Lieberman is running the dumbest campaign ever!

[wrkclskid]

I mean, someone please explain this to me. Does he not realize he is trying to get the Democratic nomination? Yet he goes out and endorses school vouchers! Geeez. A campaign strategist I know down in DC told me that he was trying to get the swing voters. Well they don't vote in our primary. Does he not know the steadfast rule that you run to the left or right (depending on your party) during the primary, and then to the center in the general election (and our candiate will run to the center, even Dean, I bet DK might also, but he won't get the nomination anyways.) Also he said he thought Lieberman was trying to appeal to a population which is growing more conservative (and it is), but even in a genral election I dont see this working. It is one thing to be more conservative on forgein issues (people want a strong cnadiate on national defense, and this will be an issue that could sink us,) but to endorse Republican ideas in education and other domestic issues? What reason are u giving the people to vote for you. Your the same thing. He is really an incompetent campaigner. (note: I know many people here have a problem with him but I am more interested in people's reactions to his strategy than his policies, their are hundreds of other Posts I can look on and see him called all sorts of nast names.)

[DemocratSinceBirth]

1. He is a poor campaigner

He needs to get out of the race before he makes a parody of himself if he has not already done so.

[Atlant]

4. This was evident during the Veep Debate.

> He is a poor campaigner

This was evident during the Veep Debate. I lost any respect
that I had for him when Cheney stated that Haliburton had
made all its money without the government's help (a blatant
lie!) and Lieberman laughed right along with Cheney instead
of taking that lie and driving it through Cheney's heart like
an oaken stake through a vampire.

Lieberman was either dreadfully incompent or willfully
throwing the debate.

Atlant

[Kolesar]

2. Why do you think they call him "Holy Joe"?

He panders shamelessly to religious institutions. Vouchers are nothing but a subsidy to religious schools.

[diplomats]

3. I mentioned what you said in another post

He is running a campaign geared to swing voters - but they don't vote in the primaries. His voting record isn't that bad actually. He should be stressing his progressive stands ather than his Repub-lite ones.

[dansolo]

5. He seems to be downplaying his own record

n/t

[Cascadian]

8. You know why he is downplaying it?

He knows he isn't going to win. People know his game. He might as well give it up and help with Bush's election campaign.

John

[wrkclskid]

6. I agree, he is no that bad

I am from CT and while I don;t like him as a President I think he is a fine Senator. I just think his campaign is toast. A lot of politics is percpetion and he is percieved by most activist democrats as being too far to the right. iIt would probably do him well to drop out, he is starting to anger a lot of people in CT because he isn't voting anymore in the Senate and it's like we only have one senator!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

7. I Wonder Where His Voters Will Go

if he has any left.

Lieberman's a bright guy. He has to know there is no way he captures the nomination so he hurts the guy closest to him ideologically.

I think that's Dick Gephardt though Gephardt is way to the left of Lieberman on welfare issues.

[Bombtrack]

9. not really, Lieberman is very corporate, Gephardt the opposite

he's not really that close to any induvidual one of the candidates

Graham perhaps

[Q]

10. The Anyone But Bush* Dems have already told Lieberman...

...they'd vote for him no matter what he does or says.

- That's not much of an incentive for him to appeal to the base.

[Cascadian]

12. They might as well throw that slogan out then.

If they vote for Lieberman and he wins (ho ho ho!), they will find he is no different than Bush.

John

[ButterflyBlood]

16. but without the base, he isn't going to win the nomination anyway

[tjdee]

11. The country is not more conservative.

That's just the poppycockiest poppycock, and every time I hear it I lose my mind, LOL.

Maybe *the voters* are, but the country at large is not. Half of us don't even vote.

[paulsbc]

13. i think

that he honestly believes what he says. he just doesn't realize that he is (a) in the wrong party and (b) boring as all heck.

Time to go, Joe...

[Blue-Jay]

14. Meh.

As each day passes, Lieberman reveals himself a bit more. If he actually gets the Democratic nod (not a chance in hell, IMO), I'll vote for him, but I'll still feel "dirty" doing so.

I'm stupid, OK? Will someone please tell me why he even bothers calling himself a "Democrat"?

[salin]

15. Another example of his "bright" campaign.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=163981

Joe, joe, joe, joe, joe... just what the heck are you thinkin?

