A monster movie... a horror flick if you will....

[supercrash]

Coming out of the movie 9-11 I wasn't upset...or even angry

The lady in the movie says..."we were duped" ...this is a lie..The truth was there to see for anybody that wanted to take their blinders off for a nanosecond....Nobody was duped

Instead of the rage I expected to have after the flick...I found myself quiete happy

I want this monster released on the American people for a second term....The American people deserve it

Americans have a very very hard time understanding that their actions and decisions will cause re-actions that they might not like...And I want them to reap what they sow for once, how will they ever learn if they are just bailed out of this ?

I am willling to suffer myself just to watch these idiots reap what they sow, they should NOT be let off the hook with Kerry...they deserve Bush

I have been put in danger by these fools...and I want them to suffer.

I WILL NOT shed a tear after the next attack....America SO deserves what is coming

thoughts...?

[bitchkitty]

1. Thoughts? Only one -

I hate Bush. I don't hate the American people who were fooled by him. In the 80s I was a shallow fool, but I never deserved Ronald Reagan. The shallow fools of the 90s and 00s don't deserve Bush. Nobody does.

We really are all in this together - it's just that some of us haven't realized it yet.

[supercrash]

12. "In this together" ?

Are you stoned ?

Bush is not the uniter you think he is...he has diveded this country like never before..(in recent history)

I have news for you....the repukes don't think we are "in this together" ....they are out to smear slander and sieze power....I can assure you that you ARE NOT in this together with them...they hate you

[name not needed]

14. They hate you too.

That is, unless you wish to see them succeed.

[bitchkitty]

45. No, I'm not stoned -

people were fooled. I'm not a Bush lover (and I can prove that).

Most people are not like the political junkies you see on BBS. Unfortunately, they are bombarded with propaganda soundbytes and don't have the knowledge to protect themselves. They're not freepers, they're just ignorant.

But you go ahead and wish death and destruction upon the entire population. That's not only idiotic, it's psychotic.

[SammyWinstonJack]

2. Thoughts?

You don't really want to know my thoughts regarding your post.

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[spooked]

48. Unfortunately, they will never learn

and they also believe that their actions were sanctioned by God, so there will never be any accountability.

No, we better get them the hell out of power before it's too late, and this country ignites in a religious civil war.

[1monster]

53. Yes, we were put in danger by these people. But may I remind you...

We were put in danger by these people

That we, the people of the United States, did NOT elect these people! They lost the popular vote even with all their cheating. Even with their voter rolls purges and "lost" registration information at the polls, and the intimidation used to keep black (read Democratic) voters away from the polls, they still did not win the Electoral College. In the end, when the recount was FINALLY done by the consortium of news companies, the count in the whole of Florida showed that even with all the vote manipulation mentioned above, George W. Bush did NOT win Florida. Al Gore did.

So, why, when the people of this country and the people of the world have already suffered so much from these criminal thugs, do you believe that we should suffer more for THEIR criminality?

If BuchCo manages to still yet anothe election in this country, then I believe that WWIII is assured. And remember what Einstein said about WWIII.

I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones...

Also by Einstein: "The world is a dangerous place to live, not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it."

[Warpy]

3. You're acting like we elected the SOB

We didn't. He was appointed.

A lot of fools did vote for him. He lied to them.

The press is continuing to lie to them, but more are waking up to the fact that the press is lying to them.

Dreams of Armageddon, whether from the left or the right, are disgusting.

[supercrash]

7. Who is talking about the 2000 election ?

I am talking about the massive war support Jr. had before we invaded Iraq

These ARE Americans...that put me and mine in danger...all I want is for them to reap what they sow

[Prodemsouth]

4. Thoughts - you bet, but I am in a good mood so I will pass.

n/t

[cjbuchanan]

5. I find this post disgusting

In my own opinion, if you do not want to make this country better, then you are part of the problem.

Remember, it is not just Americans who are hurt by this man's actions. What voice do the people of the non-US world have in our election?

If you are not willing to clean your own house, then you are supporting it with your silence.

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[Beam Me Up]

9. I understand you rage but you don't think you are part of the problem?

We are all part of the problem. The SYSTEM we live in IS the problem. Nihilists supiriority attitudes are as much a part of the problem as total ignorance that there even IS a problem.

