Something big coming. Something bad. Very soon.

[Minstrel Boy]

Well, I think so, anyway. Unfortunately.

Why?

Well, first of all, they've told us. This will be remembered, the US government has said, as "the summer of terror."

Former Prime Minister Aznar of Spain, upon visiting Washington recently, told the Spanish media he expected a massive attack in the United States in the first week of June, which would be followed by martial law. Tommy Franks, after all, said Americans would insist upon martial law after the next attack. And Dick Cheney keeps telling us the next attack is not a question of if, but when.

And there are these other indicators that something big and ugly is brewing:

The Federal Reserve anticipates a catastrophe

May 30 analysis:

Let me just say from the outset that the Federal Reserve has confirmed our Stock Market Crash forecast by raising the Money Supply (M-3) by crisis proportions, up another 46.8 billion this past week. What awful calamity do they see? Something is up. This is unprecedented, unheard-of pre-catastrophe M-3 expansion. M-3 is up an amount that we've never seen before without a crisis - $155 billion over the past 4 weeks, a $2.0 trillion annualized pace, a 22.2 percent annualized rate of growth!!! There must be a crisis of historic proportions coming, and the Federal Reserve Bank of the United States is making sure that there is enough liquidity in place to protect our nation's fragile financial system. The amazing thing is, the Fed's actions mean they know what is about to happen. They are aware of a terrible, horrific imminent event. What could it be?

One can draw no other conclusion except that the Fed is acting irresponsibly in its managing the money supply, in fulfilling its duty to "maintain a stable currency." I reject the notion that the Fed is acting irresponsibly. No, something is up, bigger than we have ever seen in the history of the United States. Let me ramble. Perhaps they simply see the ominous technical landscape we have been warning about in recent issues, and are attempting to pull out all the stops to avert the predicted crash. The recent rally in just about everything is similar to 2003's market behavior when the Fed pumped massive amounts of liquidity into the system during the first half of the year. This time seems different. The amount of liquidity is too large. The Fed is deflating the value of the monetary base by a fifth! Why are they willing to do this? Wisdom says something bad is up - big time.
http://www.safehaven.com/article-1597.htm

Unusual activity in the options market

Something else fishy has been happening in the options markets. I follow the Chicago Board of Options Exchange (CBOE) put/call ratio on a daily basis. The put/call is often a contrary indicator.. when everyone buys alot of calls, the market is likely near a top. When everyone loads up on puts, we're probably near a bottom.. BUT NOT ALWAYS.

I've seen something in the CBOE put/call ratio over the past month that I've never seen before in nearly 10 years of following the markets. The put/call ratio has closed at 1.0 or higher on 13 of the past 22 trading days, stretching back to late April. There are two things unusual about this: First of all, I can't recall the put/call ratio closing over 1.0 for more than 3 or 4 days in any 1 month, even after the market reopened after September 11, 2001!! Someone somewhere is buying a HECK of alot of bearish options contracts... and they have been loading up on them for the past month.. What's even MORE remarkable is that market really hasn't rallied much at all. Normally a spike in put buying like that would be indicative of overly bearish sentiment on the part of the PUBLIC.. A rally usually would follow. This time, it doesn't appear to be the PUBLIC loading but instead, someone else... But whom?? And why?
http://urbansurvival.com/week.htm


Unprecedented deployment of fleets and convergence of wargames

Is this to get the chess pieces in place, as happened before 9/11, which saw massive wargames in the Gulf region within range of Afghanistan? Or is it moving assets out of harms way, in anticipation of a calamatous WMD strike upon port cities?

The US:

Navy to Deploy Carrier Groups to Test Rapid Readiness

A major exercise soon to be underway will have a large part of the Navy fleet deploying out of Norfolk.

WAVY News 10 has learned the Navy is sending seven carrier strike groups out to sea.

The exercise is designed to test the Navy's new rapid deployment readiness.

...

While the Navy won't say where the seven carrier groups are going, the carriers not already deployed are expected to be gone for only one to two months.
http://www.wavy.com/Global/story.asp?S=1902088&nav=23iiNU2h

Coronado, Calif. -- The carrier USS John C. Stennis left Naval Air Station North Island Monday just after 8 a.m. on a four-month deployment in the Pacific Ocean.

Thousands of sailors said their goodbyes to family members on the dock at Naval Air Station North Island before the sun came up Monday. The carrier will lead a six-ship strike group on a deployment to the Western Pacific. The other ships are the missile cruiser Lake Champlain, the destroyer Howard, the guided-missile frigate Ford, the fast-attack submarine Salt Lake City and the replenishment ship Rainier. All of the ships are based in San Diego except the Ford and the Ranier, which are ported in Bremerton, Wash.

Although the ships are not scheduled to deploy off of Iraq, Capt. David Buss said the mission is open-ended.

"My crystal ball gets a little fuzzy as I look toward the outer months of the deployment. We're not exactly sure what our tasking will be or where we'll be asked to go," Buss told NBC 7/39. "This is deployment No. 10 for me personally, and the one thing that I've told the crew is the nine I've done before, not a single one has gone the way it was scripted the day we left homeport. Because of that, we're pretty much ready to respond wherever we're needed throughout the world."
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/3339032/detail.html

The UK:

Marines Take off for Naval Exercise with U.S.

Five hundred Royal Marines boarded the helicopter carrier HMS Ocean today to take part in a major joint military exercise with the United States Navy.

A total of 5,900 UK service personnel will be taking part in the operation, which will rehearse the deployment of a medium sized sea-based task force.

...

Twenty Royal Navy ships, led by HMS Invincible, are heading off to take part in the exercise called Rapid Alliance, which is taking place off the eastern seaboard of the United States.

As well as the marines, hundreds of armoured vehicles including Challenger tanks, were today being loaded for the operation which the Royal Navy has codenamed Aurora 04.
http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=2918574

Russia:

Russian military will have big military exercise in summer
Interim Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov informed President Putin about several big military exercises scheduled for the summer of 2004.

According to Sergei Ivanov, Russia has not had military exercises of this kind before. Big number of troops, including paratroopers and marines, will be transported by more than 50 passenger aircrafts from one region to another. Russian military is going to become more mobile.

In August-September Russian military will have exercise in Central Asia - Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan. Russian troops of alert readiness from the military base in Kant, Kyrgyzstan will participate. Paratroopers and special force will be examined for mobility.

"As for the Navy, in August they will go to the Atlantic Ocean and the Mediterranean Sea", said the Interim Defense Minister.
http://english.pravda.ru/main/18/88/351/12834_military.html

China:

Chinese army preparing large-scale military exercises aimed at Taiwan

China is gearing-up for large-scale military wargames aimed at "taking control of the Taiwan Strait", with 18,000 troops and the amphibious landing of a tank brigade.

The exercises were to take place in June and July on Dongshan Island in southeastern Fujian province just 150 nautical miles west of Taiwan's Penghu Island, the New Express Daily said, citing a pro-Beijing Hong Kong newspaper.

...

The 18,000 soldiers will be deployed from the land, navy and air force of the Nanjing Military Region, where some 500 short-range ballistic missiles are pointed at Taiwan.

