it's 2 yrs. since bush attacked N.Y., will he ever be brought to justice?

[mopaul]

our nation seems to have recovered nicely from the 9-11 atrocities, the crater has been cleaned up, and plans are underway to rebuild the world trade center. but will the people responsible for this horror ever face judgment? bush himself said repeatedly after it happened that the perps would be hunted down and made to pay for this attack, but, wolfowitz, perle, kristol, baker, rice, cheney and rumsfeld are all still walking around freely, as is bush sr.

and mr. personal responsibility has blamed everyone but the real criminals for the deed. al quada, osama, the saudis, afghanistan, hussein, usay and quday, the axis of evil, liberals, and the media.
but it was his own white house staff that did it, and yet to this day, only a tiny handful of people can see it. millions of others are utterly hoaxed out and swallowing the lies like mother's milk.

all concrete investigations into the event have been successfully stymied, and the Project for a Nazi American Century is still on track. mysterious, ugly, subhuman enemies have been expertly blamed, while the actual orchestrator's of the monstrosity still walk among us, as free and respected citizens. lions are eating all of us, but we go on grazing hypnotically.

so the hunt for the evil doers goes door to door in baghdad and afghanistan, 'knock knock, is saddam in there?...no?...well bang bang your all dead anyway'. osama? he's not important anymore, even though he was once rumored to have been involved in 9-11, but we all now know it was saddam and his weapons of mass destruction who attacked us. the 2 year anniversary approaches, parades are being planned, speeches before adoring marines are being arranged, and flags will unfurl in the breeze.

the president will remind us again that we were attacked because 'they hate our freedoms'. he will remind us that we are winning the global war on terror, and that america is safer now because saddam has been removed. he will thank the brave men and women who serve, as if sleepwalking, they will cheer him as if he were george patton, instead of the man who is actually responsible for the 3000 murdered on 9-11. the man himself, mentally challenged as he is, did not implement the plan personally, but he signed onto it, and he is ultimately responsible for it.

will the men who murdered the 3000 on 9-11 ever be brought to justice?

[DUreader]

1. JFK, RFK, MLK........No Justice. I think he will not

it gets me down

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

2. But he can be brought down

by a strong Democratic in 2004. I just tell all 9 candidates to be very careful while travelling, especially in small private planes....

[greekspeak]

6. Poor Mel Carnahan

What a tragedy that crash was. Imagine how different things might be with Mel in congress! :-(

[King_Crimson]

28. Don't forget...

The good Senator Paul Wellstone. Isn't it odd that it's always Democrats meeting their demise in some underhanded way? :shrug:

[emad]

3. writing's been on the wall a long time, muchachos.....

its just got a bit diverted with "goodbye england's rose" and all that ensuing crap. time to give general pinochet's personal lodge the cosmic sendoff they've been asking for. just hope there's enough lawyers to cope with it all.....

[Pocho]

4. OH, OUR GEORGE WOULDN'T DO THAT. WOULD HE?

Cowed member of the Paper Bag Society, DU Chapter
"They're crazy, not me. All's nice. I want it to be"

Certainly no conspiracies here. All reasonably explained
JFK, Jack Ruby, Hale Boggs, Warren Commission, CIA, Martin King, Malcom X, Bobby Kennedy, Abby Hoffman, FBI, John Lennon, Fred Hampton, Che, Contras, Iran, Echelon, John Jr., Osama, Touch screen voting, Nov.2000, 18,181, Skull & Bones, 9/11, Anthrax, Wellstone, NSA, Nov.2002, DLC, Saddam, WMD, Dr Kelly, Arnold.(Earn PBS Blindy Points by adding others which tin hatters see as conspiracies but which we know are just a normal coincidental part of life.)

[catmandu57]

5. No, even if he wasn't the chimp in chief*

He's still wealthy and connected to greater wealth. That means he will never see justice unless there is a great upheaval and the ugly bastard and all of his fucked up family are brought before justice. Because, there certainly isn't any justice in America anymore, not for the poor, disconnected, mentally ill, for them there is prison, for the rich there is pie and ice cream justice.

[lrvp]

7. "the men who murdered the 3000 on 9-11"

I know I'll be booted off this forum shortly for posting this, but I just had to say it. I'm no fan of *, but if I and MOST Americans truly believed that this administration was directly responsible for, or had prior knowledge that the 9/11 attacks were going to occur, we would be doing MUCH more than spending our free time posting and reading messages on political boards! And I don't mean protesting and organizing voters. Thats why I can only assume that either you don't REALLY believe what you are saying in this thread, or that you all don't have the stones to do something about it.

[dennis4868]

8. Bush is directly responsible.....

he was warned of 911 happening and did nothing to protect our country except tell his cabinet not to fly on commercvial airlines for awhile and then he took a vacation....You know darn well if Clinton did such a thing we would be in the middle of a constitutional crisis with special counsels all over the place and with impeachment hearings coming up.