[bodhisattava]

17. Lieberman is anything but dumb

because he does not intend to be anything except a spoiler for the Republican/PNAC crowd.He agrees with their agenda for world hegemony
because he believes that this would help Israel fend off the Arab/Muslim anger. He believes that drawing the US into the conflict
is the best way to assure Israel's security and, he knows that the Republican PNAC crowd ( Rumsfeld, Cheney, Bush) are likely to buy into this premise more so than any of the Democratic Party candidates.

All the rest of his positions and attacks on Democratic candidates
is designed to assure a Republican victory in 2004.

He is a fraud, pure and simple.Beware.

[northernsoul]

31. tinfoil hat time: what if he's actually a PNAC mole?

In my moments of darkest paranoia I sometimes wonder if Joe is actually (wittingly or not) The Cabal's hedge bet candidate. If BBV doesn't happen and B*sh gets caught murdering a thirteen year old hooker on national TV, The Cabal's agenda will still be safe and sound if the only alternative at the ballot box is Lieberman.

[KG]

18. he's running a great campaign!!!

if he was running as a repook! :)

[goforit]

19. And he is no match for Gore!!!

idiots certainly flock together!!!

[BiggJawn]

20. Lieberman's running a CAMPAIGN?

I thought he was providing comic relief for Dumbya?

Yeah, talking about Vouchers to a UNION CROWD! How much more cluless can you get?

Maybe he could explain to a United Farm Workers rally How Arnold "Terminator" supports them because he's an immigrant, too...

[Iluvleiberman]

21. So he supports vouchers?

So do most poor black folks I hate to tell you. And Joe has a lead in SC where lotsa blacks vote.

[ulysses]

22. Lieberman's voucher plan

will be funded to the point that it can send every poor black child in American to a private school? Coolness! I'll have to give Joe another look!

[Iluvleiberman]

23. No it's just a voting ploy

but it will score him some votes among poor voters in failing schools.

[ulysses]

24. "What's Wrong With the DLC 101"

No it's just a voting ploy but it will score him some votes among poor voters in failing schools.

Whose schools, of course, will fail even more rapidly after they give their pound of flesh to some fucking politician's voucher scheme.

:mad:

[Iluvleiberman]

25. Money thrown at the schools has done jack shit

It takes people who care, not more money. So obviously poor parents care about their kids and will take the bait.

[ulysses]

26. *what* money thrown at schools?

Dan Quayle thought education's problems would be better if teachers only cared a little more, too. Wank, wank.

Fuck that.

So obviously poor parents care about their kids and will take the bait.

And that's exactly what it is. Bait.

[jos]

27. He's running a general election strategy

He's running as if he already has the nomination. He wants to make sure he doesn't go left so as to leave him open to attack in the general. But that's crazy because that very strategy leaves him no shot to win the nomination.

He also figures that if he got the nomination, the party's left will have no other place to go. How wrong he is!

[theboss]

28. Bill Bradley did too

Well, he thought we should "experiment with them.

Anthony Williams in DC supports vouchers too. As does the public in DC.

I think vouchers are going to happen eventually so we need to figure out a way to make them fair (so they aren't a subsidy for the rich and religious). I doubt whether Joe has a plan to do this, but I don't think it's an idea we should dismiss out of hand.

[opihimoimoi]

29. Joe is a Pub Mole

period

[poskonig]

30. Lieberman is dissing the voters

who would have sent him to the White House. The Democratic base is a very diverse group, but has three massive chunks -- minorities, working women, and professionals.

Lieberman has already dissed minorities, speaking out against big government, praising free trade, ditching the NAACP to go on O'Reilly, etc.

Lieberman also cannot gain traction among working women with his "traditional values" crapola.

Lastly, he has attacked the "activist elite" (in other words, suburban, professional Democrats -- the Kerry and Dean voters) and acts like he does not support the public interest.

So yeah, though the moderate Lieberman is better than any Republican, he has really run a bad campaign. While Graham spends most of his time attacking Bush instead of other Democrats, he also has the same ideological problems at the national level.

[otohara]

32. I Take His Attacks Personally

Every insult he directs towards Dean/Kucnich is aimed at many a democrats.