"Sukoi Su-27 fighter jets will be outfitted with KN59M guided air-to-surface missiles in an effort to maintain control over the Taiwan Strait and ensure that tank brigades can make a landing and engage in warfare," the report said.
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/040601/1/3kqok.html


The return of the "Israeli movers"

Remember the five Israeli movers arrested on September 11, taping themselves, celebrating with the towers burning in the background? They were found to be Israeli military intelligence, and their company a Mossad shell (the owner's name was on a terror watch list, and he fled to Israel two days after the attack). Their mission seems to have been to monitor the mission of the hijack/patsies.

Well, they're baaaack.

Suspicious Men Arrested - May 9

Two Israeli men have been arrested after evading Unicoi County, Tennessee sheriff`s deputies, driving eratically on a two lane highway, and littering. But, there may be more to their apprehension than that. Sheriff Kent Harris says the stories they`ve been telling investigators simply don`t add up.

The two men led authorities on a three-mile high speed chase in a rented moving truck. Lt. Ron Arnold says one of the men had a fake Florida i.d. and passports found didn`t add up. The FBI is now testing a bottle thrown from the truck during the pursuit. Robert White, the community member who found the bottle, says it had a powder and liquid in it. Sheriff Harris says the substance didn`t test for any type of drug, but did for a fuel source.

The driver, 23-year old Samuel Dahan and passenger 19-year old Almaliach Noar claim they were delivering furniture and were headed to Boston, Massachusetts.

Authorities found a couple of "learning to fly" business cards during a search of the moving truck. Both men are being held in seperate cells pending a bond hearing Monday morning. Investigators have determined both men are living in the United States legally.

http://www.wcyb.tv/newsread.asp?newsid=4381

and then...

Suspicious moving van prompt Kings Bay lockdown - May 22

...

Two Israeli men working for a moving-and-storage company attempted to enter the base about 10:30 a.m. Friday to pick up some items in base housing, said base spokesman Ed Buczek.

One of them was unable to provide security personnel with proper credentials, so base personnel and bomb-sniffing dogs inspected the van.

"The military dogs were alerted to a scent in the cab of the truck," Buczek said. "Guards closed access to the base and notified the Georgia Bureau of Investigation, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Naval Criminal Investigative Service."

...

Kings Bay is near Sea Island, which will host the G-8 Summit next month.

http://www.accessnorthga.com/news/ap_newfullstory.asp?ID=38654

Something is coming. I don't know what it is. But I think it will soon be here.

[slinkerwink]

1. now that's just pure paranoia

[The empressof all]

2. I don't know

I had the strangest feeling of deja vu when I was sitting on the can this morning that something was coming.

[Minstrel Boy]

3. Yup, it's just like Paranoid Larry says:

"If you mention things that most folks would rather avoid /
They'll call you paranoid!" :evilgrin:

[keithyboy]

57. Just because you 'think' something is going to happen doesn't mean it wont

I agree with you and all the reason you cited.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

86. Taken individually, yes. But taken as a group, a pattern is emerging...

...one that I personally don't like very much.

Remember the put options that were ordered just before 911?

<http://www.hereinreality.com/insidertrading.html>

<http://www.americanfreepress.net/051302/Revealing_9-11_Stock_Trades_Co/revealing_9-11_stock_trades_co.html>

<http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/10-17-01/discussion.cgi.90.html>

[rhino47]

4. I agree I think something is coming too.

Thank you for the post.I am in awe at your research and links.
:kick:
Sincerely
Lindy

[Nlighten1]

5. Actually, I am more frightened about what the DON'T tell us...

The talk is meant to frighten us. I don't think they can afford another terrorist attack on America.

[Malva Zebrina]

6. and if something bad happens, is Kerry going to rescue us?

LOL

He will , most likely, agree with Martial law should Bush decide to invoke that and there is NO DOUBT in my mind
Bush and his minions, who he will deny he knows at all, will do ANYTHING to maintain power to make more money with wars for his business buddies. It will be Kerry's demise should that happen. We will be effectively garroted.

Hope not--just indulging in "what ifs"

[Warren DeMontague]

7. That's Funny...

I thought the past three years have already been something very big and very bad.

[smirkymonkey]

44. LOL!

Welcome to DU, Impeach. Great graphic! :hi:

[Speck Tater]

8. Hmmm.

URBAN SURVIVAL.COM

Executive Summary:

A supposed intercept of a U.S. military SSB radio transmission on 26 January of this year referred to a mysterious "countdown" to an unnamed event which (by the countdown) will occur around June 19 or 20 of this year. In the past few weeks, however, naval units worldwide have been putting to sea in unusual numbers, sufficient to cause us to revisit the original message to assess movements and adopt a watch mode going forward into the June 19-20 date area.

Details:

I was not planning on doing a special weekend report but four things happened that prompt me to share some speculation with you. The four items?

Historical: I happened to think about the piece on "Snowball Net" which, if you might recall, was a supposed intercepted radio communication between U.S. military units that I posted on this site in March. Click here for the original link and scroll down to "For the Truly Paranoid..." http://www.urbansurvival.com/nl03262004.htm Here's what it said:

"Want to be paranoid about something akin to Planet X showing up before November? Here's a snip which I received by email yesterday - a bit aged, but interesting nevertheless:

A member of our ham radio club intercepted this transmission and shared it with a few of us. He made a digital recording of it. The transmissions took place on 1-26-04 staring at 0:5:00 UTC. The frequency was 11.176 mhz, USB.

The conversation is between SNOWBALL NET and another station. We assume SNOWBALL is the network operator.

Here is a transcript:

SNOWBALL NET: Snowball Net comms check. All stations, clock sync, (pause) impact at minus 146 days, 5 hours UTC. Standby for ACC link (could have been ACD).

Burst of digital data¦

Burrow: SNOWBALL This is BURROW (could be Burro as in donkey). You are not secure¦repeat not secure¦go green¦go green¦

Bursts of white noise follow for approximately 3 minutes.

Copies of this have been posted on several ham boards and have been sent to Popular Communications Magazine.

more at http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.net/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=3626

[shanti]

14. i STILL think that there's something

to the furious pace of cheney's bunker building. they were (are they finished?) working day and night on it, despite protestations about the noise from their neighbors.

didn't *ush say that (to paraphrase) he's not worried about history, CAUSE WE'LL ALL BE DEAD?

[Minstrel Boy]

18. There's a lot of stuff floating around out there on the fringe about

calamatous asteroid impacts anticipated mid-June, but right now I'm ascribing those stories to disinformation and distraction from the fear machine. We'll know soon enough.

[maggrwaggr]

23. will duct tape save me this time?

just wondering

[Karenina]

32. ONLY if you have

plastic sheeting to go with! :-)

[FighttheFuture]

67. Yeah... tape your head to your ass and kiss it goodbye!!

[maggrwaggr]

73. hey man.

that's pretty funny!

[SammyWinstonJack]

81. Thanks

Just when I was getting all depressed and stuff, you made me laugh! Welcome to Du :hi:

[Valerie5555]

75. Only if you taped * to a picnic chair and threw coleslaw at him,

Agents Mike and Tom, if you are reading this I was only kidding, besides I only want the Shubbery's butt impeached.

[Andy_Stephenson]

106. And this happens at 2:40 am in Seattle

http://www.kirotv.com/weirdheadlines/3376872/detail.html

[Minstrel Boy]

83. After reading about the Washington State impact last night -

(http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1710843 - and observing something of a spike in reports of meteorites, I'm revisiting the natural disaster scenario.

