Planned Parenthood to stalk Karen Hughes on her book tour

[CatWoman]

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Join Karen Hughes on tour



Planned Parenthood is organizing a petition drive to protest Karen Hughes' recent offensive remarks about reproductive rights supporters. They're going to follow Hughes around on her book tour and try to make her say sorry.

You can join in the fun by signing up here.


http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/index.html

[stopthegop]

1. both sides insult each other...

what Hughes said not really worse than saying pro-lifers want to return 'to days of women dying from back alley abortions'...

[el_gato]

2. anit-choice people want to make abortion illegal

what do you think happens when abortion becomes illegal?
back alley aboritons that what.
How is that not accurate?

[BiggJawn]

3. Because the "pro-lifers" don't say that...

They say "We LOVE babies! We want to SAVE babies!"

They leave it up to us to colour in the sketch. Then WE get blamed for hyperbole......

[stopthegop]

5. so you really believe pro-lifers want women to die?

as opposed to stopping abortions from happening?

[ant]

17. even worse

they simply don't care.

Technically you're right. Pro-lifers are simply concernced with saving the unborn, nothing else. Problem is, they don't care that a consequence of what they want is dead women. And that is a cosequence. Pro-lifers simply refuse to think beyond their demands to consider the consequences of implementing an abortion ban. It's like saying, "I never wanted to get Americans involved in an endless war in Iraq! I just wanted to liberate the oppressed from Saddam's evil grip!" I'm not buying it from Bush, and I'm not buying it from the lifers.

If you advocate a policy you are most definitely responsible for the consequence of that policy.

[outinforce]

42. Have You Considered The Possibility

Have you ever considered the possibility that you are defining "pro-lifers" at the extreme?

That is, you say, "Pro-lifers simply refuse to think beyond their demands to consider the consequences of implementing an abortion ban."

Of course, if you define (as you appear to do) "pro-lifers: as wanting a total and complete ban on abortion, then your other statement, "they don't care that a consequence of what they want is dead women.", is a true statement.

The fact that you may be overlooking, however, is that there are lots and lots and lots of pro-lifers -- indeed, I would say most people who consider themselves to be pro-life, who would never in a million years say that they support a total and complete ban on abortions.

[ant]

50. then what do they want?

States are already free to regulate abortion in the third trimester (generally), and many do.

The majority of abortions - over 90%, if I remember correctly - are had in the first 10 weeks of pregnancy. I would assume, then, that those are the abortions pro-lifers seek to regulate. If your claim that lifers don't want an outright ban is based on the fact that most would make exceptions for rape or incest, my comments stand. The difficulties and consequences of enforcing such a ban, even with the exceptions, will have very serious consequences for women's health care.

For instance, how will the law be enforced? Will women's medical records be open to the public? If not, how will we know whether or not their health care is illegal? Who is going to monitor who gets abortions when, and how will they do that? Will all miscarriages be investigated? If I can't get an abortion, what if I just drink myself into a miscarriage? (I know a woman who did this in high school, by the way.) If exceptions are only made for rape or incest, will the law require conviction or merely a report? In cases where the law has been violated, will women be prosecuted or just doctors?

You get the idea. Abortion, like drugs, is a symptom of greater problems, and banning symptoms is never wise. It just creates more problems without solving anything at all.

[outinforce]

57. Some Want Abortions

to be safe, legal, and rare.

It's that rare part that often gets pro-choice folks worked up.

It's really not too much different from how a lot of people feel about smoking.

There are some folks who feel that adults should be able to smoke, but who, at the same time, wrok as hard as they can to make smoking as rare as it can be. These folks try to convince adults that smoking is wrong. They do what they can to get people who might be thinking about smoking to stop. They run ads on TV saying that smoking is stupid. But they do not suggest a ban on smoking.

They would never in a million years support a ban on smoking.

Nor would they ever be able to support or understand a march in Washington in favor of "the right to choose" to smoke. Because they are truly not in favor of smoking.

[fudge stripe cookays]

51. Blah blah blah

Blah blah blah.....

[truthspeaker]

21. some of them, yes indeed

[sendero]

23. What they really want...

.... is to force upon people the consequences of sex. They clearly don't care about kids, they will cut child welfare funding to zero given half a chance.

It's all about doing the "punishment" if you do the "crime". IMHO, which I realize will be shared by few. :)

[supernova]

30. Yep, and it's especially about punishing women

for sex. Can't have women enjoying sex, oh no. None of that now. You might get out of hand and want certain things like degrees, jobs and GASP! .... the Presidency!!

:eyes:

Eve, it's all your fault.

[SharonAnn]

40. They want to force the consequences of sex on WOMEN!

That's all they're concerned about.

[outinforce]

43. Sorry, But Your Statement Has About as Much Validity

as someone saying that making men pay child support is all about "punishment" for men having sex.