Edit: typo

[obietiger]

10. American people deserve a good president

and John Kerry would be that person. Remember the majority of people voted for Gore - we knew Bush was a phony. After the election fiasco, some of us had hope that Bush would live up to his promise to unite, not divide. Well, that hope lasted less than a week if I remember correctly. So I and my family and my friends and everyone else that cares about the U.S. deserve a good president. We deserve someone to care about the people that have loss their jobs (lots in Ohio), to care about the elderly, the poor, the sick, the oppressed. And to just care about healing our nation.

[IronLionZion]

16. Gore won big

apparently we can add like 2 million poor and black votes to the 500,000 he won by. They were thrown out because poor precincts don't have the verification machines on site. Rich ones do.

What sucks the most is that we came so close to having an independent thinker as president. The establishment thought they could control him once elected, but if you've heard him lately that's not the case. He's his own man, unlike Bush.

[supercrash]

21. Come on now...FUCK THE ELECTION

I am talking about all the people supporting this unjust war....many Gore voters supported the Iraq war...LOTS OF EM

[IronLionZion]

30. Nobody would have supported it

if they weren't told to. If Bush did not push for war do you think pro-war people would take to the streets and demand it? What in the world were they waiting for before Bush wanted it?

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[TrustingDog]

26. even with Kerry, it's the same putrid system...

of the have and have mores.
Getting rid of that Stink that calls himself a president is surely a great step, but it is will not make much difference in how the seamy underground of the powerful have always worked against the great unwashed and used them like pawns for their tax dollars and cannon fodder for their piracy.

Kerry may be a bit more sauvy and human looking but he ain't no hero of the people.

[robbedvoter]

40. Hero of the people? Are you speaking for "the people"?

Cuz you surely don't speak for me if you approve of these homicidal thoughts.

[latebloomer]

41. I fear you are right

Kerry also has his corporate masters. The downward spiral would just be slowed down by a Kerry-- nevertheless, I will vote for him.

And, though I certainly do not wish for another attack, or further deterioration of our environment, economy and civil liberties, I wonder what it will take to wake some people up.

[IronLionZion]

11. Not everyone reads internet news and DU

but the people who do are responsible to get the truth out and prevent these things from happening. I don't want a neo-con president ever again. Nor do I want any one to die from a terror attack.

[fla nocount]

13. "You're a meeean one.....Mr. Grinch." nt

[Rowdyboy]

15. No, you REALLY don't want to know what I think

about your thread..... To be polite, I'll just :puke:

[malatesta1137]

18. great post!

It was very easy for the Germans, after Hitler's monstrosities were uncovered, to just say 'we were fooled'. Americans are being just as hypocritical. They've been watching this man commit one crime against humanity after the other and, yet, they still support him in large numbers.

They saw Bush steal the office, yet they did nothing.

They saw Bush pull out of every world treaty, yet they did nothing.

They saw Bush destroy the environment, yet they did nothing.

They saw Bush destroy the treasury, yet they did nothing.

They even gave him more power in the 2002 elections.

Americans will have no sympathy from the world.

[robbedvoter]

22. "They"? Who are you? A martian?

You got to love these ivory tower world haters - a lot of good s*heads of your ilk did!

[malatesta1137]

27. truth hurts

doesn't it?

[robbedvoter]

35. Nope. Sanctimoniousness irritates. You & Crash think yourselves above

I have nothing to apologoze for. I voted Gore, I opposed the wars (Afghanistan too) and I went to protests, made phone calls to senators, signed petitions.
Does this give me a right to want those less aware than me dead? No.
If you think yourself above me & rest of people (American, Iraqis et al) you need a padded cell next to the original poster.

[frankly_fedup2]

47. You got that right . . .

The truth that Bush stole the election . . .that hurts.

The fact that Bush knew about the attacks before hand . . . that really hurts.

That Bush got the Bin Ladens and associates out of this Country before he could spell "traitor", that hurts.

Also, the truth that the Iraqi war is for Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield, and Poppy to pad their pockets a little more . . . that hurts.

Also, the fact that Cheney had to go to China to get the money to cover the debt the Bush Administration caused with their supposed "tax cuts" . . . that not only hurts, my sides hurt from laughing at the stupidity of it all.