If you're familiar with the supposed "snowball" intercept, then you've probably heard of last month's "Aussie Bloke," who claimed to be an astronomer with knowledge that the Earth was about to enter a dust cloud, which would bring an increasing number of small impacts, cause the skies to darken around June 8, and a few days later, see three doomsday asteroid impacts.

So, I hope it's only a man-made disaster!

[FlemingsGhost]

9. To find peace, one must stop living in fear

Give your mind a rest. It's working overtime creating illusions of your "worse nightmare."

[Minstrel Boy]

34. I'm not suggesting you live in fear.

I'm suggesting you pay attention to the dark actors playing games.

[shanti]

10. and coming from the astrological side of things

this month is supposed to be very bad too....

[yardwork]

11. Since everything the Chimp administration says is a lie,

I conclude that nothing really big is coming, but they want us to believe that something big is coming.

The problem is that they are also incompetent, so it is probable that something big is coming that they genuinely don't know anything about.

The big disaster has already occurred and continues to unfold, sort of like a Big Bang in slow motion. The impact has been felt so far mostly by people in other countries, but it's probably heading our way.

Did Americans really think that we could invade another country, torture their citizenry, and remain comfortably unaffected?

[SammyWinstonJack]

82. Apparently some in this Country do believe JUST that.

"Did Americans really think that we could invade another country, torture their citizenry, and remain comfortably unaffected?"

[MisterP]

12. and of course, once San Fran or whatever goes up in smoke,

they'll drop the "Bush keeps us safe from terra'" meme like a hot potato and glom onto the "don't let the terrists affect the election, unless it affects you towards Bush."

[GregW]

13. I agree 100%

It all has to do with the Kung Pao chicken I had for lunch. Decided it didn't 'look' hot enough so I added extra chilli paste.

I can feel the aftermath building in my belly now.

It's big.

It's bad.

and it will be very, very soon.

[KittyWampus]

16. You've Made My Favorite Post O'The Day!

:D

[StayOutTheBushes]

15. Ever heard the term 'loopy logic'?

[TheWatcher]

20. Care to explain what you mean by that?

Or do you just grace us with pointless one-liners with no content or contribution to add?

[Jose Diablo]

17. Interesting information on the M-3 money supply.

This would seem to indicate it is anticipated a need for large amounts of cash. Now why would the monetary system need such a large amount of cash?

A disruption in the clearing system for checks, maybe? A run on banks? People stashing cash in the mattress? Stockpiling food?

Have you checked the price of basic food lately?

I think your right minstrel boy. Those in the know, know something is gonna happen. And soon.

Me thinks Jellybean is going to re-stock the pantry tomorrow.

[CitizenRob]

28. Why restock?

Why restock your pantry? The US is a giant place. Any attack in one city is hardly going to lead to distribution interuptions in other cities. Let's say SF is attacked, sure you might not be able to get some specific asian food item that comes through the port of San Francisco, but it's going to stop corn, or rice, or soy from the midwest...

[Jose Diablo]

36. How long do you think those fully stocked stores

will stay fully stocked, if the food distribution channels are disrupted. The first thing people do in an emergency is go to the store to buy food.

My son works in a food distribution warehouse for a large food chain. The place is really huge. I mean huge. He tells me they turn over all goods in about 2 weeks. Thus with normal buying patterns all the food in this warehouse is exchanged every 2 weeks. How long would it take to empty the warehouse with abnormal buying patterns and no deliveries from the wholesalers? Three days?

We live in a very complex world highly inter-dependent on communications, transportation, money flow to name just a few. Any disruption of any of the dependencies can cause the whole thing to collapse. Think of it as a complex animal thats dependent on a heart, brain, liver, guts, kidneys, etc. Any organ that stops will stop the whole organism. This is the nature of complex organisms. Our society is a complex organism.

Re-stocking the pantry would be an insurance policy from a general disruption of the food distribution we all depend on to live. Of course, a long term disruption would be the end of us all, but keeping a stock supply of say 3 months of essentials, like Hostess Twinkies, wouldn't be a bad idea.

[CitizenRob]

39. You say...

We live in a very complex world highly inter-dependent on communications, transportation, money flow to name just a few. Any disruption of any of the dependencies can cause the whole thing to collapse. Think of it as a complex animal thats dependent on a heart, brain, liver, guts, kidneys, etc. Any organ that stops will stop the whole organism. This is the nature of complex organisms. Our society is a complex organism.

Let's pull the pieces out one by one... We live in a complex world, true. How really inter-dependent are each of those things though? Probably less than you think.

Thinking of it as a complex animal is giving it more credit than it really deserves. If any of the systems fail, that doesn't mean the rest will fail. The distribution of food could only really come to a halt if the transportation system used to distribute it were interupted. With thousands of highways, and hundreds of rail lines, food distribution for any given region is probably pretty close to impossible to completely break.

Our society really is not a complex organism when you look at the basic elements that are needed to survive. Sure we've got a lot of nice little things on top that make life what it is today, but should some sort of attack take out the powergrid, we'd still be able to transport goods the less than 100 miles they'd need to for most major cities. Sure some farmers that are truelly in the middle of nowhere may not be able to distribute their goods, but don't forget, here in America we have a HUGE overabundance of food.

I just think the "chicken-little" approach to the Ashcroftian designed "terrorist threat" from last week is playing pricesely into the hands of the Bush administration. They scare, we fright.

[Jose Diablo]

46. Well some would disagree

For example, would you go to work if you didn't get paid? As for transportation, if the money system collapsed, would you be willing to drive a rig to deliver goods without being paid. Then would fuel stations refuel your rig if you were short of cash and the plastic didn't work? Oh, I get it, the military would do this for us.

If you were a warehouse operator dependent on receiving written commands from your computer screen telling you what to load on what truck, would you just load up trucks with what was available without something to tell you what is needed where. I doubt it.

Lets take it one step at a time. This country is far beyond a simple one store town with messenger boys delivering messages and a store keeper with a journal to write down what is owed them if a neighbor needed something, but was a little short of cash. How understanding are these 'owners' today. Heck, there aren't any neighborhood stores anymore. Try going to a grocery chain store and asking if you can shop, but pay them at the end of the month or maybe when your boat comes in. The 'owners' of the store are not even there. Everybody working in the store is just an employee, they are not empowered to extend credit. What is in the store is not theirs to give away.

You ever wonder why we had large complexes of factories grouped together in one location in the past? Yet now we don't? It is because at one time in the far past, factories needed to be close together because communication was not as developed as today.

The same with transportation. The reason we had large industrial complexes was because it was hard to ship goods. Thus one factory fed another right up the production chain. Generally these complexes were close, transportation wise to raw material needed to produce whatever was produced. Now of course, because of efficient communication and transportation the complexes are dispersed.

Just look at Gary, Indiana, Cleveland, Detroit, Pittsburg. You can still see some of the old empty shells of the industrial complexes rusting away.

My statement stands. This society is a complex organism highly dependent on its various interrelated systems to maintain its functioning. Or to put it simply, to live.

[charlie]

31. Maybe the deficit

Dubya's incurred is becoming untenable, so they're goosing inflation to cheapen the debt?

[seemslikeadream]

19. Minstrel Boy I wanted to add a thought

U.S. to pull all 1,900 troops from Haiti in June

26 May 2004 21:25:13 GMT

By Will Dunham

WASHINGTON, May 26 (Reuters) - The United States plans to remove all of its 1,900 troops in Haiti by the end of June as U.N. peacekeepers assume their duties in the Caribbean nation, the Pentagon said on Wednesday.

