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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 08:33 AM Original message |
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RememberJohn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 08:35 AM Response to Original message |
1. In my opinion, extremely... |
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StopTheMorans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 09:35 AM Response to Reply #1 |
9. I agree |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 10:04 AM Response to Reply #9 |
20. Organized religion doesn't always dictate and define |
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SharonAnn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 01:13 PM Response to Reply #9 |
115. My aunt says that religion is supposed to be like underwear |
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arwalden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 01:15 PM Response to Reply #115 |
119. Well... I Wish Falwell Would Stop Shoving His Dirty Underwear In My Face!! |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 01:34 PM Response to Reply #115 |
135. Open and communal |
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Upfront (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 08:41 AM Response to Original message |
2. Religion=War |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 10:12 AM Response to Reply #2 |
21. We don't fight wars over... |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 11:29 AM Response to Reply #21 |
28. so then you readily admit that religion is part of the problem |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 12:06 PM Response to Reply #28 |
52. Blind dogmatic adherence to a belief system is always a problem... |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 11:40 AM Response to Reply #21 |
34. The reason religion is so often found at the heart of conflict |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 11:50 AM Response to Reply #34 |
38. and don't forget American capitalism |
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realFedUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 08:53 AM Response to Original message |
3. I'm an Episcopalian |
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FlashHarry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 11:36 AM Response to Reply #3 |
33. Me Too. |
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CWebster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 01:22 PM Response to Reply #33 |
125. Sure not the ones |
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TrogL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 01:37 PM Response to Reply #125 |
141. That wasn't the only problem |
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CWebster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 02:26 PM Response to Reply #141 |
178. Shhh |
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shimmergal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 09:00 AM Response to Original message |
4. "Mythology is an attempt to explain the inexplicable." |
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mopaul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 09:03 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. alert! alert! you called someone's beliefs mythology |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 09:20 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Pay attention, mopaul |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 11:32 AM Response to Reply #7 |
30. wait a minute |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 11:52 AM Response to Reply #30 |
39. You are wrong |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 12:00 PM Response to Reply #39 |
47. connect the dots |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 12:10 PM Original message |
I disagree |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 12:41 PM Response to Original message |
83. cut through the nitpicking |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 12:46 PM Response to Reply #83 |
88. You are the one forcing Christians into literalism... |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 12:51 PM Response to Reply #88 |
97. ad hominem is a poor tactic |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 12:54 PM Response to Reply #97 |
98. It's not true. |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 01:06 PM Response to Reply #98 |
107. it is not true that you either believe something or you don't |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 12:56 PM Response to Reply #97 |
101. Here is what's wrong... |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 01:07 PM Response to Reply #101 |
108. with respect to your religion |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 01:11 PM Response to Reply #108 |
112. That God exists |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 01:36 PM Response to Reply #112 |
138. so you DON'T believe that God exists |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 01:37 PM Response to Reply #138 |
140. I don't, and I do. |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 01:39 PM Response to Reply #140 |
144. It's cool that you're not a Christian |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 01:43 PM Response to Reply #144 |
151. Human |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 01:51 PM Response to Reply #151 |
156. Wow! We have a lot in common |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 01:54 PM Response to Reply #156 |
158. Yes, we do |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 01:16 PM Response to Reply #108 |
121. That Jesus ascended from the dead |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 01:38 PM Response to Reply #121 |
143. So you DON'T believe that Jesus ascended from the dead |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 01:41 PM Response to Reply #143 |
147. I have evidence for both |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 02:07 PM Response to Reply #147 |
170. good luck to you on attaining (or at least seeking) |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 12:55 PM Response to Reply #88 |
99. Falwell has been a regular speaker at Southern Baptist Conventions. |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 01:09 PM Response to Reply #99 |
109. Missouri Synod Lutherans are also literalists |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 01:17 PM Response to Reply #109 |
124. For most literalists....... |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 12:49 PM Response to Reply #83 |
