Limbaugh rambling about "Moore's lies" right now.

[IranianDemocrat]

Saying moore lied in his movie when he said Bush went to war in Afghanistan for the pipline deal, says the deal was cut by unical in 1999.

Did moore even say that was the reason Bush started the war???

[Kahuna]

1. Stupido. What good is a cut deal if you can't go in to Afghanistan..

to build it?

[DenverDem]

2. Of course not.

He did show that the pipeline deal resulted from the "war" and that the installed rulers were Unocal "consultants".

[K8-EEE]

3. Guess He Can't Find Any Inaccuracies, Has To Make Them UP!

GWB & cronies were smooching up the Taliban regime pre-9/11 & pre war to make their evil pipeline deal.

Footage of Taliban creeps in Texas...being confronted by a (presumably LIBERAL) woman who pulls out a burka and accuses them of prisoning women in Afghanistan. Taliban dude goes "your husband must have a difficult time with you." These are the people that the Bush Cartel have no problem dealing with, everyone on our side knew what they were about.

Appointed Unocal guys in Afghanistan...doesn't make the claim Rush is raving about.

They tell people not to see the film because if they saw it they might know it was true....this way they can make up "inaccuracies" and rant about them. Freepers have GOT to be the most gullible people on earth.

[jobycom]

9. Cut him some slack. The Oxycontin ruined his hearing and his reasoning

He couldn't hear what Moore said, and doesn't have the brain power to follow it,anyway.

[gatorboy]

4. I just turned the blowhard off..

He was going on about how outraged liberals would be if Bush had jumped up from his Pet Goat studies and paniced a nation. Doesn't this idiot know he wasn't on a live feed when that was being taped. Yawn. It was such a nice week when he was off...

[Skittles]

38. the nation was already in a state of panic

his job was to respond to that!

[jobycom]

5. That's like the pot calling the snowflake black. nt.

[GreenPartyVoter]

6. *lol* Well, in this day and age of acid snow.....

[K8-EEE]

7. Send This Asshole The SCRIPT And Have Him SHOW...

where it says any such thing!! That movie was 2 hours and 10 minutes of information, much of it very detailed, and this is all he can come up with -- ranting about an assertion that was never made in the movie?

HE and FoxNews and Hannity are the ones that are professional misleaders, that's why people who watch FoxNews thought even going into the war that the hijackers were IRAQI....they rant to fools who believe any drivel they put out.

[bushiehater]

8. Turn Him Off

He is a blowhard who has no idea what he is talking about. Did he actually see the movie? Probably not. Don't give him the ratings.

[K8-EEE]

10. Freeper Crisis Management: Either Stare Into Space Or....

RUN AND SCREAM AND SCARE THE CHILDREN.

Those are the ONLY two options. There is no other way of excusing yourself from a photo-op when the nation is under attack.

You can't do anything like excuse yourself calmly and go deal with it. That's just "Monday morning quarterback!"

Excuse me but since Shrub has the nerve to crow and carry on like HE was the savior of 9/11 everyone should know: what they hell did he DO that was so wonderful? It's the American people who were heroes in 9/11, not Bush -- he's the one who left us open for attack.

[IranianDemocrat]

11. Now he's saying that droves of people didn't go to see the movie!

He said they're just portraying it that way!

What a loser! It's kind of funny to here republicans call michael moore fat when their hero rush limbaugh is bigger than 10 michael moores.

[K8-EEE]

14. Well To Be Fair....

Limbaugh DID lose weight, and his wife and what was left of his mind, using the questionable Heroin Addict method...

[StaggerLee]

16. 4.25 Sunday showing here in Lansing MI

Nearly sold out.

For a documentary.

Sounds like a drove to me.

[Jacobin]

21. Hey! He's right!!

99% of the population hasn't seen it yet!!

Dimbulb got something right for once!!

[frylock]

23. he's right. all those numbers you heard over the weekend are a lie..

for example, here is a shot of the opening at the Bagdhad Gigaplex. Hardly a sell-out.

[underpants]

34. That is the cleverest post I have seen in a while

It works on so many levels. Well Done.

[asthmaticeog]

25. Droves of people

don't go to EVERY movie. How many people saw Titanic? What's that number expressed as a percentage of the population?

When a documentary about politics opens better than a Wayans Brothers comedy - and that with like 1/4 or 1/6 of the theaters - that's damn impressive (admittedly, this particular Wayans flick looks like a mega-turd, but they still have a mighty impressive box office record). The theater I saw it at (twice) had every show sold out or almost sold out all weekend, and that was only one of several screens in my area that had it. Also extremely impressive. The attempt at spin here - in contradiction to every single box-office tracker showing that A) it opened as the #1 film in the country, and B) it set the record as the most popular documentary in history in only three days in release - is impossibly pathetic. Number one is number one, period.