The U.S. troops, nearly all Marines, head a 3,600-strong "interim" international force that entered Haiti starting Feb. 29 after President Jean-Bertrand Aristide resigned and left the impoverished country amid an armed revolt.

The force, which also includes 900 French, 500 Canadians and 300 Chileans, has accomplished its mission of restoring stability and security, a U.S. military spokesman said.

The Pentagon last week announced it was shifting 3,600 U.S. Army soldiers from South Korea to Iraq this summer. The Army said on Tuesday it was considering sending units generally used only in training exercises in the United States playing the role of "enemy forces."

more
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N26731381.htm

bush has the replacements on the way from Chile, Brazil and Columbia

[Kazak]

21. Eek! Let me off!!!

:scared:

[maggrwaggr]

22. could it possibly be this?

Possibly a major disruption in oil supplies?



http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1538&e=8&u=/afp/britain_saudi_attack

Terrorists plan "spectacular attack" in Saudi Arabia: report



LONDON (AFP) - Intelligence agencies fear that the Islamic terrorists behind the deadly kidnappings in Saudi Arabia over the weekend are planning a "spectacular attack" in the country, The Times of London reported.

[charlie]

29. That's whats weird

If Islamist exremists were really interested in igniting the all-out mother of all confrontations between the west and the Arab world (with the possible overthrow of the House of Saud as a bonus), they could've done it long ago by attacking Saudi Arabia's oil infrastructure. Their most recent attack was on people, which serves to inflame, but not provoke a dire crisis. SA is a huge country, its oil pumps and pipelines cannot be successfully defended against all incursions with intent to destroy. They're pumping at about 90% capacity right now, the disruption of any pipes or shipping would send the price of oil over the moon.

That it hasn't happened already seems to me a pretty good indication that the Sauds are still paying protection racket money to hardline Wahabbists, or in the case of Prince Abdullah, actively supporting them.

[fedsron2us]

41. Overthrowing the House of Saud is not a bonus

for many radical Muslims. It is their primary aim. They want to seize the Holy Sites of Islam and restore the Caliphate. Screwing the decadent infidels of the West by cutting off their beloved oil will just be a welcome by product of the process. Of course, it is possible that these Islamic militants are being manipulated by others who have rather less spiritual reasons for wanting to destabilize Saudi Arabia. High oil prices are generally viewed as being bad for the USA. However, they represent an even more serious threat to Europe and to the rising economies of Asia. I think the global power game is about to move to a new and even more deadly level.

[maggrwaggr]

74. maybe the terrorists drive big SUV's too

and don't want their gas price to go up too much

[Alerter_]

30. That's what I think - WSJ had an article about this today

The did a sort of review of the Saudi oil production facitilities and how they have been or could be disabled. They said a serious attack could shut them down for 2 years - which would destroy the world economy.

[quinnox]

24. Oh scary!

I'm quivering.

[sendero]

25. I can believe another attack ...

... is being planned. But you lose me with the martial law stuff. I just don't think joe sixpack is gonna stand for that crap.

[maveric]

38. Joe Sixpack is deluded. He watches Fox News and listens to Rush.

I believe that there will be little resistance to martial law. People will do what they are told as long as they have their creature comforts. Plus the religous right will have an impact telling them that this is God's calling and bu$h is his messenger.

[CitizenRob]

43. So...

Martial law is comfortable? Oh, I'm okay with that then. If we get to keep our creature comforts, and not report to work, I'm cool with that.

[libhill]

52. But he will -

as long as they don`t try to take his precious guns.

[drumwolf]

94. wrong. joe six-pack would be just fine with martial law or a police state

I've read plenty of LTTE in the paper that have shown that. They think that THEY won't be targeted in a police state, and "if it will keep me safe it'll be fine with me. Those who have done no wrong have nothing to hide."

[Deja Q]

26. Everything FEELS wrong. Besides:

* has made his intentions clear for 2005, if he's elected: More big tax cuts, more wars. This means a deficit in the TRILLIONS, when you consider the War on Bush's Petty Vengeance (Iraq) combined with the so-called "War on terror" that's only been a war against our freedoms has cost half a tril already.

* Terrorists need not attack America when our soldiers make ideal targets, not to mention oil wells.

* Interest rates rising will lead to the collapse of the housing bubble. A bubble barely hanging on since house prices had skyrocketed.

* While houses prices go up and more land is built for housing, don't forget all the farmers selling off their dairy cows and land because it'll make them more money. This means less milk and less land for food. And once the topsoil is decimated, it's awfully difficult to replenish. Our greed and housing needs is starving us. Literally. (or will be if the trend continues, so I hope it doesn't...)

So many things, these are but three. :scared:

[CitizenRob]

27. Paranoia...

I tend to think you're a little crazy when you talk about Israeli intelligence officers dancing on the roofs while the WTC is on fire. I doubt any Israeli was happy that their strongest allie had just been hit hard.

[Minstrel Boy]

33. If that's what you think,

then I tend to think you're a little uninformed.

It's not crazy, and not an urban myth. Here's ABC News:

The men were taking video or photos of themselves with the World Trade Center burning in the background, she said. What struck Maria were the expressions on the men's faces. "They were like happy, you know … They didn't look shocked to me. I thought it was very strange," she said.

Since their arrest, plenty of speculation has swirled about the case, and what the five men were doing that morning. Eventually, The Forward, a respected Jewish newspaper in New York, reported the FBI concluded that two of the men were Israeli intelligence operatives.

Vince Cannistraro, a former chief of operations for counterterrorism with the CIA who is now a consultant for ABCNEWS, said federal authorities' interest in the case was heightened when some of the men's names were found in a search of a national intelligence database.

...

For the FBI, deciphering the truth from the five Israelis proved to be difficult. One of them, Paul Kurzberg, refused to take a lie-detector test for 10 weeks — then failed it, according to his lawyer. Another of his lawyers told us Kurzberg had been reluctant to take the test because he had once worked for Israeli intelligence in another country.

http://more.abcnews.go.com/sections/2020/dailynews/2020_whitevan_020621.html

[Judi Lynn]

84. Thanks for bringing that link to bear.

I really thought almost everyone was familiar with it. As for reasons they'd "rejoice," people would speculate they were looking down the road, recognizing there would be large-scale retaliation, looking at things from an "overview."

[Taylor Mason Powell]

35. Not crazy at all, unfortunately.

It's been well documented, although the particulars remain somewhat mysterious. I'm sure someone will show up shortly with a link... I can't really hunt around for it right now myself.

I have to take issue with your second sentence as well. I personally find it very easy to imagine any number of Israelis being quite happy that the world's largest superpower was now going to go after Israel's enemies in a big way.

ON EDIT: I see someone just showed up with a link. Gotta love DU!

[Eloriel]

48. In a big way, and in exactly the way they'd have liked if they had

been directing our efforts. They're pushing for Syria and Iran to be next.

[Taylor Mason Powell]

54. Well, they have the right...

to "push" for whatever they like. I'm sure other countries are pushing for their agenda as well. But unfortunately for them, it seems we have neither the troops nor the money nor the political support to go after Syria or Iran, even if we wanted to.

BTW, I am not a believer in the whole 9/11-as-Mossad-operation thing, although I am openminded enough to consider the possibility.

