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complain jane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 11:45 AM
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Schwarzenegger Wants Stray Animals Killed Quicker (Saves CA Money)
Schwarzenegger backs speedier killing of strays
Friday, June 25, 2004 Posted: 11:34 AM EDT (1534 GMT)

SACRAMENTO, California (AP) -- Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger wants to repeal a state law that requires animal shelters to hold stray dogs and cats for up to six days before killing them.

Instead, there would be a three-day requirement for strays. Other animals, including birds, hamsters, potbellied pigs, rabbits, snakes and turtles, could be killed immediately.

Schwarzenegger has told the state Legislature that the changes could save local governments that operate shelters up to $14 million.

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http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/West/06/25/Schwarzenegger.strays.ap/index.html
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 12:03 PM
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1. Oh. My. God.
Anything for a buck, eh Arnie? You vomitous piece of shit! Killing poor defenseless animals to save a buck!

I hate that Nazi bastard.
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 12:05 PM
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2. Don't worry.
All the animal rescue and animal rights groups have already picked up on it. It is being splashed all over the Internet. Everyone is calling for action. I doubt that Arnie will get away with this one. Plus I have posted the article to lots of other rescue groups and they will forward it on.
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 12:05 PM
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3. Schwarzenegger needs to be euthanized as quickly as possible
to put him out of our misery.

Really - by the time you have called all the shelters, gone looking for your lost critter, checked with the neighbors and then gone to the right shelter, your beloved dog or cat could be dead. And Arnold would happily pocket the 14 million he saved and pay for another cocktail party republican fundraiser for his pals while you are left wondering why your great state just slaughtered your best friend.

You gotta love these neo-cons -- they aren't even from the same human stock as the rest of us. Go California! Tear him the new buttcrack he so richly deserves!
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MUSTANG_2004 Donating Member (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 12:13 PM
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5. Who waits 3 days to call the shelter?
"Really - by the time you have called all the shelters, gone looking for your lost critter, checked with the neighbors and then gone to the right shelter, your beloved dog or cat could be dead."

Who'd wait three days before calling the shelter if their dog got loose? People like that don't deserve to have pets.
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 12:36 PM
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8. do you live in a small town?
there are several shelters here and they have lousy recordkeeping. It might be three days before you found your animal here.

Actually I take a bit of umbrage to your comment, (and I have seven very happy and spoiled critters) - why don't you go attack a republican? We're not here to attack each other.
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 01:11 PM
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14. In a huge metropolitan area like I live in....
We may have upwards of 20-30 shelters, if you include the city shelters, rescue societies for specific breeds, and no kill shelters.

If your animal disappears on a weekday, and you still happen to have a job in this day and age, you might spend quite a bit of time calling shelters during the day at work looking for an animal of that basic description, driving by them in the evenings to check the pens, and you STILL wouldn't be able to get them all in 3 days.

Obviously, you'd check the kill shelters first, but there are a bazillion suburbs here. And each one has its own shelter.

Your suggestion that any of us would be careless or purposely insensitive to our pets was unfortunate and unkind.
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MUSTANG_2004 Donating Member (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 01:36 PM
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18. Unkind?
I wasn't trying to be unkind. As a lifelong pet owner, I just can't imagine anyone waiting 3 days to check a shelter for a pet they care about.

Anyway, that would be a rare situation. Except in unusual circumstances (i.e. running away in the middle of being groomed), responsible pet owners put a collar and tag on the animal so they can be notified if the pet is picked up.
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oldcoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 01:50 PM
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21. Do you use a safety collar?
One of the reasons that this collar is safe is because it will come off the animal. This is one of the reasons why many people get a chip implant for their pets. Unfortunately, not all shelters check for the chip.
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 03:26 PM
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23. It's your tone.
Both I and sui told you about the circumstances in big cities. And we never said ANYTHING about waiting 3 days to look. That's not the issue. The issue is beginning the search immediately when the pet is lost, and not being able to track it down before it is euthanized.