The fact that Cheney is the evil doer running this Country . . . that is just plain stupid . . .but another truth that hurts.

The very thought that Bush would be re-Selected, that scares the Hell out of me.

And last but not least, the fact that Bush and his Administration has the whole world looking down their noses at this great country because of THEIR misdeeds . . . that is just plain sickening.

[supercrash]

33. You are 100% right

They did NOTHING

Fuck em

It's time for them to find out what they are supporting

There was a time ...during the largest protests in this planets history...that the war could have been stopped by the American people....the window passed...and we got war

Fuck them all...they want to change their minds about the war NOW...?...They think they can just switch sides and stand next to supercrash...fuck that, they are not like me...they took out country into war

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[DemocratSinceBirth]

38. Bush Gamed The System...

What do you want his opponents to do?


Take to the streets with pitchforks...


We need to defeat him and his ilk at the ballotbox...


That's been the alternative in this country for the past two hundred or so years...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

39. Bush Gamed The System...

What do you want his opponents to do?


Take to the streets with pitchforks...


We need to defeat him and his ilk at the ballotbox...


That's been the alternative in this country for the past two hundred or so years...

[frankly_fedup2]

42. I did not support anything this idiot said nor did; however,

you say, "they did nothing."

Since "they" must include "all" Americans and "all" Americans deserve what they get (per your opinion), I have one small question . . . what do you suggest they do . . . a coup???

[malatesta1137]

49. refusing to pay taxes

is an alternative. A general strike is another. A boycott of oil is yet another. But of course everyone is too lazy and too afraid of the consequences. They'd rather see the torture and genocide continue in Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantanamo.

These lazy 'liberals' think that by simply going to streets to protest and write letters to senators or representatives, Bush will be stopped. I pity them.

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[1monster]

56. "They" did nothing? Gee, that's stranage, 'cause I remember massive

protests (still have pictures of some of them on my hard drive) against the war in Iraq before it happened. I remember other protests and efforts to stop the BFEE from doing many of the things mentioned above, but, since the Republicans, who always stand together, had managed to steal enough Senate and House seats (and I use the word advisedly... they didn't just steal the Presidential election, they stole others too, or have you forgotten Max Cleland, et als) to give Bush and his entourage immunity from all of their wrong doings, no action was ever taken to stop Bush.

It wasn't the citizens of the United States who gave Bush power. It was a sixty year conspiracy on the part of the neocons who have been working to get complete control of the United States and now the world since World War II ended.

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[Junkdrawer]

20. Ralph. is that you? Shouldn't you be working on your campaign? n/t

[the Kelly Gang]

23. please please please..no more Bush, not even for you

[spooked]

24. Supercrash, you're in the military aren't you?

Please tell us more about how you have been put in harm's way...Are you back from Iraq? Tell us more.

People, this may be exactly what 135,000 traumatized soldiers are feeling right now...let's listen.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. I HOPE THE MODS PULL THIS THREAD......

I am sure there were as many lefties as wingnuts in the Twin Towers and the Pentagon and the terrorists didn't discern between the two...


The terrorists appoint themselves as judge, jury, and executioner...


That's just plain wrong.....


Pathetic.....


Peace 04


Brian

[spooked]

29. The rage expressed here must be spoken

for the healing to begin after the horror of the past 4 years.

[robbedvoter]

32. The rage is misdirected - the freeper way. It seems it's bait for freepers

They do post crap like that then quote it as illustration of our mental illness.

[frankly_fedup2]

52. Exactly. The ones that are agreeing with "stupercrash" are not . . .

contributing members. Makes me wonder, especially when they trash America, the American People, the Democrats, etc. I always look to see if they have a star, and 10 times out of 10, they are not contributing members.

It's just little freepers trying to get our panties in a wad. That is how they get their kicks. They do not see the wrong that "THEIR" pResident is spreading all over the world.

Yeah, "THEIR" pResident. I claim no affiliation with that party nor that stupid man.

However, at least here at DU they can post opinions. I got kicked off of Freepers for being honest in my comments when I applied to join. I put that I was a Dem and was wanting some thought-provoking debate. You know what that got me . . . nothing. I never even got to post there once and was labeled a troll by the administrator. Now why would those comments scare their administrator so bad.