And you know, I'm not so sure the Bush administration handled this "in exactly the way (Israel would) have liked," as you claim. I would imagine the Israelis would have wanted a bit more, oh, I don't know, competence. Think about it - both Afghanistan and Iraq are unstable, turning into hotbeds of Islamic radicalism, and verging on failed-state status. Also, Iraq wasn't much of a threat to Israel or anyone else, as it turns out, and Israel's intelligence appratus knew that as surely as did our own.

[KoKo]

63. Yes...the Mossad would have handled the "aftermath" much better. They

are "masters of disinformation." I don't mind them protecting Israel, but when and if they involve themselves with the BFEE then I think we have to consider them as much an enemy as Bush.

I think the most courageous reports I've heard are of the Israeli pilots who left the Military rather than fire on any more Palestinians.

Maybe the Israeli Left is as "disenfranchised there as we here on the Left are in America."

[Taylor Mason Powell]

72. I think that's true.

From what I've read, there's a sizable left in Israel. And vigorous debate in the Israeli press over the Palestinian issue. I wish people here were as reluctant to attribute a uniform view to Israelis as they are to Americans. (But then, I probably shouldn't talk - I never visit the I/P threads. Too contentious...)

[Alerter_]

65. the Zionist Jewish/Christian alliance is already fraying

Who's going to get blamed for the torture?

[Sterling]

37. It seems to have worked in their favor however.

It is nice to have a big friend like the US to invade your enemies for you. It seems pretty simple to me.

[Taylor Mason Powell]

58. Except when that "big friend"

is totally incompetent. That's what the Israelis didn't count on. The sheer and overwhelming stupidity and recklessness of the Bush* "administration."

Ultimately, I don't think Bush*'s wars are about Israel at all. Does Bush* or Cheney really give a rat's ass about Israel? I don't think so. No, I think it's mostly about the oil. Israel was an added justification that they were able to use to bring others "on board." And in retrospect I don't think the war has actually made Israel any safer. It certainly hasn't made US any safer, that's for damn sure.

[Alerter_]

47. well, those are the facts - so you are either ignorant of the facts

or repeating a lie. Which is it? The fact that Israelis with intelligence connections were filming and cheering the WTC attacks is not in doubt.

[AntiCoup2K4]

50. You think Mossad gives a fuck about people dying?

Here's a clue... You really think all those Palestinians blow themselves up out of their own free will? Ever heard of MK-Ultra?? That's a little brainwashing trick they borrowed from Poppy's CIA.

Conventional wisdom would suggest Israel would have nothing to gain from attacking the US, particularly the city with the largest Jewish population. But conventional wisdom assumes most people have a conscience and some form of ethics. Mossad and PNAC have neither. Not even Sharon, as vile as an excuse for a human being as he is, has a clue what these sick fucks are up to half the time.

[KoKo]

40. It's too "Quiet." After all the Abu Graib stuff and Memorial Day

Festivities..there's a lull. Chimp does his "Rose Garden" Press Conference where he basically lies to Press and Public...and still there's "quiet."

Hush...Hush...what's the next scandal brewing?

Many in the Press and elsewhere take "Memorial Day" off as a "family vacation." Maybe the "quiet" is due to them....or something more sinister. :shrug:

But, yeah. I have a "gut feeling" something's up. :-(

[Lorien]

45. I've had that "gut feeling" too

it gets stronger every day. An apolitical friend of mine recently said "I feel that some very dark days are ahead of us this summer. I can just feel it coming". Other friends have talked about sense that they need to "flee"; just get away, to another country, perhaps. I heard this from A LOT of people recently; it's not coming from just a few paranoid DUers!

[KoKo]

60. Thanks Jen...some of that too, in what I'm picking up..... n/t

[libhill]

42. Yepper

the Repukes and Bushies are determined to stay in power, regardless of how many murders they have to commit. I knew the bastards would never let the election take place. Wonder who the scapegoats will be this time?

[kymar57]

109. Wonder who the scapegoats will be this time?

You and me?

[neebob]

49. Show me where Aznar said he expected a massive attack

in the first week of June, followed by martial law. I have such a hard time believing that, and I'm not finding it. What politician in his right mind would say something like that? Even George W. Bush is not stupid enough to go to another country and then come home and spout off like some tabloid psychic.

Also, it was a former FBI agent and not the government who said it would be the summer of terror - on Fox News, no less.

The rest is just putting a bunch of independent observations together in a way that implies a large portion of the government has foreknowledge of some massive catastrophe. I don't doubt the gray men are at play in the financial markets and means something, but military exercises are pretty normal.

Israeli moving men? Gee, young immigrant men never have to take menial jobs, and they never hang around together, and they never have to worry about getting arrested for having a certain ethnicity and hanging around together and driving vans and stuff. Now if they've been trying to take flying lessons and have bogus documents, that's something. Who thinks they rounded up all the visiting terrorists after 9/11?

[Minstrel Boy]

56. Aznar

reportedly said this in an interview with a Madrid daily, I forget which. The interview was not picked up and translated by the US media. Webster Tarpley reported this Friday night in Toronto at the 911 Citizens Inquiry.

[malachibk]

51. I live in NYC and I HATE posts like this

There's nothing we can do. I have to take the fucking subway every day. I know about the movers and the Federal Reserve and Asscroft's warnings and Al Queda tapes and all that.

I don't need to see all the info compiled. There's nothing we can do -- so let's all try to throw it out to the universe and hope that we'll (I'll) be OK.

Really. Now that post about the prevalence of Mental Illness in the US makes sense. I've oficially increased the numerator by one.

[FizzFuzz]

53. OK, so WHAT SHOULD WE DO?

I mean to protect ourselves?
I'd love to get out of the country but thats not possible. So what would be the next most wise thing to do?

Take our money out of banks and buy gold?
Stock up on canned goods and water?

I'm serious here

[Speck Tater]

55. Canned food, dry rice and beans, water...

Just off the top of my head. If it's something that disrupts supplies for more than a few months, good luck!

[MissB]

61. Plus comfort food

Standard emergency box fare. The canned stuff, plus the stuff that makes you/your family feel good. Candy bars, crap like that.

[Lorien]

62. Personal records, pet records and carriers, prescriptions

emergency numbers, containers for water, full tank of gas, a suitcase, passport, etc.-most of the same stuff you should have ready during storm season (now) anyway.

[Valerie5555]

70. How about "comfort books" to look at or read to pass the tiime or any

books that reminded you of when your life was simpler, though they may only be a painful or :hurts: reminder of how complicated Bush or * had made life for us all now. :argh: :grr: :mad:

[John_H]

59. i reccomend Xanax. It's going to be a pretend thwarting of a

pretend terra attack to try to save their pretend presidency.

[happynewyear]

64. now that I do have

in fact with another 90 1 mg. tablets on the refill ...

I can do that .... *yikes!*

:dem: :kick:

[SayitAintSo]

66. Yeah ... the only down side of *'s poll numbers dropping...

There has to be another TERRA attack to boost his ratings - or worse invoke martial law so they don't matter ....

[Valerie5555]

68. Wonder if you're now starting to relate to the helplessness of the

passengers on the highjacked Sept 11 airliners when they were discovering they were about to hit the World Trade Towers and were unable to do very much about it.

[meisje]

69. Here come the doomsayers

I've been wondering where you've been hiding.
The economy is going to crash!
Exchange your dollars for gold!
Martial Law is coming!
World is going to end!
My god man the Chemtrails, they've combined with the Microwave towers and they're controlling my brain!!!