[lrvp]

11. Bush is directly responsible

I still don't believe that this administration had prior knowledge that the attacks were going to happen. My point is that if I and MOST Americans truly believed that they did, then there would/should be a revolution in this country. And if you truly believe that the Bush administration allowed 3000 American civilians to be murdered when they could have prevented it, and all you are doing about it is posting messages, protesting, etc., then you are no better than the Germans who allowed Hitler rise to power. I place the blame on the right as a whole for their continued attacks on the Clinton administration. For Clinton to have accomplished as much as he did during the '90s, under the withering and relentless attacks from the right, is remarkable. Without these distractions, I believe the Clinton administration could have done whatever was necissary to prevent what happened on 9/11.

[dennis4868]

14. huh?

It is public knowledge that Bush was warned months before the 911 attacks that there is clear and convincing evidence that Arab men would be flying planes in tall buildings, somewhere in the eastern part of the United States. Bush never warned the FAA about this, put our national security teams on high alert like Clinton did when he prevented the millineum terrorist attacks. BUSH DID NOTHING. As Wolfowitz said when Bush first came into office, "we will need another pearle harbor to get what we want." Why do you think Bush is hiding information from the public regarding 911? Listen, if someone comes in my house and steals my TV, stereo, jewelry, etc...that is not my fault. But if I leave the door open and I have a sign in front of my hosue that says, "hey burglars my alarm system is broken." Well, than I am asking for it and did nothing to protect my family and belongings. I would be the one to blame for the burglary even though I did not actually commit the crime. Bush should be held accountable for 911 just like Clinton would have been.

Please dont compare me to the germans who did nothing to stop hitler. The media, congress, and the supreme court is controlled by Bush and his thugs.; There is nothing we can do right now except vent a little....okay alot!

[EV1Ltimm]

9. we'll get right on that.

let me put in a call to rupert murdoch and mellon-scaife and tell them to do some investigative reporting on that.

this is a very frustrating period of history.

[mopaul]

10. quite wrong irv....

i really believe it, but you still don't. you are among those who have been fooled big time. i'm not saying you're stupid, really.
all i'm saying is you're ignorant. no crime being ignorant, it just means you don't have the knowledge of a thing yet, but when you do, you will no longer be ignorant.

and i have the balls to do something about it, i spoke up. i had a thought and i expressed it. and i woke up. i can see through all the bullshit, i just don't understand how a seemingly intelligent person like yourself does not.

it's common knowledge that bush at least knew it was going to happen.
all documented, all proven facts. he knew. but he never thought it was important enough to utter aloud. once you have your epiphany irv, come back, and we'll talk.

[lrvp]

12. "and i have the balls to do something about it"

Yea mopaul, it takes REAL balls to speak up, to have a thought and express it. You are missing my point. What I am saying is that if you TRULY believe that the Bush administration allowed 3000 civilians to be MURDERED when they could have prevented it, and ALL you are doing is speaking up and expressing thoughts, then no, you don't have balls.

[Q]

13. Should Bush* be IMPEACHED or forced to RESIGN?

- Just a reminder about the DOUBLE-STANDARDS of the New Republicans.

- Clinton was impeached for 'lying' in a deposition when he was asked specific questions about where and how he touched Monica. Right Wing America was 'outraged' and demanded (screamed) that he be thrown out of office. RWingers told us that it didn't matter WHAT the lie was about...that no president should be 'above the law'.

- But they must have meant that no Democratic President was above the law. After nearly a decade of smears, hearings, investigations, persecution and character assassinations on Democratic leaders....the Neocons are now saying that we should 'move on' because people are tired of smears, hearings, investigations, persecution and character assassinations. They call it 'news burnout'.

- The truth? Bush* & Company are above the law. The same standards used to impeach Clinton are now off the table with a GOP president and congress in power. Republicans and more than a few Democrats! have agreed to look the other way and pretend that Bush* is above reproach.

- This country's infrastructure is literally falling apart. Our military has become mercenary forces for empire and greed. Our government is being privatized and made beholden to corporate America instead of the people. Our free press is a self-serving corporate monopoly that withholds the truth from the people in the name of 'national security' and 'patriotism'.

- The Republican party is marching lockstep behind what they know are lies and deceit of the Bush* White House. The Bush* government has become a closed society where dissenters are smeared or threatened...or simply 'disappeared'. With a few notable exceptions...the Democratic party has been cowed into accepting that Bush* is above the law for as long as the 'war on terrorism' is in play. The unwritten agreement between the parties seems to be that the Bushies are exempt from prosecution for the duration of this everlasting war.

- Can truth and justice be put on hold during a 'time of war'? Is Bush* above the law? The answer to both is: yes. At the very least the Bushies showed gross incompetence in how they handled 9-11. The suspicious part is that this incompetence coincidentally gave them unprecedented powers to rule America with a corporate, iron fist.