They don't want debate. They behave like a pack of wolves. Wolves are cruel animals. Have you ever watched National Geographic? With Wolves there is only one supreme female and one supreme male and they are the only two that have any rights. Yep, Wolves represent Republicans perfectly. Pure cruelty.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

36. A Couple Of Points

The Iraq War was the greatest strategic blunder in the history of the republic but Iraq wasn't some idyllic country that meant no harm to America...


Bush is a major league asshole who has been way too deferential to the Saudis but our relationship with the Saudis is a complex one and we are far too deferential regardless of the administration....


As for OBL and Al Qaeda they need to be destroyed. If they can't be destroyed their capabilities need to be degraded...

As for the terrorists we should try to redress those grievances that can be redressed while removing their ability to harm us...

Michael Moore made a great film... He exposed Bush for the clown he is and his cabal as the mendacious actors they are but I'm not convinced that terrorism isn't real or that we don't need a plan to confront it...

The sign of a great intellect is to hold two mutually exclusive positions in one's mind and believe both to be true....

I believe Bush is right to confront the terrorists but I am convinced he is clueless how to....

[frankly_fedup2]

28. Your comments seem to me that you feel the people . . .

of the United States are all evil and deserved 9/11. Yes, we have as much evil as any other country. If you are an American (which you speak as if you are), then you should know that our Government, elected by the majority, (or put in office by the Supreme Court like Bush) is not perfect. However, I would not live in another Country in this World. Even with all our imperfections, we give all we can to those in need. When 9/11 happened, not one country on this earth came to our aid. No I'm wrong. One country did. I think it was the Danish who, weeks after 9/11, came to help out our Air Force in protecting our borders. They are the only Country that have done anything for the U.S.

The Iraqi war is the first time our Government took it upon themselves to take over a country, decide it will be a democracy, and destroy it in the process. It is a horrible thing that we have done. Of course, our Government made the decision, even though the People strongly voiced their protest and still do. But what do we do now? Do we just leave the Iraqi people now? We've screwed up their Country, there are terrorist attacks there everyday and it is NOT the IRAQI people doing this. These terrorists are killing the Iraqi people as well as our troops. At least when Saddam was in power, these people saw no terrorist attacks and lived their lives as normal as possible I suppose.

I know Saddam is an evil dictator; however, it should have been the Iraqi people to rise up against him. Then, if they asked for the U.S's help, we go in and help. That has been the way our Country has done throughout history . . . until now.

Even with all the wrongs this country's Government may have done with it's policies against other countries, I do not feel the American Citizens deserve to get whatever the terrorist want to give us. You must hate this Country to make such a statement. I dislike Bush and his stupid arrogance and attitude and lack of humanity; but this is still the greatest Country on this planet. Not because of our Government . . .because of our citizens. Americans are the most-giving people, and the first ones to help anyone on this planet, and everyone in the world knows it. So you feel the American "People" deserve another horror worse than 9/11? No one deserves anything like that to happen to innocent people, and for someone to say they do, they have a warped take on reality.

Also, if this Country is so horrible, and the whole world hates us so much, then why do so many people want to get into this country every year and become citizens? Anyone wanting to come to the U.S. only gets to under a lottery drawing (that is, if they want to do more than work here temporarily or study here). That means there are still people who want to come here, be part of American, but are rejected every year. I really don't know of any other country in this World that still holds a dream to those in third-World Countries, that even THEY can make something of themselves in America. Do You?

Also, if you are a freeper trying to incite insults, etc., well I'm sure some will give you some good ones, but at least you got to post on Democratic Underground. I wanted to register, I was honest in my registration for the Free Republic. I stated I wanted to have respectful debate, etc. I was blocked before I was even allowed to post anything and told I was a TROLL. What are the Republicans so afraid of? Having to think about what they say? They sure as hell were scared of me for some reason. Pitiful!

[classof56]

31. Here's my thoughts:

I can honestly understand your feelings and reactions. I was opposed to the war from the very start, and it's turned out a thousand times worse (at least) than even I anticipated. I stood on street corners protesting, I spoke my mind, I argued with people, I e-mailed my elected representatives. I watched helplessly as RW TV types spread the lies, talked it up, said it would "be over in a week" (Bill O'Reilly assured us of that). Mr. Bush's War was a moving train that would not be stopped. It is with great sadness and rage that I have watched it all unfold in such a horrible way. It appears it will be a neverending story, and I cringe at the thought of my grandchildren, growing up too fast to suit me, face the day when they will be sent off to fight and possibly die for NO GOOD REASON.

