Lovely....Falwell & Buchanan Both Have New Anti-Gay Marriage Eds This Week

[Khephra]

The Ongoing Effort to Defend Traditional Marriage
Jerry Falwell
Friday, Aug. 15, 2003
http://newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/8/15/24015.shtml

Yes, Virginia, there is a religious war
Patrick Buchanan
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34026

[ameriphile]

1. Ahh... Falwell and Buchanan

Two guys who have built entire careers out of hating others. Is this a great country, or what?

[sable302]

2. Robinson's history

plays right into the hands of every scrap of conservative mythology about gays. For example, he had a family, but he and his wife divorced because Robinson was gay. When they divorced they did so in a loving way, and even had a church ceremony in which they apologized to each other for any hurt caused through the ordeal. He and his ex wife remain loyal friends to this day, and committed parental partners. his daughters were with him at general convention when his election was approved. This is not the history of a man who suddenly up and ditched his poor wife and kids to go be gay. But to hear the conservatives talk, he was an evil queer who suddenly left his family to go live with some man:

quote: "Fifteen years ago, Robinson dissolved his marriage, dumped his wife, abandoned his two little girls and went off to shack up. He thus violated his marriage vows, flouted the teachings of the Anglican faith he was ordained to uphold and entered into a sinful liaison his church has always taught was perverted."

This was not the way it happened, and Robinson said as much in his NPR interview during the convention. Notice the "Dr." Laura language in the previous quote: "abandoned his two little girls and went off to shack up"

These two articles represent an attack not on Robinson so much as an attack on what the right term as the 'gay lifestyle.' Robinson's history just plays so well into their mythology that it makes an excellent illustration for them.

Next they will be saying that Mark Andrew enticed Robinson and 'recruited' him away from his godly straight life in order to push the gay agenda.

[Paschall]

5. Yes, the twisted Mark Andrew and her gay agenda

Oh, the Vestry Queen! :eyes:

(Andrew and Robinson apparently spend a lot of time together with parishoners in vestry. I gather he's much appreciated.)

[theboss]

3. Where are Buchanan's defenders today?

Let this be a lesson in the Primaries, just because you are right on Iraq, does not make you right on everything. And just because a candidate is wrong on Iraq, does not make them wrong on everything.

[Chilly_Willy]

4. Hmmm

They never seem to represent Christians in a good way (because they don't act as Christ did) and in Buchanans' article it mentions what the Vatican stated. Well, when did Buchanan become Catholic? What the Vatican states was a reminder to Catholics of their beliefs not a hate filled letter towards the gay community. The Catholic church didn't even need to give a statement the rules and guidelines have been written and passed down so long that most people know that the Catholic Church does not recognize gay marriage in the US.

Looking at it from what the Catholic church says and is being quoted everywhere now, no one forces you to practice a certain religion or a religion at all. This is your own decision, the Catholic church has the belief that marriage is for two people of the opposite sex. This rule doesn't seem to be changing so there's no use in bringing it up in the Catholic Church to dispute.

[Paschall]

6. This, from Buchanan, is particularly hateful

"To see Robinson elevated to bishop is to be reminded that in the French Revolution, the Paris mob used the high altar at Notre Dame Cathedral to canonize the town tramp as their Goddess of Reason."

And untrue...

1) This event was not a "mob" action. It was ordered by the Convention, the French government at the time.

2) The scene occurred (10 Nov. 1793) in the chancel of Notre Dame, not at the high altar. A kind of "mountain" temple was built, decorated with busts of philosophers.

3) There was no canonization. The revolutionaries enacted a scene choreographed by the ballet master of the Paris Opera to the theme of the "La Marseillaise," with music, singing, and costumes.

4) The woman who played the Goddess of Reason was not a "tramp" (Buchanan compares Bishop Robinson to a whore!). Her name was Aubry and she was a lead singer at the Opera. She stepped out of the temple wearing the revolutionary red bonnet and a blue cloak, sat on a green "throne" and was greeted by song.

A contemporary engraving:


Liberty armed with the scepter of Reason strikes down Ignorance and Fanaticism

More: http://www.diagnopsy.com/Revolution/Rev_062.htm