It demeans the complexity of the issue, and it demonizes unfairly people who disagree with your position.

[sendero]

46. sorry ....

>>as someone saying that making men pay child support is all about "punishment" for men having sex

Your analogy is valid only if you believe that every conception is obligated to produce a child. Not a position that a majority of Americans agree with.

[outinforce]

55. I Do Not Understand What You Are Saying Here

Could you perhaps elaborate?

[FizzFuzz]

48. I share your view!

though "force upon people" I would amend to "force upon WOMEN"...
punishment delivered (sorry pun not on purpose) by means of childbirth is a punishment that weighs mostly on women.

[Carolina]

38. yes, they

don't give a rip about women or children. Anyone with a single neuron working knows that making abortion illegal AGAIN will not make it unavailable. Instead, however, the purveyors or providers will be the untrained working in unsterile settings which means MORE maternal morbidity and mortality.

Further, if pro-lifers really cared about children, as opposed to convenient fetuses, they would channel their time, money and energy into helping those already born who are in need of homes, food, healthcare, educational opportunity, etc. But they don't now, do they?!

Anti-abortion activists care only about control. Against abortion, don't have one; but don't presume to tell me what I can/cannot do with my body, PERIOD!

[TankLV]

41. It's their "love affair w/the fetus" and fuck the baby born as a result..

THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THE WOMAN.

Once the "baby" is born, they don't care what happens to it, either.

[VTMechEngr]

45. YEP

They believe the child is more important than the mere "vessel" that carries it. Hence the lack of exceptions to preserve a Mother's health.

[stopthegop]

6. dupe...sorry

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[nothingshocksmeanymore]

If women CAN AND WILL die from black market unsterile abortions

performed more likely than not by non licensed physicians should they become illegal (as most physicians certainly wouldn't risk their license) then YES..that is what PRO-LIFERS want.

[redqueen]

9. You can't separate the two

It's like prohibition. They outlawed alcohol -- did the drinking stop? No.

Before Roe v. Wade, did abortions not happen? No, they happend just the same, only with lots more deaths.

So, the question then becomes: which makes more sense? Allowing women who do not want children to terminate pregnancies early, or forcing them to risk death (because you know many will) in order to stop a few abortions?

[tandot]

4. She essentially called all pro-choice people terrorists and

compared them to the 9/11 hijackers.

I think there is a difference.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

7. Wow STGOP defends the Republican view..I'm shocked!

NOT

Please explain HOW it is insulting to the OTHER side to say they want a return to back alley abortions. If abortions are NOT legal and are performed via the black market without access to properly licensed physicians then that IS the result. That is FAR different than being called a terrorist for supporting a right.

Furthermore, how many pro-choice advocates have bombed anti-abortion offices or mailed them powders, anthrax, or targetted then for murder.
Karen Hughes dismisses the actual terrorism of the Randall Terry's of the world while comparing those that would leave the decision to the woman and her doctor of terrorism.

Finally, you defend Republicans so much I have to wonder if your handle is not a joke.

[redqueen]

11. Yeah, shocking isn't it? That NEVER happens! n/t

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

14. Yeah it never happens..not here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=513599#513604

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

15. nor here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=505865#505912

nor here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=105&topic_id=1059565#1059664

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[stopthegop]

13. ok...

if abortions are made illegal...some women will not have them..no way to know how many...those that choose to have an abortion have a certain amount of responsibility for the risk they take.

not everyone agrees abortion is a right....country is pretty evenly split on it

as to pro-life terrorists..good question: how many...not a lot, compared to the total number..unless you count those who picket clinics, which is silly/dishonest if no one is assaulted or harmed...

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

19. The country IS NOT evenly split on THAT aspect although they may be

closely split on favoring some restrictions.

So you think women should risk their lives getting a black market abortion if they are unable to obtain one legally? Barbaric?

And there you are MINIMIZING what right wingers do again....

BTW< define harming....there was a Planned Parenthood Clinic in my former office building. One of my employees was pregnant and HUGE and these stupid fucks accosted her on several occasions believing she was going to PP rather than going to work.

We finally had to let her go on maternity leave early as the STRESS of walking on the property in the morning was making her blood pressure go haywire.

ANY amount of threat to a person performing or obtaining a LEGAL procedure is too many.

Again, it's not just abortion..it's defending those who attack Kerry, posts such as this that make me wonder how the fuck you have lasted so long here.

Is it your intention to StoptheGOP by becoming them?

[MooPie]

20. So let me see now,

If abortion becomes illegal, and I'm not rich enough to fly to another country where it is legal, then if I decide to seek some back alley abortion which ends up taking my life, then it's MY fault, and not the fault of a misogynistic society that subordinates women to a fetus. So basically your position is "Well, I didn't WANT you to die, but too bad if you do because that's the choice YOU made, and I don't feel sorry for you because giving birth certainly trumps a woman having reproductive control."

