the southern baptists have lost sight of any REALITY--wtf? NO to public

[Blue_Roses]

schools. To vote to take their kids out of public schools? What the hell?
They are slowly losing their grip on reality. It would be sad if it wasn't so scarey.

Living in the south, many of us were born and raised southern baptist, but this goes against everything I was taught way back in the day--which is Jesus doesn't DISCRIMINATE! This is beyond a "baptist" belief but more fanatical--Jim Jones, David Koresh--fanatical! Geeze...I see why Jimmy Carter left the southern baptist church.

With this much racist, pious, self-righteous "pomp and circumstance," it's just a matter of time before there is an implosion which will split this group. This much hate can't sustain without serious self-destructing reprecussions.

One other thing people seem to be forgetting about all this support they give Bush. The southern baptist have LOADS OF $$$, NOT TO MENTION THE TAX BREAKS THEY GET FOR BEING A "RELIGIOUS ESTABLISHMENT," why would they want Kerry to come in and change all that for them. They will fight tooth and nail for Bush--to push their conservative agenda and to keep their moola.

What is that ol' saying that we've all heard so many times, "the love of money is the root of all evil." There ya go...

[dorktv]

1. Many people forget April 19th. The second worst terrorist attack in

American History.

[Warren DeMontague]

2. Good. Don't let the door hit em on the ass on the way out...

Good luck getting the little brainwashed tykes into college when they believe that the Earth is literally 4,000 years old, or that the Sun is really a round ball of bright orange angels singing "Hallelujah".

[bloom]

13. Unfortunately

there are getting to be more "fundy" Christian colleges.

(My husband looked into teaching at one, but the teachers have to all be fundies.)


One would hope they would not be accredited if they insist on teaching nonsense as fact.

[Lars39]

3. I consider the hardcore SB's to be cultists at this point.

The members that can still step back and evaluate what is going on are going to be either just leaving the church or there is going to be some serious church-splitting occuring. And that won't be pretty.

[Blue_Roses]

17. I agree

there were some great things at one time that I enjoyed as a child about the SBC, but those days have long passed. It's sickening to see the way that have used politics to promote their agenda. I totally agree when the split occurs--and make no mistake, it WILL occur--it won't be pretty.

[Lars39]

22. And sad that they don't see how they are being manipulated.

Some are catching on. I've been hearing some pretty strong grumbling.

[Blue_Roses]

27. My sister's husband

is a baptist minister and she made the comment to me one day about it being "a business" so "shouldn't it get taxed then" I asked. Her face went blank. Guess she didn't mean to let the cat out of the bag!;) We hardly speak anymore since we have such two opposing views.

[Lars39]

28. I know what you mean about hardly speaking....

there's SB missionaries on my husband's side of the family.
I'm currently being shunned, although I'm not supposed to know it. :)

[Blue_Roses]

31. they are so dammed

hypocritical. Here they are, preaching "love thou neighbor," and they can't even speak to their family. My sister lives in a "bubble." She's older than me and amazes me how naive' she is.

[Lars39]

34. Love a neighbor?

A new neighbor moved in across the road. They went to welcome the neighbor. They didn't approve of the neighbor(he flea-marketed for extra money), so they don't visit them anymore.
Heck, the neighbor could be dead for weeks and they'd find out about in the newspaper. :shakes head:

[Howardx]

4. if they take their kids out of publlic schools

will they quit trying to force their agenda on them?

[MallRat]

10. Then they'll push for school vouchers. And probably succeed.

n/t

[JHB]

5. Well, there they go again...

They did the same thing in 1845, split from the American Baptist Missionary Union, over slavery.

They were the pro-slavery faction, and didn't bother to renounce that until the mid-1990's (during one of the RW efforts to woo blacks).

A foam-out was inevitable.

[LittleApple81]

6. Not "lost site" but lost SIGHT (vision). Sorry, but English is not

my native language and it bugs the hell out of me to see people not using their language correctly.

[Blue_Roses]

19. just trying to save on letters in my short space there.

but if it offends I will change it for you.

[LittleApple81]

32. Thanks! n/t

[FlaGranny]

7. They must really be "cultists"

My aunt, who was a fundamentalist Christian, once came to visit for a few days and asked us to locate a church for her to go to on Sunday and said that most any church would do, EXCEPT for Southern Baptist.

