Is Michael Moore the new Jane Fonda?

[Fescue4u]

I suspect that will be hearing hatred of Moore long into his old age.

Michael, Like Fonda just did the right thing and people hate them for it.

[seabeyond]

1. i am not real clear on janes participation

but i am thinking some of the anger to fonda is justified, though i dont have issues. she was young and empassioned and made a mistake. adn has apologized,

but if i remember correctly she went to n vietnam, and saw american prisoners and one handed her a not and she gave it to the enemy adn the soldier at the least got pretty beat up????????????

what is the story

[Fescue4u]

2. I don't think that portion is true.

Im thinking that portion turned out to be a false rumor.

My point was more directed on Fondas opposition to the Vietnam war in general.

[ContinentalOp]

8. Not true according to snopes...

http://www.snopes.com/military/fonda.asp

Read down past the part on the green background. Here's a snippet:

"The most serious accusations in the piece quoted above -- that Fonda turned over slips of paper furtively given her by American POWS to the North Vietnamese and that several POWs were beaten to death as a result -- are proveably untrue. Those named in the inflammatory e-mail categorically deny the events they supposedly were part of. "

[seabeyond]

12. wow, isnt that a bitch and just damn dirty

that they would say something like that. a wow. like i said, i didnt know the story, just remember a tad here and there, but this is out there. i wonder how many believe it. another wow, and certainly a thank you for the truth on this. wow

[seabeyond]

14. i wouldnt say unpardonable...........but

Whether the war was right or wrong, those who risked (and gave) their lives fighting it deserve respect, and for Fonda to brand men who were held captive and tortured as "liars" and "hypocrites" (despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary) in order to defend her political views was and is unpardonable.

[Cheswick2.0]

22. prove she said that POWs were liars and hypocrits

I think you are spreading a lot of rumors and nonsense.

[ContinentalOp]

17. I had never heard that before so I had to look it up when you mentioned it

And Snopes was the first thing that came up when I searched for Jane Fonda prisoner paper. I'm glad to find out that it's not true. What she really did was dumb enough but at least she's not directly responsible for getting anyone killed as that urban legend alleges.

[LTR]

3. I thought it was Streisand

Or Sean Penn.

Or Susan Sarandon.

Or __(name here)__.

Probably because Ed Asner and Mike Farrell are pretty low key these days.

[tridim]

4. Only the wrong people hate him

Everyone else considers him an American hero.

[Fescue4u]

6. well of course

Im not trying to slam the dude.

Nor Fonda for that matter.

[Delano]

5. No. Moore never manned an enemy gun battery.

or espoused the "enemy's" side.

Sure he said that they were like the revolutionary war era Americans. But they are, in that they are trying to throw off a totally illegitimate occcupation. The South Vietnamese government at least had a modicum of legitimacy, if no popular support.

Fonda made several terrible faux pas in the way she behaved, and if anything, she set back the anti-war movement. I think Moore's work is a net plus, big-time. The right wing may try to spin his comments into something anti-American, but anyone who wants to hear them in context can see that they are NOT.

No matter how you look at it, Fonda's behavior was borderline traitorous.

[Columbia]

18. Well...

"The Iraqis who have risen up against the occupation are not "insurgents" or "terrorists" or "The Enemy." They are the REVOLUTION, the Minutemen, and their numbers will grow -- and they will win."

"I'm sorry, but the majority of Americans supported this war once it began and, sadly, that majority must now sacrifice their children until enough blood has been let that maybe -- just maybe -- God and the Iraqi people will forgive us in the end."

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?messageDate=2004-04-14

[Cheswick2.0]

24. what's your point?

Do you have the guts to state one?

[Delano]

25. I don't have a problem with these quotes.

The people fighting us have at least as much legitimacy as the puppet government we installed. They are in most cases fighting for what they see as their sovereignty, and until free and fair elections are held (and as long as the criminal Chalabi is in the ruling council) the new government has a real legitimacy problem. If some "bennevolent" foreign power came and imposed a "better" government on us because of what a thug Bush is, you can bet a lot of Americcans would fight it in the streets. Moore is describing the way these people no doubt see themselves. How can they be terrorists when they are fighting an illegal foreign occupation?

As for the second quote, that is just a statement of obvious fact, not a wish for more blood. I fully believe that Moore is more concerned with the well-being of our troops than the "president" who sent them there.

[gauguin57]

Not sure, but ....

... I don't think I'll be buying the "Michael Moore Workout Tape" anytime soon.

(I do worry about the guy ... I want him healthy for his family and to fight the future cinematic battles against the Repugs!)

[Pachamama]

10. I'd buy the Michael Moore Workout tape..

Hey, if Michael had a workout tape and had lost 100 pounds, it would become a number one seller and even fat repukes would love him again....

In all seriousness, I think there is no comparison to Jane Fonda's actions that got her the name Hanoi Jane and I think that Michael Moore will go down in history as a true patriot and someone who just possibly played a pivotal role in helping save our country, while exposing the fascist corporations and administration running this country into the ground and the exposing the complicity of the news media.

[ArkDem]

21. Well stated

[Jeff in Cincinnati]

27. Mike Moore in leotard

Now there's mental image I could have done without...

[Cheswick2.0]

23. who are you Ralph Nader?

Why is Michael Moores weight any of your business?

[jeff30997]

7. Next thing you know...

They will call him Baghdad Mike and blame every problems overthere on him!:grr:

[JohnnyRingo]

9. As I recall, the attack on J .Fonda was much worse

Back then 50% of the populace didn't dare stand up for her.
Incredibly, the country wasn't this divided back then.

[FlemingsGhost]

11. No, he is the new "Woodward and Bernstein."

His film is political history.

[asthmaticeog]

13. If he IS the new Jane Fonda...

I can't WAIT for the workout videos.

On edit: Motherfuck, Pachamama beat me to the joke...

[gauguin57]

15. hey! what about me?

Actually, I'm surprised EVERYONE didn't jump on the joke. When I read the title of the post, only one thing came to mind. And it wasn't Jane sitting on a V.C. gun.

[asthmaticeog]

19. Oops.

Sorry, I didn't mean to miscredit the gag. This is what I get for just skimming instead of reading before I post.

[leftistagitator]

16. Ya know

Jane Fonda kinda crossed the line from protesting an unjust war to cheerleading for the other side. She said soldiers weren't being tortured, and called those who had been liars. She took a photo of herself manning a Vietnamese anti-air craft gun, which became propaganda for the Viet Kong. What she did was wrong and she now apologizes for it, we shouldn't gloss it over just because the right hates her.

[Bandit]

26. Would you say propaganda was instramental in ending the war?

If so then did she do our children a service or disservice by helping to end the war quicker than maybe it would have otherwise. It was an unjust war that was based upon lies and she helped to end it in her own way. The Only way she could do so. She IMHO was wrong in her actions but right in her intentions and results.

[theboss]

20. I just pray we never see him in a leotard

That is all.

[opihimoimoi]

28. Mike Moore is now an ICON, well above and beyond Jane Fonda

His life is dedicated to the little guys of America by exposing the Lies, the Legal thievery, and the Pubs for what they are

[info being]

I'd love to be hated like him

When the corporate media and its ignorant little followers hate you, it is truly one of the best compliments.

[JHB]

29. Barbara Streisand is "the new Jane Fonda"

They spend an inordiante amout of time thinking about her, just so they can be mad at someone.

I'm not even sure what she's done to draw such a hate-fest from the wingers. Anything?