[mitchtv]

44. If you do survivive, I'm sure the "pro Life"-anti choice

fanatics will support a death penalty for you and the Doctor.

[supernova]

22. Why do you find it necessary

to defend Karen Hughes? Hmmmm....

What she said was absolutely dispicable and pathetic. Nevermind that without birth control herself, she would never have obtained a position in the WH. It truely astounds me that conservative women advocate a return to the Middle Ages for the rest of us, but keep their own options open. Hypocrite.

edit: If conservative women like Karen Hughes are so fired up about "pro-life" why aren't they at home with their 15 babies and shutting the hell up so as not to damage the lives of other women?

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

24. He also defends those making an issue out of Kerry's medals..more HMMMM

[rumguy]

25. Karen Hughes crossed the line when she brought the "war on terror"

into this domestic policy issue...

if you can't see that...well I have nothing more to say to you...

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

27. I love that we are turning you into a feminist

:D

[rumguy]

31. ha

I guess so, my mom worked at a planned parenthood clinic back in the 90s...so I'm pro-choice and always will be...

[supernova]

34. Are you single?

I get all tingly when men talk feminist. :D

[rumguy]

35. lol single yes

but in Washington State...

[tandot]

29. "if abortions are made illegal" those rich Bush supporting women

just fly to a country where it is legal and where it will be kept a secret.

Poor women just have to use the good old clothes hanger method and are just sh*t out of luck if they die in the process.

[fudge stripe cookays]

52. Your last sentence is

insulting and disgusting to anyone who's ever had to run the gamut through these holier-than-thou psychopaths. There are more of them than any of us know.

Your language is a dead giveaway. Silly and Dishonest if no one is assaulted or harmed? What about the women who have nightmares for years about having to cross these lines for what should be a simple medical procedure?

Thanks fellow DUers for outing this freeper. You're now officially on my ignore list.

[northernsoul]

8. what she said really was worse

She essentially conflated anyone who doesn't think that overturning the law of the land (Roe) is a good idea with Al-Queda - that's a far cry from the usual rhetoric in this debate (which is usually pretty over-the-top anyways)

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

10. Do a search. This person always has a defense for the Republican position

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[Kathy in Cambridge]

18. Nice to see you're consistent in your spin

:eyes:

Tiresome. Transparent. :boring:

[Generator]

33. What an utter crock of sh*t

You want to compare me to being a terrorist, I suggest you GO work for the GOP because that's what they think all thinking, independent liberals are equal to terrorists. And they are trying to scare the shit out of this country into towing the line.

They say a vote for Kerry is letting the terrorists win. She said because I want the option of an abortion I AM EQUAL To a terrorist that devalues all life. Defending this woman's comments is not acceptable. PERIOD.


ALL WORDS ARE NOT EQUAL if you think that I doubt you are really interested in defeating the GOP.

[kiahzero]

47. One's truth, one's not

Unless, of course, you think that pro-choice individuals are terrorists.

If, in fact, you do think that, would you mind demonstrating how pro-choice individuals use violence against civilians as a means of coercing a government?

[noiretextatique]

49. there IS quite a difference between equating abortion with terrorism

(especially given the terrorist acts committed by anti-choice fanantics, like murdering doctors and bombing clinics) and stating what will happen if abortion is made illegal...again. one need only look at what happened when it was illegal before.

[Bandit]

56. BS

Calling Pro-Choice people the equivalent to terrorists is very much different to saying that they wish to turn back the clock to the days of illegal abortions. Your right-wing talking points are offensive to me.

[funkybutt]

12. what link do i click on to join the petition

i couldn't find where to sign up for the Karen Hughs thing

[VolcanoJen]

16. Save Roe - War on Choice - Protest Karen Hughes! LINK HERE

Sign up at this link, which also appears on the Salon website:

http://www.saveroe.com/content/index.php?pid=233

[supernova]

28. Thank you, VolcanoJen

I just signed the letter, since I don't think Karen will be putting in a appearance here in NC.

[fudge stripe cookays]

53. Thanks Jen!

Anyone seen a list yet of locales for signings?

I still have my sign from the March, and you can be damned sure I'll be out there with tons of friends I round up to make sure this cow knows we're mad.

[genius]

32. The protesters should sell an alternative book for people who can read

John Dean's book would be good.

[fudge stripe cookays]

54. Good idea!

I recommend Gloria Feldt's (PP) brand new book, "The War on Choice."

[Generator]

36. Thanks for posting this!

This gets my blood boiling like none other. Karen Hughes called everyone that is pro-choice a terrorist. That is not acceptable.

[Arugula Latte]

39. I love it when we fight back!

These bastards need to know their lies and hate-spewing will have consequences.