[JHB]

8. Well, There They Go Again...

They did the same thing in 1845, split from the American Baptist Missionary Union, over slavery.

They were, of course, the pro-slavery faction, and didn't bother to renounce that until the mid-1990's (during one of the RW efforts to woo blacks).

A foam-out has been inevitable since they were radicalized and politicized back in the 70's by Robertson, Falwell, and the rest of the televangelists.

[JHB]

15. Weirdness...

Got an error message & thought it didn't post, made some changes on the re-send, and now can't edit the first one. :shrug:

[doni_georgia]

24. That's been happening to me all week WTF?

[chookie]

9. American madrasses

A SB guy I saw interviewed on CBS yesterday said that public schools "persecuted Christians". He then clarified this to mean that secularlism was equivalent to "anti-Christian".

Aw come on. Apparently their faith isn't strong enough to withstand exposure to secular viewpoints.

It's one of the ironies of our time that at the same time we are supposedly battling authoritarianism and militant religious fanaticism, that it is on the rise in our own country.

[whistle]

11. If a church advocates for a political candidate....

...they are violating separation of church and state and should have to forfeit all non-profit and tax status considerations, period! Let me see now, church contributions must be a significant total of individual tax deductions among believers, say 10% tithing. How about all of the church buildings and land that are exempt from paying local property taxes and intangible taxes? How about the salaries of ministers, that can be fully taxed, along with all the deductions clergy are now given which ought to go away? All of this could go a long way to balancing not only federal budget deficits, but state and local budgets also. Let's make it retro-active to the beginning of 2003. Oh and the 700 Club, those guys have been doing pretty good, we can collect a bundle from them, I'll bet.

[Freddie Stubbs]

12. They actually voted this down

[Blue_Roses]

21. but to even bring it up to begin with...

it's :crazy:

[Gildor Inglorion]

14. Radix Omnium Malorum Est Cupiditas

All too true. I have relatives who are American Baptists...not the same thing at all. Mostly, though, my family are Methodists, Episcopalians, or Presbyterians. These denominatons have their faults, Lord knows, but they're not as bad as the Southern Baptists.

[jay-3d]

30. look the size of this Baptist church down the

street from me... It scares me!

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[Blue_Roses]

33. yep

over 25,000 members. Prestonwood scares me too. Their preacher scares me.

[curlyred]

16. big change in this denomination about 25 years ago

Always a conservative denomination, but not an unkind group of people. I know, because I was raised Southern Baptist. Much like the takeover of the republican party by the ultra right wing, the Southern Baptists were moved further to the right by increasingly rigid leaders.

A sad thing to watch.

[Liberal Veteran]

18. Yeah...watched that happen as well.

I grew up in a So. Baptist household and about 25 years ago, they started in with the whole persecution complex they have now (everyone is out to get them and destroy Christianity and make them all worship Satan).

[Blue_Roses]

25. I know, it's like they have this HUGE

fear of change and reality.

[Just Me]

29. It's both sad and frightening,...

,...because they go to such extremes to overcome their sense of powerlessness. They are a danger to themselves and society at large just as any group of radically-inspired ideologues,...just as this neocon administration.

[Bridget Burke]

20. In the old days, they avoided politics.

They understood that if their church interfered in politics, the politicians might interfere with their church. Until some sold their souls.

[Blue_Roses]

23. I was raised one too

and I have fond memories as a child of camps and trips where we actually helped people in need. Sad to see it go so fanatical

[Az]

26. The religious right has entered a scortched earth phase

For some time now there has been some noise coming from the right that the public education system was done. They have adopted the stance that if they cannot control the system they will destroy it.

If the Southern Baptists pull out of the public education system there will be a massive drive to defund it. This is a latter day torching of the Library of Alexandria. The knowledge being taught does not coincide with their world views so they are going to torch the system that is teaching it.

[forgethell]

35. Huh?

With this much racist, pious, self-righteous "pomp and circumstance," it's just a matter of time before there is an implosion which will split this group. This much hate can't sustain without serious self-destructing reprecussions.

Baptists will split for a lot less than any of that. churches, split, conventions split. so what?