92. You're nitpicking |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 01:17 PM Response to Reply #92 |
123. I really am trying to understand what you believe |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 01:33 PM Response to Reply #123 |
134. Trying to put in a nutshell what I believe... |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 01:37 PM Response to Reply #134 |
139. That's a pretty good nutshell |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 01:42 PM Response to Reply #139 |
150. with all due respect |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 01:44 PM Response to Reply #150 |
152. Who said anything about "need" |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 01:54 PM Response to Reply #152 |
160. I'm trying to understand why you are a Christian |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 01:56 PM Response to Reply #160 |
162. I'm not a Christian |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 01:54 PM Response to Reply #150 |
159. Why throw it out? |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 01:35 PM Response to Reply #123 |
137. I understand, but you should try to understand |
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Clete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 11:33 AM Response to Reply #7 |
31. I have to disagree with you. |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 11:54 AM Response to Reply #31 |
41. I'm not convinced |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 12:25 PM Response to Reply #7 |
68. Westerners, and Americans in particular, fail to grasp "myth." |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 12:29 PM Response to Reply #68 |
72. Well put, dbaker |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 12:33 PM Response to Reply #68 |
76. who gets to decide which words mean what they say |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 12:38 PM Response to Reply #76 |
81. Duh! You use the brain God gave you |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 12:43 PM Response to Reply #81 |
85. you still didn't answer the question |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 12:55 PM Response to Reply #85 |
100. Yes he did |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 12:38 PM Response to Reply #76 |
82. Each individual does it for themselves. |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 12:45 PM Response to Reply #82 |
87. you just undefined the word "religion" |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 12:50 PM Response to Reply #87 |
95. No , I didn't |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 01:00 PM Response to Reply #87 |
103. Because humans like to work in groups |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 01:01 PM Response to Reply #87 |
104. Community, for one |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 12:47 PM Response to Reply #76 |
91. Words are only language |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 01:22 PM Response to Reply #68 |
127. FWIW, I never equated "myth" and "false" |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 01:38 PM Response to Reply #127 |
142. Do you believe in the scientific method for understanding? |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 11:56 AM Response to Reply #4 |
43. question for you shimmergal |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 12:00 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. That's only half the story |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 12:03 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. in the wars in question |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 12:11 PM Response to Reply #49 |
58. You missed the point |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 12:23 PM Response to Reply #58 |
66. with due respect, I think YOU missed the point |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 12:28 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. Not a good thing |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 12:31 PM Response to Reply #69 |
74. not a bad thing |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 12:42 PM Response to Reply #74 |
84. Proof? No. Evidence? Yes!! |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 12:29 PM Response to Reply #66 |
73. Invisible Cloud Being and Sky God are offensive terms |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 12:38 PM Response to Reply #73 |
80. Paul Tillich was a wise man indeed... |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 01:49 PM Response to Reply #73 |
154. I've been trying to post this apology for thirty minutes, |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 02:15 PM Response to Reply #154 |
174. Here's where you erred |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 12:36 PM Response to Reply #66 |
78. I don't worship invisible cloud beings either... |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 02:00 PM Response to Reply #78 |
164. WADR, you are very close to defining yourself as a nonChristian |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 02:11 PM Response to Reply #164 |
172. Not true |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 02:12 PM Response to Reply #164 |
173. I'm not threatened by either atheism or rationalism |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 12:16 PM Response to Reply #49 |
63. Although Gandhi and MLK, Jr. are among the benefits... |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 12:09 PM Response to Reply #43 |
54. And if we eliminated the science that created |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 12:14 PM Response to Reply #54 |
62. Knowledge accumulates |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 12:33 PM Response to Reply #62 |
75. Stanley Milgram was not controlled by corporate interests... |
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Squeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 09:03 AM Response to Original message |
6. The language of the Bible is the language of feudalism |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 11:40 AM Response to Reply #6 |
35. feudalist as all get out |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 11:55 AM Response to Reply #35 |
42. Which is ironic as we have new feudal lords |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 09:30 AM Response to Original message |
8. From my church's statement of purpose... |
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Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 10:16 AM Response to Reply #8 |