[kcwayne]

28. Only 2.6 million people saw it this weekend

Its simple math Rush. 21.1 million in revenue divided by an average ticket price of $8.00 = 2.6 million people. Thats about 4% of the voters in the US. In three days. Read em and weep you narcotic laced douchebag.

[Blue Gardener]

35. Matinee Tickets Only $5 Here

Might be able to add some to those numbers, the matinees here in Iowa were all sold out as well.

[kayell]

31. That must be why theatres are scrambling, trying to add F911 to

their schedules. Because we know that theatres just love to keep their screens busy with documentaries that no one is actually interested in during the summer. :eyes:

[mctrotter5]

36. He also said that more people listen to him in one day than

went to see F9/11 this weekend. Narsisistic or what!

[Kadie]

46. Droves of people don't believe a word Rush says.

[IranianDemocrat]

12. Now he's saying MM is profiting off the misery of others.

.

[GreenPartyVoter]

13. I know someone has been profiting off of people's misery, but it ain't MM.

[Timefortruth]

44. Isn't that what Rush does?

Those right wing nuts project quite a bit don't they? Rush thinks everyone is in it for the same reason as him, to cash in on peoples ignorance and fear.

It is news to Rush that there are those who are in it for the truth.

[Renew Deal]

15. Moore never said that.

He mentioned the war in Afghanistan and Unical seperatly. One of the perks of winning the war was the pipeline deal.

[Cpt Spaulding]

17. why does anyone listen to that crap?

Why give him ratings?

[elfwitch]

18. That is my question exactly...

If everyone knows he is a lair and a dickhead, why listen to him? I don't go sit in on Southern Baptist sermons for the same reason. I can be pretty sure that they are going to say something that will piss me off. Why subject yourself to that kind of agitation?

[newyawker99]

29. Cpt Spaulding!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[kymar57]

43. Welcome Cap

I try to listen often but I would never admit to it in any survey(arbriton or whatever) that establishes ratings. I just don't think it's a bad idea to know what I'm up against.:shrug:

[ElsewheresDaughter]

19. if they are "lies" WHY isn't bush cheney and rummy sueing Moore????

just ask that and the repukes shut right the fuck up....they know it's the truth

[StaggerLee]

22. Exactly!

Of course they never met a truth that they didn't try to spin.

[txprog]

20. Very complicated issue here

Sure there were discussions in the 90's about the proposed pipe line. Doesn't the film talk about the Taliban coming to the US in the 90's and Unocal's involvement then? It clearly makes the point that the Taliban rep came in 2001 after the Cole and embassy bombings, when we knew that terrorists were in Afghanistan. Larger point, we entertained a known harborer of terrorists when it met the economic interests of certain corporate interests to do so.

Indeed, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and others agreed to re-start the pipe line project after the Taliban was sacked, but from what I've read Unocal is no longer involved.

Again, the larger point is ignored for nitpicking the specifics of a very complicated matter. The larger point is, of course, that we may have had other motives in Afghanistan than just seeking revenge on and removing the Taliban. This is just a matter of opinion and the film does not attempt to present it as fact.

Moore has his stuff together on this, and no matter how hard they try, when it comes to this kind of stuff, it's just one opinion versus another. Moore has lots of facts to fuel the opinions he presents in the film. Where are Limbaugh's facts?

[JohnyCanuck]

33. BBC reported US was set to invade Afghanistan before 9/11 incident

US 'planned attack on Taleban'

By the BBC's George Arney

A former Pakistani diplomat has told the BBC that the US was planning military action against Osama Bin Laden and the Taleban even before last week's attacks.

Niaz Naik, a former Pakistani Foreign Secretary, was told by senior American officials in mid-July that military action against Afghanistan would go ahead by the middle of October.


<snip>

Mr Naik told the BBC that at the meeting the US representatives told him that unless Bin Laden was handed over swiftly America would take military action to kill or capture both Bin Laden and the Taleban leader, Mullah Omar.

The wider objective, according to Mr Naik, would be to topple the Taleban regime and install a transitional government of moderate Afghans in its place - possibly under the leadership of the former Afghan King Zahir Shah.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1550366.stm

[leftofthedial]

24. if the deal was cut in 1999

that's even WORSE.

Besides, the deal was NOT done until after Karzai was installed, I believe sometime in 2002.

Prior to invasion, the Taliban wouldn't do the deal. Hence the "carpet of gold; carpet of bombs" quote.

[Trajan]

26. The pipeline deal was OFF in 1998, when Clinton bombed the Al Qaeda camps

UNOCAL fretted because the deal fell apart when Clinton rained cruise missiles in an attempt to knock off OBL ...

It was only RE-introduced when Bush took office ....