I am a responsible pet owner, and have had my dog chipped and keep a collar on him. But the other DUer was right. Not all shelters check for chips.

He's an indoor dog. So we don't have to worry about that much.

HOWEVER. He's a big dog, and taught us quickly enough that he knows how to slip out of a collar. He escaped from us several times while out on walks.

The rescue society we got him from forbids choke collars, but we didn't have a choice. The choke collar was the only thing that would keep him from breaking and running, and he's much easier to control. He knows he can't slip out of his collar anymore.

You're being very judgmental. Things may be very cut and dried in smaller areas where there is only 1 shelter, but big cities are much different. Sadly so.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 12:08 PM
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4. Fourteen million, Arnie? Spend half that much on educating the public
Edited on Fri Jun-25-04 12:09 PM by Straight Shooter
I mean sincere education. Take kids from schools to the shelters, show them these creatures who don't deserve what's happened to them. Organize classes at community centers in obedience training (most animals are put down because of behavior problems.)

And speaking of behavior problems, that's how my beloved pet got to the shelter. Her former "family" neglected her all day long and couldn't understand why she kept running away. They took her to the shelter. The shelter called me, I "rescued" her, she's been with me over 2 years now, and all it took was one month of patient but consistent training, and she's the greatest four-legged companion one could ask for.

So f*ck you, Arnie. And stop looking for solutions that don't address the real problem.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 12:27 PM
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6. Rich assholes
Arnie don't care because he's a narcissistic sociopath shit who never had to care about anything else but himself.Arnie is just like Bush is.Both are incompetent failures because their priorities are inverted. So Arnie does what any abusive fuck head does,when faced with failure kill something.. he kicks the dog,'cause He doesn't want to hurt his rich buddies ,investors,funders and self and he'll make the weaker members pay more to help the rich instead of the rich paying back money to help the society that funds their wealth,and status making it possible...So what do creeps like Arnie do, they kill animals rather than raise taxes on the rich who can well afford to share.Republicans are evil.
They'd rather kill than share with others to make a better society for all..
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 12:29 PM
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7. Yoo shoot be buying dee PURE BREED dogs...
Deeze mongrel races must bee deeztroyed!!
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 12:37 PM
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9. Just wasted $60 million to close state offices for Reagan's funeral
what a piece of shit he is!!!
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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 12:39 PM
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10. So the Terminator is an appropriate name, right?
He won't get this passed.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 12:40 PM
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11. Thanks, Arnie!
Edited on Fri Jun-25-04 12:41 PM by redqueen
for ensuring you'll be another Republican one-termer!

Wonder what kind of offensive crap he'll propose next... and I wonder if Maria's as PROUD as she was during all those gushing interviews she gave trying to get her husband his job.
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 12:48 PM
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12. Boy, did you pick the wrong adversary this time, Arnold.
You'll lose this one (as well you should). Who do you think people will side with, Arnold, you--or this:

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PopSixSquish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 12:51 PM
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13. I Just Wrote an Email to Him...
Edited on Fri Jun-25-04 12:51 PM by PopSixSquish
in which I stated that the fact that this idea even crossed his mind made him someone beneath contempt.

In the words of our Vice President, "Fuck you Arnie, Fuck you"
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 01:12 PM
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15. Euthanize Republicans Instead
Even if they aren't behind this piece of shit administration, their complacency is felonious.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 01:28 PM
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16. I smell Rove.
Picture this: * comes up in national TV blasting Ahnuld and demanding he backs off. Ahnuld backs of. * is the Great Hero, Protector of Puppies and Kittens.