[FDRrocks]

71. They've hyped terror every summer....

I'm skeptical about ANY government 'intelligence reports' after the whole Iraq deal.

They are just increasing the fear that is bound to fuel the anti-islamic rampage tearing through our country. The only thing that makes this year notable is that Bush might get his pussy ass thrown out of office.

I doubt we'll be attacked.

[Minstrel Boy]

76. More analysis of the Fed's infusion of liquidity:

Normally my take on rising M-3 is that it means most markets, especially equities, will rise (see issues nos. 50 and 52 in the archives at www.technicalindicatorindex.com). However, the unprecedented pre-crisis liquidity infusions we are seeing this past month are saying something else. The amount of growth is too much, too soon, indicative of an unseen (to all but the master planners) imbalance about to blow. The Fed knows something, and their massive infusion of liquidity is a signal that a crash event is not only imminent, but likely unavoidable. The extraordinary M-3 growth we are seeing is the level of liquidity infused to halt crashes, and to fuel post-crash recoveries. Given that M-3 increases take 1 to 6 months to affect markets, that means what has just been injected into the economy should be kicking in around mid to late summer, just about when the 2002/2004 analog suggests the coming crash should end.

There has never been a six-week infusion of M-3 of this size preemptively (before a crash has occurred) in the history of the United States.

There was only one other time we saw this level of M-3 growth over a six week period in the history of the United States, and that was AFTER 9/11/01. The Fed rightfully pumped $170 billion into the system the week of 9/17/01. They did a good job doing so. After the stock market crash of 1987, the Fed increased M-3 a mere 0.08 billion, or at the time 2.2 percent, from 3.61 to 3.69 trillion.

...

The Federal Reserve, contrary to our oftentimes cynical commentary, is not going to inflate the Money Supply 22 percent simply to get Dubya reelected. That sort of M-3 rise creates substantial financial risks that don't justify its necessity. No, something horrific is on the horizon - and soon. Perhaps the Open Market Committee was treated to a preview of The Day After Tomorrow - and they believed it! I don't want to be an alarmist, but I am reporting what I see. Like in the movie, it may be time for prayer. The Master Planners' prayer is that all markets float higher on the rising tide of swelling money and that the coming catastrophe be mitigated or delayed. Should they be successful in extending the Bubbles, greater imbalances emerge and the ultimate market event will be worse than if now. Defensive strategies are warranted.
http://www.fxstreet.com/nou/content/106920/content.asp?menu=forecasts&dia=262004

[mmonk]

77. I put in a "put'

a little over a month ago. I figure it's an insurance policy. The market fundamentals aren't to my liking plus the threat of terrorism is out there. I want to leave as much to my children as possible.

[JM]

78. You are almost correct. Here is what I do know...

1) The recent terror alert concerning the 7 or so terrorists we already knew about was issued because we lost them. They were under surveillance and have disappeared.

2) All indications point to something with G8, DNC or RNC. This is big enough in a major city to cause a panic. This answers the money supply issue.

As for the M3 money supply, I don't think the Fed can control anything directly except M1. I could be very wrong on this though.

3) In addition, if the G8 is hit, you know damn well multiple countries are going to go nuts. It sounds to me like the exercises are a prep for a NATO response under whatever article it was that called for mutual support. If one member of NATO is hit, it is treated as if all were.

4) Since the DNC, RNC and G8 are all being held between June and September in East Coast locations, I would imagine the Navy would set up surveillance and possible blockade based on intel.

5) The Israeli Movers issue is for real. I got a "no comment" from a friend of mine with clearance who I trust implicitly. I have no idea where it ties in, but it is apparently for real.

My source on this stuff is a close friend who sees the threat intel, meets with DHS on a regular basis, and has done so with increasing frequency over the past few weeks. He is very careful with what he says. He will freely tell me if I am on the tin-foil hat path, but if I am on the right track, I always get a "no comment". I have gotten a ton of "no comment" lately. He will be working security at both the DNC and RNC and is very nervous. When he gets nervous, I get nervous. When he stops flying and starts driving to his meetings in DC, it is time to duck and cover...

JM

[Minstrel Boy]

79. Thanks a lot for that.

Your friend's affirming "no comment" re the Israeli movers reminds me of Salon's article debunking the debunkers of the art student spy ring story:

The extreme sensitivity of the Israeli art student story in government circles was made clear to this reporter when, in the midst of my inquiries at DEA and elsewhere, I was told by a source that some unknown party had checked my records and background. He proved it by mentioning a job I had briefly held many years ago that virtually no one outside my family knew about. Shortly after this, I received a call from an individual who identified himself only by the code name Stability. Stability said he was referred to me from "someone in Washington." That someone turned out to be a veteran D.C. correspondent who has close sources in the CIA and the FBI and who verified that Stability was a high-level intelligence agent who had been following the art student matter from the inside.

Stability was guarded in his initial conversation with me. He said that people in the intelligence committee were suspicious about my bona fides and raised the possibility that someone was "using" me. "Your name is known and has been known for quite a while," Stability said. "The problem is that you're going into a hornet's nest with this. It's a very difficult time in this particular area. This is a scenario where a lot of people are living a bunker mentality." He added, "There are a lot of people under a lot of pressure right now because there's a great effort to discredit the story, discredit the connections, prevent people from going any further . There are some very, very smart people who have taken a lot of heat on this -- have gone to what I would consider extraordinary risks to reach out. Quite frankly, there are a lot of patriots out there who'd like to remain alive. Typically, patriots are dead."

...

"It wasn't until the end of 2000 and the beginning of 2001 that field agents ran across a series of visits that occurred within a very close period of time," Stability said. Agents from across the country began talking to each other, comparing notes. "There was an embryonic understanding that there was something here, something was happening. People kept running across it. And agents being who they are, gut feelings being what they are, they would catch a thread. They'd start to pull a thread, and next thing, they'd end up with the arm of the jacket and the back was coming off, and then you'd end up with reports like you saw. The information, in its scattered form, is one thing. The information compiled, documented, timelined, indexed, is a horrific event for some of these people. Because it is indisputable."

...

But to what end? What was the value? What was to be gained? "Unknown, unknown," Stability said. "You could be anywhere from D.C. to daylight on that one. Even on our side, you have to take all the stuff and draw it all out and clean out all the chaff. I will tell you that from those who are working ground zero , it is a difficult puzzle to put together, and it is not complete by any means." Even the spooks are baffled; they have no answers.

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2002/05/07/students/

[LiberalHawg]

80. >>>

I have to think if anything does happen its going to be a blue city or state that gets it. All things equal though its just paranoia they are trying to feed.

[LeftHander]

85. Bush is falling....that is what is happening...

The leadership of America is crumbling and they are dispicable bunch that still has some support in the dark undebelly of intelligence.

With the most powerful nation on earth in political turmoil anything could happen. FOlks are just taking prudent percautions.

Sure Bush's (HW) created the terorists and Jr. could possibly use them again in a feeble last ditch effort. I don't think they have the power anymore. However, regardless of what happens, if anything, Bush is done. The CIA nolonger sees him and the Neocons as being good for the CIA and it's operations.

Watch June unfold. In three weeks BUsh will be roasting on coals in the Press and COngress...