[dennis4868]

15. wow!

could not have said that better myself!

[NoKingGeorge]

16. No one is above the law

America has always been a great Country partly because of the people that make up the stew. Cheney and the Corporations behind him will be brought to justice. There are men in office who realley do beleive in their oaths. There are people serving in all branches of the Government who know the truth and who will stand up for America in a time and way when it will be most productive.

We survived wars, Nixon, Raygun. We will see these very stupid people brought to justice.

[Q]

19. But the Reagan/Bush/Bush administrations were NEVER...

...brought to justice. Poppy Bush pardoned the main players in Iran/Contra...and there's a news blackout about how they financed, trained and equipted bin Laden and Saddam. Justice?

- The people 'serving' in THIS government are all former Reagan/Bush, Iran/Contra criminals. They don't care about truth or justice. Or haven't you noticed?

[King_Crimson]

17. I always have my reservations...

about those that appear with a low number of posts and even dare to question those of us who have been around on this board basically since it's inception. First off my friend...MoPaul is a distinguished member of this forum who has been around a long time and actually does RESEARCH, as do I on this little matter of direct if not sole complicity. Answer me this question...why was there no military response IMMEDIATELY after the first plane slammed into the WTC? WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR TELLING THE MILITARY TO STAND DOWN...AND WHY? Until I recieve a cognizant answer to that question, I will continue to hold these Fascist bastards to account for slaughtering over 3000 innocent Americans. Wanna do a little research on this, pal? www.serendipity.li/wtc.html Read the whole damn thing. When you are done there, try www.standdown.net then come back here and tell us we are full of shit!! :mad:

[lrvp]

20. reservations

You all continue to miss my point. You say that you "continue to hold these Fascist bastards to account for slaughtering over 3000 innocent Americans". Just what are you doing to "hold them to account"? Regardless of who I believe is responsible, the point I am raising is that if those who DO believe that Bush allowed 3000 Americans to be murdered do nothing more than post messages on boards, attend protests, etc., then you aren't really holding anyone to account, are you?

[King_Crimson]

21. Hold them to account???

What are we to do when the Fascist party controls ALL seats of government? And another little tidbit you may find interesting is the modern day version of "Mein Kamp"...better known as "The Project For A New American Century"! Read it...written and endorsed by such "notables" as Dick Cheney, Richard Perle, Donald Rumsfeld and a whole host of other vampires. When these bastards said..."what is needed to put this plan into effect is another cataclysmic event...such as Pearl Harbor" what do you think they were referring to? I'd say that on 9/11/01, they got their "cataclysmic event, engineered by themselves. http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf Read this on some dark, stormy night and see if it doesn't give you the willies!

[Dhalgren]

22. If you think that armed insurrection

is just something that a few guys talk about over beers and then go out and storm the Bastille, you have not given insurrection very much thought. A real revolution, with guns and bombs and massive deaths on both sides does not come about over night. There is much planning and logistics to work out. Be patient. Rome was not destoyed in a day.

[ILeft]

18. Yes it does take "balls" to speak up nowadays.

Speaking out against the Bush Regime is not a safe thing to do in this country. It can destroy personal/family relationships, get one on the Regime's shit-list, invite personal (even physical) attacks from the more ignorant members of our society, result in job loss, and on and on.

I'd say mopaul has some juevos. And informed juevos, at that!

[bpilgrim]

23. tell that to the White Rose Society

http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/wr.htm

mo paul is a hero who won't SHUT UP... just what the doctor ordered ;->

peace

[King_Crimson]

26. Right on bpilgrim...

I personally put our friend MoPaul in the same category as Will Pitt! Two very intelligent individuals...talented too!:bounce:

[bpilgrim]

27. ditto

:hi:

peace

[King_Crimson]

24. Here ya go...

and this is BRAND SPANKING NEW. Perhaps there IS something we can do about it "How California and the Minority in Congress Can Prosecute the White House for Suspected Criminal Acts". http://www.yuricareport.com/Impeachment/RICO_Prosecution.htm

[King_Crimson]

25. Here ya go...

and this is BRAND SPANKING NEW. Perhaps there IS something we can do about it "How California and the Minority in Congress Can Prosecute the White House for Suspected Criminal Acts". http://www.yuricareport.com/Impeachment/RICO_Prosecution.htm Finger slipped...please delete dupe.

[ElementaryPenguin]

30. Very interesting stuff, HF!

thanks

[leftofthedial]

29. Murka does not value justice

either criminal or social, very highly.

the truth about 9-11 will never see the light of day.

Such fragments of truth as are prized from the slag heap of official disinformation will be marginalized as conspiracy theories, wacky, extremist and tin foil hat paranoia.

You seem to believe the MIHOP theory.