Unless Ahnuld IS serious. Then it's almost too good to be true.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 01:35 PM
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17. Swartzenaegzgier, have you no decency man, no humanity, no compassion,
no heart? May your God be just by sending you straight to the hot place you have earned.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 01:40 PM
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19. Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh !
:grr: :mad: :grr:

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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 01:47 PM
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20. MORE Info and What to DO/ Who to Contact

**PLEASE CROSS-POST/FORWARD ASAP!**
>
> In his effort to solve the budget crisis, California Governor
> Schwarznegger has taken a hatchet to years of laws enacted to protect
> abused and abandoned animals. The result is the "behind closed doors"
> repeal of the Hayden bill and other pieces of humane legislation,
> passed through the years. Whether an act of omission or commission,
> the result will be a return to the horrible pre-1998 status quo for
> California animal shelters if you don't act TODAY.
>
> The two most disturbing elements of the Governor's budget are the
> return of the animal holding period to only 72 hours for all animals
> (stray and relinquished) and the elimination of the requirement that
> shelters seek veterinary care for animals at the shelter.
>
> Among the other policies that will be repealed if the current budget
> is adopted:
> *The requirement that people convicted of cruelty to animals to pay
> for the costs of the animals' care while the issue of guilt is being
> determined.
> *The requirement that as a condition of probation, people convicted of
> animal cruelty can be prevented from owning animals for three years.
> *The law that made it a duty for shelters to use all currently
> acceptable methods of identification – including microchips – to
> determine the lawful owner of any seized or impounded animals.
> *The State's policy preference for adoption instead of killing
> animals.
> *The requirement that shelters allow qualified animal adoption/rescue
> groups to take responsibility for animals if they pay the required > fee.
> *The requirement that shelters give owner-relinquished animals a
> chance to be adopted.
>
> The extent of the repeal caught everyone by surprise. We have only one
> last chance to have these draconian measures removed from the budget.
> The budget conference committee meets one final time... this weekend.
> They must be convinced to revisit the inclusion of the Hayden
> legislation as part of the budget or at least to only suspend the
> fiscal provisions of the Hayden legislation until the budget crisis
> has passed.
>
> Years of your work and the countless hours of hundreds of volunteers
> can be erased THIS WEEKEND if this repeal is allowed to occur.
>
> Listed below is contact information for the legislators who will be
> meeting this weekend to approve the proposed budget. Please contact
> them as many times as you are able before 5pm Friday, June 25th.
>
> THE FATE OF MILLIONS OF ANIMALS ARE RELYING ON YOUR ACTION. SEND AN
> EMAIL, SEND A FAX AND MAKE A CALL. Tell them NOT TO REPEAL THE HAYDEN
> LAW!
>
> QUESTIONS? Contact Rich Mc Lellan, Animal Legislative Action Network,
> alan1@ix.netcom.com OR Jennifer Fearing, United Animal Nations,
> jfearing@uan.org
>
> Conference Committee Members
>
> Chesbro, Wes (D) - Chair
> (916) 445-3375 tel
> senator.chesbro@sen.ca.gov email
> (916) 445-3375 fax
>
> Dede Alpert (D)
> (916) 445-3952 tel
> senator.alpert@sen.ca.gov email
> (916) 327-2188 fax
>
> Ross Johnson (R)
> (916) 445-4961 tel
> *doesn’t use e-mail
> (949) 833-0696 fax
>
> Darrell Steinberg (D)
> (916) 319-2009 tel
> assemblymember.steinberg@assembly.ca.gov email
> (916) 319-2109 fax
>
> Judy Chu (D)
> (916) 319-2049 tel
> *doesn’t use e-mail
> (916) 319-2149 fax
>
> Rick Keene (R)
> (916) 319-2003 tel
> assemblymember.keene@assembly.ca.gov email
> (916) 319-2103 fax
>
>
> Senate Budget Committee Staff
> Keely Martin Bosler
> Consultant
> (916) 445-5202 tel
> keely.bosler@sen.ca.gov email
> (916) 323-8386 fax
>
>
> Assembly Budget Committee Staff
> Kasey Schimke
> Consultant
> (916) 319-2099 tel
> kasey.schimke@asm.ca.gov email
> (916) 319-2199
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TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-04 01:52 PM
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22. This is such a stupid & cruel plan!!!! I hope the people in CA
rise up against this.
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