[starroute]

96. If Bush is going down, could that explain the Federal Reserve?

Are they figuring that when the administration implodes, it will cause a massive loss of confidence, both here and abroad, that could crash the economy?

Have powerful figures in the government decided that Bush is definitely going down, and are they working overtime to try to insure a soft landing?

I don't deny that there seem to be renewed fears of a terrorist attack. But the biggest threat of all to US stability may be something that's staring us right in the face but which we can't recognize for the danger it is.

We've tended to assume that things will continue on a drip-drip-drip basis, with Bush losing a couple of percentage points at a time and finally being kicked out of office and crawling back to Crawford. But what if the Plame affair (or worse things that we still barely know of) reveals the whole bunch of them to be outright traitors? How well will the US weather that?

Why did Tenet resign?

[DavidFL]

110. I've been getting the same feeling in the past week

The leaks about Bush's and the neocons' misdeeds coming out left and right over the past couple months from factions within the CIA, and from the uniforms in the Pentagon, are backing the rats into a corner. I'm beginning to think this is what Josh Marshall meant a couple weeks ago when he was discussing the outing of Chalabi and said it was important, but the context of that story within the larger picture is more important in that what we're witnessing a "tectonic" shift in the power structures within Washington. I'm thinking Mike Ruppert was right, in a general sense, in his "Beyond Bush" articles because it's clear that Bush and the neocons have worn out their welcome and will not survive this.

But, as these particular rats are rabid, I put nothing past them in terms of any last ditch efforts to save their collective behinds, consolidate whatever power they still have and to retain it.

[spinbaby]

87. Keep an ear on talk radio

Whatever happens, the wackos will have been "prepped" by talk radio and told what to think. Lately I've been hearing, "Terrorists want to influence our election."

[grasswire]

88. a cab driver...

...told me yesterday that during the height of Watergate many Americans thought that Richard Nixon would allow a nuclear explosion to save himself. It didn't happen, of course. Clear-thinking Republicans forced him out. That's what must happen now. Clear-thinking Republicans must force the Bushies to stand down and step aside.

[nomatrix]

108. Kissinger saved Nixon from himself on that incident

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2002/02/28/nixon-tapes.htm

Name one clear thinking republican with power other than McCain?

For all those who always "challenge" those who posted links like those found on this thread.....Read this article.

Really I dare you.

You won't because it will prove without a doubt that a power hungry, empire building president is insane enough to PROVE his power, by use of WMD's.

Now, for the rest of us, who lived through Nixon, and were old enough to be drafted, did we ever think Nixon was this insane? Honestly, no. Knew he was driven to "win" Vietnam, but to go Nuclear?

OTOH, this current * is isane enough to do it. He is God-powered.

Plus factor in he just left the country, we have no CIA director in charge, (like Mueller 9/11), Cheney's bunker is finished.....

[shanti]

89. increase in copter traffic around these parts

a LOT of it, only in the last night or so...i definitely think something's up!

[Minstrel Boy]

90. Here's a thread from last night with some other anecdotal indicators.

Unsubstantiated, naturally, but owing to the weirdness of the times perhaps ought to be added to the mix:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1710170

[seemslikeadream]

93. Do this have anything to do with anything

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=599163&mesg_id=599163

Meteor reported following flashes, booms over Western Washington

Edited on Thu Jun-03-04 05:58 AM by SoCalDem


http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/aplocal_story.asp?category=6420&sl...

Thursday, June 3, 2004 · Last updated 3:35 a.m. PT

Meteor reported following flashes, booms over Western Washington

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

SEATTLE -- Bright flashes and sharp booms were reported in the skies over the Puget Sound area early Wednesday, and an astronomy professor said a meteor apparently landed about 990 miles south of the city. Bradley Hammermaster, who teaches at the University of Washington, told KIRO Radio shortly after 3 a.m. PST a team was being assembled to head for the area where the meteor was believed to have hit near Chehalis.

Hammermaster said the meteor apparently was about the size of a small car and described it as a piece of the larger Trilene meteor.Bradley Hammermaster, who teaches at the University of Washington, told KIRO Radio shortly after 3 a.m. PST a team was being assembled to head for the area where the meteor was believed to have hit near Chehalis.

Hammermaster said the meteor apparently was about the size of a small car and described it as a piece of the larger Trilene meteor.

snip...

Witnesses along a 60-mile swath of the sound from near Tacoma to Whidbey Island and as far as 100 miles to the east near Ellensburg said the sky lit up brightly shortly before 3 a.m. PDT, and many also reported booming sounds as if from one or more explosions.

snip....

Civilian pilots reported seeing the flash from Ellensburg, east of the Cascade Range, said an FAA duty officer who did not give her name. At Whidbey Island, Petty Officer Andrew Davis said he and other saw the skyburst."It made a pretty Big bang," Davis said. "We thought it could maybe be a meteorite (a meteor that has struck Earth) or something."


LosinIt (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-03-04 06:42 AM
Response to Original message

2. No Hammermaster is known to the astronomy department


"A man who identified himself as University of Washington astronomy professor Bradley Hammermaster told KIRO Radio a team was being assembled to head for an area where the meteor was believed to have hit, but that call appeared to be a hoax, Smith said.

No one by the name of Hammermaster is known to the astronomy department, and the description given by the caller to the station of the object - an automobile-sized piece of a small car from a piece of the larger Trilene meteor - was clearly bogus, Smith added."


Checked the link and this is the last paragraph now. BFEE test? Dons tinfoil hat.


Don_G (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-03-04 07:07 AM
Response to Reply #2

6. AP Checked


Issued a "Withhold" on the story quoting "unverifiable sources" and reissued it: http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGBXB2FS0VD.html


TheWebHead (839 posts) Thu Jun-03-04 08:36 AM
Response to Original message

12. video


from a B&W camera in a parking lot... notice the change in light... typical of most of the state based on reports:

http://208.179.31.251/meteorlight.wmv


soup (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-03-04 08:54 AM
Response to Reply #12

17. Thanks for the news shot, WebHead.


Wondered if any video would show up. Would something like this show up on radar at all?

-----

This is interesting - From May 21, 2004:

This extremely bright meteor was recorded on a number of allsky cameras at 2:44 AM, including one operated in Albuquerque by Sandia National Labs and by at least five of the DMNS allsky network cameras. No witness reports have been received yet, but because of the early hour the fireball occurred I do not expect it to have been widely seen.

This image shows the entire event as recorded by the Guffey School camera, approximately 126 miles east of the fireball.

The fireball exploded almost directly over Montrose, Colorado, and appears to have been brighter than another one over the same area in 2002. A brightness estimate from the cameras suggests an apparent magnitude at Montrose of about -13.4, two to three times brighter than the full Moon.
video and more:
http://www.cloudbait.com/science/fireball20040521.html


jmcgowanjm (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-03-04 09:41 AM
Response to Original message

23. Operation Blinding Storm


Seven US Carriers Put
To Sea At Same Time

(Norfolk) a local television station in Norfolk reports that a total
of seven carrier strike groups are putting to sea in June - which
if I'm not mistaken is an unprecedented move: "While the
Navy won't say where the seven carrier groups are going,
the carriers not already deployed are expected to be gone
for only one to two months." Story (RealPlayer needed) at

http://www.wavy.com/Global/story.asp?S=1902088&nav=23iiNU2h

May 29, 2004
Canadians participate in major U.S.-British naval exercise

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2004/05/29/pf-478516.html

T-199.80..:-5-004.1.887(993.56)ETA:-24:34.INC
T-005.83..:-5-004.3.733(447.34)ETA:-05:51.INC
T-003.48..:-6-004.5.735(693.72)ETA:-10:37.INC?