23. Sounds like a good organization. ~ I appreciate faiths such as yours |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 11:52 AM Response to Reply #8 |
40. I have no idea what all that means |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 12:11 PM Response to Reply #40 |
56. The undefinable nature of God |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 12:28 PM Response to Reply #56 |
70. don't take this wrong, but |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 12:43 PM Response to Reply #70 |
86. Let me spell this out... |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 01:35 PM Response to Reply #86 |
136. cheers to your inclusive and positive community |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 01:49 PM Response to Reply #136 |
153. Some good questions here... |
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WhoCountsTheVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 09:38 AM Response to Original message |
10. Only fundies and athiests interpret 2000 year old stories literally |
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StopTheMorans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 09:40 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. if you don't interpret stories in "sacred texts" literally |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 09:48 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Yes...and the point is?? |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 09:51 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. I think the point is |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 09:48 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. You got it, and the irony is |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 09:54 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Thanks...and perfect reasoning |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 11:30 AM Response to Reply #11 |
29. yet those... |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 12:34 PM Response to Reply #11 |
77. No, that is FAR from correct |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 12:36 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. I used to think my brain was my favorite organ |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 12:51 PM Response to Reply #79 |
96. Interesting that introspection was once considered |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 10:04 AM Response to Reply #10 |
19. Technically |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 12:05 PM Response to Reply #10 |
51. so 2000 year old texts mean whatever you want them to mean? |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 12:13 PM Response to Reply #51 |
60. No, not quite |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 12:18 PM Response to Reply #51 |
65. I don't know for sure... |
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WhoCountsTheVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 01:42 PM Response to Reply #51 |
149. just as I said, only fundies and athiests do |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 09:52 AM Response to Original message |
15. Discussion |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 10:01 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Interesting point... |
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arwalden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 11:33 AM Response to Reply #15 |
32. You Know... I Really Missed You When You Were Away. |
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Doctor Pedantic (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 10:02 AM Response to Original message |
18. It Doesn't Matter |
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opihimoimoi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 10:13 AM Response to Reply #18 |
22. The sheep are the SERFs |
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BoogieBear (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 10:44 AM Response to Original message |
24. Organized religion has been replaced by Patriotism |
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monkeyboy (965 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 10:59 AM Response to Original message |
25. You may as well be asking... |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
26. I don't understand how you insensitive louts |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 11:28 AM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Hey! |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 12:08 PM Response to Reply #27 |
53. Dennis all the way! |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 11:58 AM Response to Reply #26 |
44. I don't understand the need |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 12:47 PM Response to Reply #44 |
89. Well, I for one am offended |
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edward (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 12:56 PM Response to Reply #89 |
102. With the rise of "fundamentalism", many people are concerned |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 01:16 PM Response to Reply #102 |
120. That does not compute |
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edward (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 01:25 PM Response to Reply #120 |
130. Never said all religious people in the world are fundamentalists. |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 01:40 PM Response to Reply #130 |
145. I didn't say you did say that |
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edward (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 01:50 PM Response to Reply #145 |
155. OK. But it seems that the primary expression of Christianity today is |
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TrogL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 01:53 PM Response to Reply #155 |
157. not the primary expression, the noisiest one |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 01:55 PM Response to Reply #157 |
161. What TrogL said. |
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edward (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 02:10 PM Response to Reply #161 |
171. Reply to 157 and 161 |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 02:19 PM Response to Reply #171 |
175. The Pew Foundation |
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edward (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 02:36 PM Response to Reply #175 |
180. Capitalists are a minority yet the proletariat does not prevail. |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 03:01 PM Response to Reply #180 |
