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placton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 09:26 AM Original message |
The South: Lost Cause |
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poskonig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 09:29 AM Response to Original message |
1. I see your point. |
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rusk2003 (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 12:26 PM Response to Reply #1 |
105. Southern Democrats |
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FreeperSlayer (666 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 09:29 AM Response to Original message |
2. Joe Lieberman, you are a disgrace. |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 09:29 AM Response to Original message |
3. Don't Blame the Volunteer State |
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placton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 09:35 AM Response to Reply #3 |
9. and under what circumstances |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 09:36 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Again |
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Man_in_the_Moon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 09:46 AM Response to Reply #9 |
17. The same Circumstances |
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SharonAnn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 11:18 AM Response to Reply #9 |
75. Well, we elected a Democratic governor in Tennessee |
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Lurking Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 10:04 AM Response to Reply #3 |
31. Muddle - |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 10:06 AM Response to Reply #31 |
34. TN |
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Man_in_the_Moon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 10:13 AM Response to Reply #34 |
41. To be honest |
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GumboYaYa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 09:30 AM Response to Original message |
4. I could not disagree more. |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 09:33 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Churches |
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placton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 09:34 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. I think we actually agree to some extent |
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GumboYaYa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 09:49 AM Response to Reply #8 |
20. Okay, we do agree. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 09:50 AM Response to Reply #4 |
22. African Americans Represent 14% of The Population |
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GumboYaYa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 10:09 AM Response to Reply #22 |
37. With a thousand more African American voters |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 10:16 AM Response to Reply #37 |
44. I Agree About mobilizing our base but |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 11:45 AM Response to Reply #4 |
88. Incentives? Such as? |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 09:32 AM Response to Original message |
5. I Agree |
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NewYorkerfromMass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 09:48 AM Response to Reply #5 |
19. but we also cannot turn our back |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 09:32 AM Response to Original message |
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placton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 09:38 AM Response to Reply #6 |
11. Florida v Georgia |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 09:40 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. The world is full of racists |
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placton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 09:45 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. My favorite quote about differences in racism |
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zoidberg (508 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 10:05 AM Response to Reply #15 |
32. The one I like the best... |
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alaine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 10:06 AM Response to Reply #15 |
33. Another one I have heard: |
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TNDemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 09:41 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Are you going to write off all the midwest states? |
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northernsoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 09:50 AM Response to Reply #13 |
21. don't write anybody off just yet |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 11:44 AM Response to Reply #13 |
87. In the blue, Minnesota, Iowa, Wisconsin, and Illinois |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 09:46 AM Response to Reply #11 |
16. Bush I Carried FL in 92 |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 09:44 AM Response to Reply #6 |
14. I Have To Laugh |
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placton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 11:12 AM Response to Reply #14 |
73. Yeah, FL is more like a northern state! |
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MattNC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 09:47 AM Response to Reply #6 |
18. ditto n/t |
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NewYorkerfromMass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 09:50 AM Response to Original message |
23. You are right. Gore proved it. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 09:55 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. There Was A Census in 2000 |
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NewYorkerfromMass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 10:13 AM Response to Reply #25 |
40. Add AZ too. |
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Atlant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 10:35 AM Response to Reply #23 |
55. And in 2000, Gore+Green beat Bush in NH. |
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jenk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 10:53 AM Response to Reply #55 |
65. NH is always a little too conservative for comfort, but it will go dem |
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alaine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 09:54 AM Response to Original message |
24. Screw you. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 10:00 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. I'd Like Another Poster To Do The Math |
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alaine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 10:21 AM Response to Reply #27 |
46. It's sad that so many in our party would rather keep |
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Ripley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 10:04 AM Response to Reply #24 |
29. Well said alaine. |
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alaine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 10:13 AM Response to Reply #29 |
42. This is also a slap in the face to unions, who endorse |
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Ripley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 10:42 AM Response to Reply #42 |
60. Also senior citizens. |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 11:46 AM Response to Reply #42 |
89. The DLC reaches out to yuppy southerners, not the poor |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 10:08 AM Response to Reply #24 |
36. Excellent post! |
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alaine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 10:16 AM Response to Reply #36 |
43. Thanks. I would say that this was a problem for Gore. |
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tedoll78 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 09:58 AM Response to Original message |
26. Most of the South? Yes. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 10:07 AM Response to Reply #26 |
35. Wouldn't Be Alot Easier To Choose A Candidate |
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WoodrowFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 10:10 AM Response to Reply #35 |
38. South D |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 10:21 AM Response to Reply #38 |
47. We Forgot Idaho |
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theboss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 10:01 AM Response to Original message |
28. President is not everything |
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carolinayellowdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 10:04 AM Response to Original message |
30. The Emerging Democratic Majority includes parts of the South |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 10:11 AM Response to Reply #30 |
39. Remember The Anti-Busing Hysteria in Boston |
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Mel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 10:19 AM Response to Original message |
45. gee thanks a lot |
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alaine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 10:28 AM Response to Reply #45 |
50. Say hallelujah! |
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Sephirstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 10:22 AM Response to Original message |
48. I'm not so sure... |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 10:30 AM Response to Reply #48 |
52. Wayne LaPierre Has Already |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 11:50 AM Response to Reply #52 |
90. clinton was a last gasp. We have lost alot of dem senators and reps |
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carolinayellowdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 10:26 AM Response to Original message |