MDC:-DIA=1.43..AU VEL as follows:-0.000234 LS
:-0.000138 LS
:-0.000319 LS

PTOI 1.9558.56 WE 10098.56 SE TTI+ETA(^&.99)
ETS SH=27/6/04? Tracking VEL US at this time.
PROJECTED POA UNKNOWN

T-199.80..:-5-004.1.887 INBOUND AT (sec.com) NAV 335.78+09.456(EMP=.0045) PSM.0012.

What does this mean?

T-199.80..:-5-004.1.887(993.56)ETA:-24:34.INC
T-005.83..:-5-004.3.733(447.34)ETA:-05:51.INC
T-003.48..:-6-004.5.735(693.72)ETA:-10:37.INC?

T- Countdown?, ETA-Est. time Arrival?, INC-Incoming?

[Minstrel Boy]

111. UK cabinet relocating to secure location this weekend?

Some indicators from the UK. This report:

Mass evacuation plan for London (May 14)
Minister Nick Raynsford said there was no need for alarm but "sensible precautions" had to be taken so any area of London could be evacuated.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3714291.stm

And this annonymous and unverified story today:

"I work in the Cabinet Office at 10 Downing Street, London. I´m only middle grade in the Civil Service - an aide to a PPS - but we have all just been informed that we will be relocating to Elan - the UK Government´s secure facility in the Brecon Beacons - this weekend. No reasons given. No family allowed.

"I´ve been directed to this site by a colleague in the Home Office involved in National Emergency Management."
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=335337&mpage=1&topic=3&showdate=6/4/04&replies=18&PHPSESSID=ace161d1ff5d9a17113804b7028ddeb3

[seemslikeadream]

112. Put this into the mix and things are just getting stirred up

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=602189&mesg_id=602189

[Beam Me Up]

92. and "around these parts" would be where, more or less?

n/t

[shanti]

95. this would be sacramento, ca

and i've very very aware of air traffic around here. there is definitely more movement than usual.

[Beam Me Up]

105. thanks

I'm in Oakland. Haven't noticed anything here, though.

[mopaul]

91. kick for the doomed........n/t

[shanti]

97. heh

didn't * say that "we would all be dead"? ;-)

[sleepystudent]

98. God, we get one of these types of threads every freaking day...

It gets so old and tired and IMO, self-centered. Esp. my favorite caveat in most of these threads, "Is it me, or?..." So annoying. You could say this about any day in the history of the world, something "big" is happening or is about to happen every day. Something is "coming" every day. So what.

[seemslikeadream]

99. Go back to sleep

student. Nothing to see here.

[sleepystudent]

100. What do you mean by that?(eom)

[TheWatcher]

113. He means that no matter how much you put your head in the sand

It wiill not affect the consequences of the events that are unfolding around you, whether you choose to beleive them or not.

Just because you refuse to believe there is anything going on in the world does not mean it is reality. Only that you want to deny the signs around you.

I agree with the Poster.

Go back to sleep. There is nothing for you to learn here.

Because you can't.

[seemslikeadream]

114. Howdy there TheWatcher - thanks for helping me out

I really appreciate it. Couldn't have said it better.

Just watch who you're calling a he, Partner!


I'm going to try to wake our friend up now.

[seemslikeadream]

115. Are you awake would you like to read something interesting?

from JohnOneillsMemory in LBN

Psych profile+fascism receptivity+Lakoff's family framing concept links.


This is entirely predictable. Bush* suffers from severe mental illness as has been well documented. We're experiencing Columbine High School on a global level.

Georgie was abused by his mother, shadowed by his father, shamed for mourning his sister's death and belittled in general. He became a self-destructive alcoholic with a cruel streak.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1033904,00.html
(So George, How Do You Feel About Your Mom and Dad?)

His 'authoritarian personality' matches what researchers discovered to be a marker for 'fascism receptivity' when the phenomenon was researched after WWII.
http://www.anesi.com/fscale.htm
(The F-factor questionnaire)

More recently, researchers have analyzed the components of the conservative personality. Their findings point to the fear-based tendencies that are similar in fundamentalist religious views and fascism receptivity, again the 'authoritarian personality.'
http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2003/07/22_politics.shtml
(What Makes Up a Conservative Personality)

This family experience modeling sets us up for how we view all our relationships at work and in government, too. Linguist George Lakoff explains how this 'framing' is used in political language and propaganda.
http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2003/10/27_lakoff.shtml
(Lakoff Explains Framing as Key to Thinking)

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=12&ItemID=4294
(Lakoff Explains Gender Language in Promoting War)

Bush's Erratic Behavior Worries White House Aides


From Capitol Hill Blue

Bush Leagues
Bush's Erratic Behavior Worries White House Aides
By DOUG THOMPSON
Publisher, Capitol Hill Blue
Jun 4, 2004, 06:15



President George W. Bush’s increasingly erratic behavior and wide mood swings has the halls of the West Wing buzzing lately as aides privately express growing concern over their leader’s state of mind.

In meetings with top aides and administration officials, the President goes from quoting the Bible in one breath to obscene tantrums against the media, Democrats and others that he classifies as “enemies of the state.”

Worried White House aides paint a portrait of a man on the edge, increasingly wary of those who disagree with him and paranoid of a public that no longer trusts his policies in Iraq or at home.

The President's abrupt dismissal of CIA Directory George Tenet Wednesday night is, aides say, an example of how he works.

"Tenet wanted to quit last year but the President got his back up and wouldn't hear of it," says an aide. "That would have been the opportune time to make a change, not in the middle of an election campaign but when the director challenged the President during the meeting Wednesday, the President cut him off by saying 'that's it George. I cannot abide disloyalty. I want your resignation and I want it now."

more
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/printer_4636.shtml

[Minstrel Boy]

101. This isn't a "my gut is telling me" thread.

There are non-subjective indicators that bear watching, like the unprecedented pre-catastrophic pumping of liquidity by the Federal Reserve, which even sober financial observers say suggests foreknowledge of an imminent, horrible event.

But what you make of this, or don't, is your business.

[gasperc]

102. and the director of the CIA resigning

if that ain't a hint and a half

[Minstrel Boy]

103. link, for convenience sake, to Webster Tarpley's important

presentation last week, "Rogue Bush Backers prepare Super 9/11 False Flag Terror Attacks"

http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=355

[brokensymmetry]

104. What puzzles me is...

Why are gold and silver NOT up? Why is the stock market up to sideways?

If a group of people knows that something big is coming, the circle of those who are aware of it tends to expand - and that moves markets. But the markets don't seem to be moving...have I missed something?

Question a thought.

[BabsSong]

107. Goddamnit, June 19th is my daughter's wedding...now what the

hell am I going to do with all these expensive dresses and all those meals, etc. You could have told me this before!! Well, at least my son will be coming from Georgia so if they decide to blow up what's it's face island and the whole goddman red state of Georgia, he and his family won't be there. The wedding is in Rhode Island--would any terrorist decide to attack Rhode Island--hey, maybe they have guys who are as stupid as our beloved leader and think Rhode Island is a major US hub............shit, I'm returning the dress.