Maybe America does, as you say, SO deserve what is coming, but those of us who first of all, did NOT vote for Bush (so many that as we know he was not legitimately elected), those of us who strongly objected to this war, those of us who are committed to extricating our country from this ugly mess--we do NOT deserve what is now coming down the track toward us if Bush IS elected, and we MUST continue our efforts to make sure that doesn't happen.

As for the next (inevitable, Bushco will make sure) attack, I will indeed shed tears, not just for the people who will suffer and die because of us, but for all of us. For our doom will be sealed forever.

Tired Old Cynic

[Sporadicus]

34. This is the Most Misanthropic Posting I've Encountered at DU

It's worthy of freeperville - as in calling for the annihilation of every Muslim on earth. You've given yourself over to hopelessness and apathy, which makes you no better than those you slam for supporting the war. Posting at DU should imply at least a spark of willingness to change the world for the better, but you've lost the last speck of humanity in your soul. I fail to understand why you feel the need to post here any longer, since you harbor so much hatred.

[KittyWampus]

44. So You'd Want A Woman To Be Beaten Nearly To Death By An Abusive Husband

so that she'd finally wake up and get the hell out?

You'd want an alchoholic to wreck their entire family so they'd finally hit bottom and work towards sobriety?

Yes, people most often have to feel great pain before they learn to pay attention and begin taking responsiblity for their own Life and the consequences of their own actions.

BUT- why the hell would you actually WANT people to suffer.

That is unbalanced.

Why not want people to raise their awareness, acknowledge that many won't and realize that people act according to their evolutionary level.

I am 100% sure there are areas in your life where you are in denial and not wholly aware.

We're ALL on the road to Enlightment.

[Nlighten1]

46. Welcome to DU Supercrash.

I know it is kind of belated but...

Well, you are certainly going to get flamed for this one. And while I do agree with some of what you said it is posts like this that give the anti-DU'ers fuel to call us America haters.

It is ironic too because they are destroying America yet when comments like this come out they use it as fuel for the fire.

[robbedvoter]

51. yeah, wewere running short of humanity haters and terrorism dreamers

Welcome! Spread your death wishes like puss from an infected brain - we have to be polite here. :argh:

[bitchkitty]

54. :)

((((robbed voter)))))) - you're one of the reasons I like DU!

[truth2power]

55. My thoughts..

Long before 911 I told family and others that the US had a boatload of karma coming down the pike. This based on our meddling around the world at least since the end of WWII. Death squads, torture, Iran/Contra, overthrowing democratically elected governments for our own greed etc. Then came 911.

I didn't wish for it. I didn't rejoice in it. But I think that if you believe the universe tends toward balance, then we are bound to reap what we have sown, over the long term. This isn't a wish or desire. It's just the way things are.

Likewise, what we have perpetrated in Iraq is going to come back and bite us, as a nation, never fear. If I had the power to make things right I would certainly do so. But I'm living under a government where my small voice is like a scream in the middle of a vast, empty ocean. I do what I can, but my power to influence events is minimal at best.

Implicit in Supercrash's post is the belief that he/she will survive the next attack. "I WILL NOT shed a tear after the next attack." It's entirely possible that he or she will not be around (to shed a tear or not), when karma comes calling. Unfortunately, those who continue to support this criminal administration are going to bring down the house on ALL our heads. This is the tragedy.

I'd like to ask this question, though, of those here who think we shouldn't be too hard on those who are still living in ignorance. At what point do people have to be accountable for their ignorance or stupidity? (take your pick)

Is it ok to just latch on to any petty tyrant, colluding in the destruction of your country while feeding your own greed? And then is it ok to acquit yourself of any responsibility by just saying, "Oops, my bad! I was duped." How many times are people permitted to be willfully ignorant before someone says, "Enough already!"

Doesn't the example of the "good German" count for anything? How many "good Germans" do there have to be before someone says, "You should have learned by now."

[Moderator]

57. Locking......

This is flamebait. I would also like to
remind everyone that we do have personal
attack rules. Here is the link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules.html#civility


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