49. More African-American elected officials in MS and AL than... |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 11:52 AM Response to Reply #49 |
91. The DLC writes them off, not the liberals |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 10:29 AM Response to Original message |
51. Here's an even better strategy! |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 10:36 AM Response to Reply #51 |
56. lumpenproleterat (LOL) |
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BarbariansAtTheGate (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 10:30 AM Response to Original message |
53. Well that'll drum up support |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
54. I agree. The Dems should try to pick up states elsewhere. |
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carolinayellowdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 10:37 AM Response to Reply #54 |
58. Your avatar is ashamed |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 11:07 AM Response to Reply #58 |
69. You left out the Republican victories |
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carolinayellowdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 11:25 AM Response to Reply #69 |
81. Fallacy of the excluded middle |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 01:06 PM Response to Reply #81 |
118. Articulating issues.. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 10:40 AM Response to Reply #54 |
59. If You Write Off The South , Most of The Midwest, And Border States |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 10:42 AM Response to Reply #59 |
61. You're just caught up in mere "electoral politics." |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 11:14 AM Response to Reply #61 |
74. OK. Answer this. |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 11:22 AM Response to Reply #74 |
77. Well, we could try running on class issues. |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 11:56 AM Response to Reply #77 |
93. The DLC says that is class warfare. Naughty Naughty! |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 12:09 PM Response to Reply #93 |
102. Class warfare = |
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indigo32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 01:46 PM Response to Reply #77 |
123. Absolutely QC |
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shimmergal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 12:02 PM Response to Reply #74 |
98. The three "Ps". |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 11:12 AM Response to Reply #59 |
71. What governing majority do we now have? |
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SharonAnn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 11:23 AM Response to Reply #71 |
79. Campaign on what the Democratic Party stands for! |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 11:55 AM Response to Reply #59 |
92. I don't write off the midwest and the borderstates |
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carolinayellowdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 12:45 PM Response to Reply #92 |
110. More misleading generalizations |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 01:01 PM Response to Reply #110 |
114. More electortal votes are winnable in the North, and West |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 01:19 PM Response to Reply #110 |
120. Now, you're talking sense. |
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DrFunkenstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 10:37 AM Response to Original message |
57. Southerners Believe Strongly in Sacrifice, Honor, and Duty |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 12:09 PM Response to Reply #57 |
101. Then why did they screw over Cleland? |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 10:47 AM Response to Original message |
62. This is such typical DLC bullshit! |
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theHandpuppet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 10:47 AM Response to Original message |
63. A clarification... |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 11:00 AM Response to Reply #63 |
67. Unfortunately, The South Is Where The Population Growth Is |
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MissouriTeacher (476 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 11:12 AM Response to Reply #67 |
72. But isn't... |
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SharonAnn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 11:25 AM Response to Reply #63 |
80. And, it's possible that voting machine fraud had something to do |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
64. Was it time for another one of these threads? |
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Ripley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 10:56 AM Response to Reply #64 |
66. They're not even subtle about it. |
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GOPBasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
68. I mostly agree. |
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Art_from_Ark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 11:36 AM Response to Reply #68 |
84. Unless a Southern governor or Wesley Clark is on the ticket, |
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placton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 11:10 AM Response to Original message |
70. The people who disagree are much like Greens: |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 11:19 AM Response to Reply #70 |
76. Are you going to respond to people's objections? |
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MissouriTeacher (476 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 11:22 AM Response to Reply #76 |
78. Missouri is definitely not a lost cause. |
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placton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 11:26 AM Response to Reply #78 |
82. I included MO in my "Dem" states (n/t) |
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placton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 11:41 AM Response to Reply #76 |
85. My reply (it and 50 cents = cup of coffee): |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 12:01 PM Response to Reply #85 |
96. Golly, I can't imagine how people ever got the impression |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 12:36 PM Response to Reply #85 |
108. I'd like to see the research data |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 12:01 PM Response to Reply #76 |
95. Actually it is the other way around |
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Mel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 12:34 PM Response to Reply #70 |
106. Come on, now we are like Greens |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 12:54 PM Response to Reply #106 |
112. Some prejudices are acceptable in Nice Liberal circles. |
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tpub (508 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
83. oh, OK, so I guess I should stop trying to register people |
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placton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 11:42 AM Response to Reply #83 |
86. Please note: I specifically advised NOT to write off LA! |
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tpub (508 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 11:58 AM Response to Reply #86 |
94. "I'll concede that Louisiana ... may be a possible Dem wins |
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enki23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 12:05 PM Response to Reply #86 |
99. you might want to. it's a shithole. |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 12:06 PM Response to Reply #83 |
100. I think there can be a long term strategy for the South |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 12:18 PM Response to Reply #100 |
103. Very good point. |
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Dob Bole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
97. Every Dem President in the last century carried Southern states |
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jiacinto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 12:18 PM Response to Original message |
104. You need more than the base to win |
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carolinayellowdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 12:37 PM Response to Reply #104 |
109. Left out TN and WV |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 01:03 PM Response to Reply #109 |
116. West Virginia was winnable with more populism not less |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 12:54 PM Response to Reply #104 |
111. I don't have a citation |
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jiacinto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 01:02 PM Response to Reply #111 |
115. You have no guarantee on nonvoters |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 01:05 PM Response to Reply #115 |
117. A certain percentage are, and if the south has more of them |
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jiacinto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 01:20 PM Response to Reply #117 |
121. Then do this |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 01:17 PM Response to Reply #115 |
119. "Taken as a whole, nonvoters appear well represented by those who vote" |
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theHandpuppet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
107. The Insidious Political Clout of the Neo-Confederacy |
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amazona (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
113. don't necessarily agree |
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Nicholas_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 01:46 PM Response to Original message |
122. Not really |
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