Dookus]

3. umm...

I would hope we NEVER reach a point where the military is arresting political leaders.

[MissMarple]

5. Who would arrest George for a charge of treason?

Surely not the Washington DC police. This topic does provoke an interesting train of thought, though.

[Dookus]

8. The President

is not subject to military arrest.

If he were charged with a crime, and refused to turn himself in, he would be arrested by whatever force was authorized to arrest him - probably the FBI.

[Cuban_Liberal]

18. I'd say the Marshal's Service.

But definitely a civilian agency. :)

[Dookus]

23. thank you...

you know better than I what agencies are authorized to arrest anybody.

But I fucking *KNOW* that the military AIN'T so-authorized.

[JohnOneillsMemory]

6. How about their oath to protect the Constitution?

The retired military people I know take that oath seriously. Telling them the Patriot Act gutted the Bill of Rights freaked them out and made them realize how fucked we are and by whom.

[Dookus]

11. The military

has no authority to arrest civilians. Nor should they.

[JohnOneillsMemory]

14. True. But they are required to discern legit chain of command+legal orders

[DoYouEverWonder]

7. A peaceful coup was bad enough

a military coup would be devastating.

However, the public outcry should be so great that these criminals are forced to resign in disgrace soon.

[keithyboy]

9. Good question. It would take 'courage' something in short supply in US

The courage to speak truth to power, to stand for humanity, to say not to genocide, to say no to greed, to say no to lying, to say yes to love, respect, decency, truth, fairness, humility, humanity.

So I guess it's hopeless.

[Dookus]

10. A military coup

would do nothing to further love, respect, decency, truth, fairness, humility or humanity.

We have a civilian justice system. I don't understand the desire to give that up.

[keithyboy]

15. It's not a 'desire' to give it up. It's already been taken from us.

No one will tell us.

[Dookus]

17. I disagree

we still have a civilian political system. I'm not ready to turn it over to the military.

[keithyboy]

20. Well, we civilians aren't doing such a great job.

"The History of the present King of (the United States) is a History of repeated Injuries and Usurpations, all having in direct Object the Establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid World.

HE has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public Good.
...
...

HE has called together Legislative Bodies at Places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the Depository of their public Records, for the sole Purpose of fatiguing them into Compliance with his Measures.

HE has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly Firmness his Invasions on the Rights of the People.
...

HE has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the Tenure of their Offices, and the Amount and Payment of their Salaries.

HE has erected a Multitude of new Offices, and sent hither Swarms of Officers to harrass our People, and eat out their Substance.
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HE has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.
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FOR depriving us, in many Cases, of the Benefits of Trial by Jury:

FOR transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended Offences:

FOR abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an arbitrary Government, and enlarging its Boundaries, so as to render it at once an Example and fit Instrument for introducing the same absolute Rules into these Colonies:

FOR taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

FOR suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with Power to legislate for us in all Cases whatsoever.

HE has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
...
HE is, at this Time, transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the Works of Death, Desolation, and Tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty and Perfidy, scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous Ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized Nation.
....
... Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated Injury. A Prince, whose Character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the Ruler of a free People.

From
United States Declaration of Independence

[Dookus]

21. yes...

I recognize the text.

However, I still believe that we have a civil system for removing Bush from office, and I'm loath to let the military do it.

A military coup would be the end of our "great experiment".

[TNOE]

12. All I'm Saying is -

there should be SOMETHING somewhere - if you have a pResident who has obviously lost his mind... seizure, stroke, drug addiction, cocaine habit, serious alcoholic.... and with his fingers on the BUTTONS - there has to be some way he can be forcibly removed for the safety of the country - and other nations as well.

He is OBVIOUSLY mentally unstable, which is apparent in his speech and behavior. If they arrest this bunch, doesn't mean we will be under military control for long - the could put Gore in his rightful place temporarily until a new election.

What we have done today - we are absolutely no different than HITLER/GERMANY - and I refuse to be a part of this blood shed any longer.

[PaDUer]

13. KICK n/t

[Dookus]

16. There *IS* a system...

the cabinet can decide he's incompetent and turn over the duties to the Vice President.

