Bush again claims he was not informed, not in the know.

[searchingforlight]

How many times has he claimed that? How many things has he been out of the loop on? What the hell is his position anyway?

If he is leading from ignorance, why do so many think that he is a strong leader!!!

And, by the way, does anyone believe that he is really going to investigate this? He has promised to investigate so many things and nothing has come of it.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

1. News accounts contradict that..LA Times said he knew in December

[AlCzervik]

6. He's not even trying

to his his lies anymore. black is white, white is black and up is the new down. Could it be the the revolution is starting for real?

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. Believe Bush, you have to be kidding me!!!!!!!!!!

Oh Neil Abercrombie is PISSED OFF! Seriously PISSED OFF

[buff2]

3. He always uses that excuse

It's a pattern with him. If it's something bad...he didn't know about it. If it's something good,it was his idea.He is such a snake.

[burythehatchet]

4. on behalf of snakes everywhere.....

we resent that remark

[HawkerHurricane]

14. Runs in the family.

Remember then VP Bush (sr) saying he was 'out of the loop' on Iran/Contra? Amazing how he pardoned everyone and anyone who might have testified against him (in trade for a lighter sentence)?

[pinkpops]

5. Would an important man like the president want to know about

every tortured prisoner? It could depend on the President, I guess.

[jobycom]

7. Plausible deniability backfires when people catch on

After a while of claiming he doesn't know, a candidate either looks clueless, or dishonest. Bush is rare in that he can be both. This is all adding to his negative image.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

8. Agreed

[NewYorkerfromMass]

9. Good. Clearly he is not up to the job (for any who needed yet more proof)

and he has just lost (for good) a whole percentage point of support.
There's only so much of this clueless, hands-off style of a presidency that the people will take.

[kentuck]

10. Out of the loop....

Just like Poppy during Iran-Contra...

[NewYorkerfromMass]

That was senile old Ray-gun himself

Ron couldn't do shit for himself in 1986, nevermind manage all that covert activity and terrorist dealing.
but Poppy knew damn well what was going down. Shit- poppy orchestrated the anti-October Surprise deals with the Iranians.

[VolcanoJen]

22. When's Bush gonna roll out the old "point-to-ear-helicopter trick?

Ahh, my fondest memory of Ronny.

Any day now... any day now...

[Wapsie B]

13. My thoughts exactly.

n/t

[WFF]

11. Someone should make a list

I would love to have a list of things that Bush* has said that he wasn't informed about. If the Republicans are going to paint Kerry as a flip-flopper, then we can paint Bush* as someone constantly out of the loop.

[asjr]

12. It brings to mind is he managed.

Is he a puppet and doesn't know crap, or if he is the president why doesn't he know these things. You are right about him "being out of the loop" when he wants to be.

[Greylady]

16. I'd rather have the flip-flopper;

at least it shows he's paying attention. Does Bush know anything other than the way to Crawford?

[Cleita]

15. No one told Saddam anything he didn't want to hear because

they feared repercussions. * doesn't get told anything that upsets him either. Who is the evil person here? Seems like both are cut from the same rug to me. When he ruled Texas, the same size area as Iraq, maybe it seemed easy. It may be the size and diversity of our country that will be his undoing.

[neebob]

17. Today's Daily Mislead

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THE DAILY MIS-LEAD
http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=1169137&l=33095
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ADMINISTRATION OFFICIALS KNEW OF ABU GHRAIB REPORT

Since late February, the Pentagon has been in possession of a report
produced by Major General Antonio M. Taguba that details the abuse of Iraqis incarcerated in Baghdad's Abu Ghraib prison. <1> Months later, despite knowing of the 53-page report's existence, top administration officials responsible for the military still have not read the document.

White House officials told the Los Angeles Times that "the abuse of Iraqi prisoners sparked so much concern that President Bush was told about an investigation during the winter holidays." <2> But White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan tried to insulate the President from criticism by suggesting that the President was surprised by the report's findings.

McClellan told reporters yesterday that Bush "only become aware of the
photographs and the Pentagon's main internal report about the incidents from news reports last week." <3> Yet President Bush still has not read the report.

Three weeks before the press reported the story of the Abu Ghraib report, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Richard B. Myers knew enough about it to call Dan Rather and ask him to delay airing the story. <4> Yet, as of this Tuesday, Myers still hadn't read the report. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld said yesterday that he had merely "seen a summary."

SOURCES:
1. "Article 15-6 Investigation of the 800th Military Police Brigade by Maj. Gen. Antonio M. Taguba", http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=1169137&l=33096.
2. "Accountability at Issue in Abuse of Prisoners", LA Times, 5/5/04,
http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=1169137&l=33097.
3. "White House and Pentagon Scurry to Draft Responses", New York Times, 5/5/04, http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=1169137&l=33098.
4. "CBS delayed airing abuse story for two weeks", AP, 5/3/04,
http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=1169137&l=33099.

Visit Misleader.org for more about Bush Administration distortion.
http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=1169137&l=33100

[Old and In the Way]

18. The solution is supersaturated.

Just.....a.....few......more........drops......to......go.....

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[PurityOfEssence]

20. If he needs no advice or intelligence, how can he be out of the loop?

Preemtion is based on the premise of being correct. Secretiveness is justified by this fool knowing what he's doing, and thus needing no oversight. Since he repeatedly knows nothing about anything, of what good is he?

Let's not focus on the evil or the subverting of the government's mechanism, let's just focus on his incompetence: he's an amateur and a slobbering ninny.

Either he's running everything, or he doesn't know anything; hell, the guy admits that he doesn't do nuance.

[Kool Kitty]

21. This is absolutely insane.

There are at least three different versions of how much he DIDN'T know and when he DIDN'T know it. One source said he found out about this over the Christmas holiday. Scott wouldn't give a definitive answer (jeez, what a surprise). bush out to use this as his campaign slogan-"Vote for me. I'm the no-nothing President."

[dusty64]

23. Thats true, unfortunately

the stupid card seems to be working well for him.