Rush, as usual, is wrong ...

[Wind Dancer]

27. How can you stand to listen to him?

You know he lies nonstop, promotes hatred and is bought & paid for by the BFEE. What the hell do you think he is going to say about F911?

[funkybutt]

30. Limbaugh's gonna need a bunch of Oxycontin to manuver this one

not one credible news source has yet to debunk the facts of F-911...and I KNOW they would have if they could

[JohnyCanuck]

32. Unocal said No Afghan pipeline until we have a cooperative government.

Mr. Chairman, the Caspian region contains tremendous untapped hydrocarbon reserves. Just to give an idea of the scale, proven natural gas reserves equal more than 236 trillion cubic feet. The region's total oil reserves may well reach more than 60 billion barrels of oil. Some estimates are as high as 200 billion barrels. In 1995, the region was producing only 870,000 barrels per day. By 2010, western companies could increase production to about 4.5 million barrels a day, an increase of more than 500 percent in only 15 years. If this occurs, the region would represent about 5 percent of the world's total oil production.

One major problem has yet to be resolved: how to get the region's vast energy resources to the markets where they are needed. Central Asia is isolated. Their natural resources are landlocked, both geographically and politically. Each of the countries in the Caucasus and Central Asia faces difficult political challenges. Some have unsettled wars or latent conflicts. Others have evolving systems where the laws and even the courts are dynamic and changing. In addition, a chief technical obstacle which we in the industry face in transporting oil is the region's existing pipeline infrastructure.

<snip>

The second option is to build a pipeline south from Central Asia to the Indian Ocean. One obvious route south would cross Iran, but this is foreclosed for American companies because of U.S. sanctions legislation. The only other possible route is across Afghanistan, which has of course its own unique challenges. The country has been involved in bitter warfare for almost two decades, and is still divided by civil war. From the outset, we have made it clear that construction of the pipeline we have proposed across Afghanistan could not begin until a recognized government is in place that has the confidence of governments, lenders, and our company." (Emphasis mine /jc)

Above quote by John Maresca VP of International Relations Unocal in an address to the Committee on International Relations, US Congress Feb 1998. Quote taken from the Congressional Record

http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/intlrel/hfa48119.000/hfa48119_0.HTM

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

37. How can you listen to him

without wanting to peel all your toenails off slowly, pour hydrochloric acid on the nailbeds, shove hot pokers in your eyeballs, saw off your genitals with a dull butter knife, all while screaming "MAKE IT STOP!!!"

Seriously, how can you listen to him without wanting to do that?

[proud patriot]

39. So does this mean limbaugh saw the movie ?

[LTR]

40. I just came back from seeing it

And, in true GD fashion, may post my own vanity thread review later. :evilgrin"

As for the whole Afghanistan thing:

- Representatives from the Taliban visited Houston, TX in the late '90's to visit with Unocal 76.

- They are rude bastards who treated the women there appallingly bad.

- Karzai was a consultant for Unocal.

- The pipeline has been planned for a long time.

- No talk of action against the Taliban prior to 9/11, even though they were known to be harboring OBL, who was a suspect in the USS Cole bombing a few months prior.

Do the math, Rush.

But I'm sure he already knows.

[F.Gordon]

41. Unocal statement from 1999

Unocal reiterates position on withdrawal from trans-Afghanistan pipeline project

El Segundo, Calif., Feb. 16, 1999 - Unocal Corporation today reiterated that it no longer has any role in developing or funding the proposed CentGas pipeline project across Afghanistan. The company stated that it is not considering rejoining the CentGas consortium, nor has the company had any discussions with persons or entities anywhere about re-entering the project since Unocal formally withdrew from CentGas in December 1998 (See Unocal statement, Dec. 10, 1998).

Unocal issued this statement after an erroneous press report from Islamabad, Pakistan, quoted Pakistani officials who indicated that Unocal was showing an interest in rejoining the consortium

http://www.unocal.com/uclnews/99news/021699.htm

Also see post #32 in this thread.

The real truth is probably in the Cheney Energy Task Force docs, but until we see those.....Who knows what Unocal was doing. Halliburton continued doing business in Iran AFTER the sanctions (kinda like a "fuck you Clinton") were put in place.

[heidiho]

42. Says The Movie is a "non-event" and ranks behind Legally Blonde 2

in all-time movie openings. He tried to say that it was only playing in 200 plus theaters this weekend - that most theaters didn't want it.

Then he said that since the Carlyle Group owns Loews Theaters, Michael Moore works for the Carlyle Group now.

He is sooo "Cheneying" desperate to trash this movie but he won't succeed.

[mitchum]

45. Call me a bastard, but I'll be so glad when Limbaugh relapses, overdoses..

and dies. I truly hate that blathering piece of shit.