[Karenina]

19. Yes, it is WAAAAAYYYYY past time.

Bremer & Kimmitt make the Mad Hatter & Red Queen look SANE. Your kids (and untold numbers of others' kids) are being SLAUGHTERED while *crusader bunnypants strikes matches to throw into a barrel of petroleum, his machine dissing a guy who still got schrapnel somewhere near butt level. Meanwhile the kid units are returned to you FUBAR on a daily basis. I JUST DON'T GET IT. You all must KNOW better. It's too BIZARRE!

Octafish! Bist Du drin? What's happening with BCCI? We need a Bath, a nice, hot Bath. WHERE IS THAT GUY??? Hmmmm.... :freak: :freak: :freak:

WHAT DOES IT TAKE to get folks to WAKE UP and smell the FAIR TRADE COFFEE?

G_j, have we the chance of a snowball in hell to get them to do so before Biotopf-Mom has a "snapping experience?" When SHE goes off, you can kiss your ass goodbye. Y'all KNOW what I mean. Been there, done that. R-E-S-P-E-C-T or you get slapped into next week.

L. und ich war 6 hours on a trail in Swizerland without seeing another human. Crawled over a peak (rocks falling under my feet), walked across a glacier. Dropped a rock in a hole burnt by another, sssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssplash!!! Clouds rolled in, got the fuck outta dey, sofort. I was singing in the rain, "Vallereeee... Valleraaaa... my knapsack on my back" so She'd "sort me out." Survival depends on respect for Mother Nature.

Respect is in short supply these times.

*dimwit dauphin dress-up doll is the pinnacle of BLATANT disrespect. Or at least I certainly hope so. Anyone else privy to the tale of his putting his boot-clad feet on Bab's table proclaiming his presidency? (I recall Poppy running the same line about broccoli). Yet she cannot bother her "beautiful mind" about YOUR KIDS getting killed. Dare criticize *hers and you're DEAD. Somebody get me some linkness! ;-)

There's a pic with the Pope holding his head in his hand and another of your "fearless leader" legs spread and thumbs up with Kofi Annan.
"You got blacks in Brazil?" Helicopter tracks in the Queen's garden, spitting on the White House lawn, chewing gum in Moscow using other's clothing to polish glasses, NOT SHOWING UP for military duty? Somebody's gotta be kidding me.

Proffering this *paper doll corporate shill as a "leader" is absurd. The man cannot string 10 words together into a coherent sentence without assistance, much less convey anything but his inherited fascist-fueled ideas. The people behind him are a SERIOUS THREAT to our species (already took or trying to take down numbers of others- me jes appealing to that homo-sapiencentric thang). They OWN the technology to kill BILLIONS. And they're NUTS. So even if you're not into Spotted Owls, please take note: this is about YOU, TOO.

The question is WHO WILL STAND UP AND SAY NO?

Film at 11.

[havocmom]

22. That would be a mutiny which would have to start from the bottom up

like in the USSR when the common soldiers refused to fire on mothers and grandmothers.

Once the officers saw that the enlisted men were refusing to comply with illegitimate/immoral orders, they would have to do the same. There's a lot more privates than generals. Likely the brass would stand down and have a civilian body actually remove the treasonous bastards, with the protection of the military, of course.

Or a more direct approach would be intel people just tidying up like they have done in other nations which were deemed worthy of regime change. After the Plame outing, there are probably plenty with cause to be a trifle annoyed.

My big hope in all this is that the briefcase carried around for the CIC is not actually filled with any codes for firing off anything more dangerous than a paint ball gun. One would hope for at least that ounce of protection for the world.

[Dookus]

24. wow...

I can't believe ANYBODY is suggesting the military is the body to deal with issues like this instead of the electorate or the civil authorities.

[havocmom]

25. not suggesting the military, just giving my theory on what it would take.

It would take the enlisteds not following illegal orders.

If it comes to it, are our troops any more likely to fire on our own people that the Soviet troops were to shoot theirs? I think if it came down to the necseeity to remove the CIC, the decision would be made because the rank and file troops refused to follow illegal orders, which by the way, I believe they are obligated to refuse.

If the military refused to follow the CIC, then civilians would be the ones (with protection) to do the task of reorganizing the civilian chain of command over that military.