184. I agree. It is influential |
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edward (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 03:12 PM Response to Reply #184 |
188. Then we agree. |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 03:14 PM Response to Reply #188 |
189. Understood |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 03:45 PM Response to Reply #171 |
198. Less fundamentalist religion has a less visible influence but it's there |
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CWebster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 01:58 PM Response to Reply #89 |
163. Maybe "not -believing" is part of the evolutionary path |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 12:14 PM Response to Reply #26 |
61. You seem to be the only one getting overly emotional in this thread... |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 01:27 PM Response to Reply #61 |
132. Post #26 was totally sarcastic |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 11:48 AM Response to Original message |
36. I disagree with and am insulted by your premise |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 11:58 AM Response to Reply #36 |
45. Deleted message |
leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 12:10 PM Response to Reply #45 |
55. as rational an explanation of faith as I've ever encountered |
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Clete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 11:50 AM Response to Original message |
37. Established religions IMHO are created by |
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opihimoimoi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 12:00 PM Response to Reply #37 |
48. Most of the discoveries have already been made when it comes to this stuff |
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Clete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 12:04 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. Watch out for the sharks. |
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opihimoimoi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 12:12 PM Response to Reply #50 |
59. DEath by sharks gatta hurt. |
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CWebster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 02:03 PM Response to Reply #59 |
166. I grew up on the Jersey shore |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 12:11 PM Response to Reply #37 |
57. it could be argued |
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opihimoimoi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 12:17 PM Response to Reply #57 |
64. Research the Levites who wrote the first part of the Old Testament |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 02:53 PM Response to Reply #64 |
182. I'll check it out |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 12:23 PM Response to Reply #57 |
67. Most religions originated... |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 12:49 PM Response to Reply #67 |
93. undoubtedly the need for religion |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 12:28 PM Response to Reply #57 |
71. There is quite a lot of scholarly debate on this |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 12:47 PM Response to Reply #71 |
90. I would find the work of a secular historian |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 01:12 PM Response to Reply #90 |
113. Why limit your understanding? |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 02:05 PM Response to Reply #113 |
168. i said I'd add it to my reading list |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 03:38 PM Response to Reply #90 |
196. Crossan is pretty secular :-) |
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LeftHander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 12:50 PM Response to Original message |
94. You should explore Unitarian Universalism |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 01:14 PM Response to Reply #94 |
116. I love UU's but spare us the elitist "advanced" comment... |
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LeftHander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 02:05 PM Response to Reply #116 |
167. I knew someone would say "elitist" |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 02:21 PM Response to Reply #167 |
176. No, no toes stepped on...and thanks for the response |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 01:02 PM Response to Original message |
105. to sangh0, helleborient, dbaker41, et al |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 01:22 PM Response to Reply #105 |
126. I wish you would consider applying your reasoning here as well... |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 01:24 PM Response to Reply #126 |
128. yeah, let's abandon rationalism |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 02:05 PM Response to Reply #128 |
169. No, not abandon |
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edward (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 03:05 PM Response to Reply #126 |
186. One of U.S. chief propaganda tools to say the Soviet Union is |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 03:28 PM Response to Reply #186 |
192. I mentioned specifically Stalin on purporse |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 03:43 PM Response to Reply #192 |
197. Soviets and the nature of Dogmatic systems |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 03:31 PM Response to Reply #186 |
193. In case you missed my point, |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 01:42 PM Response to Reply #105 |
148. Thank you |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 01:03 PM Response to Original message |
106. From my POV it has more to do with institutions |
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Clete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 01:10 PM Response to Reply #106 |
110. Western religions seem to be cast in granite and |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 01:26 PM Response to Reply #110 |
131. We've not done a good job with PR then... |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 02:33 PM Response to Reply #110 |
179. I have nothing but admiration for tha Dalai Lhama |
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arwalden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
111. I Just Wish They Would Keep Their Noses Out Of Politics And Policy... |
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Clete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 01:17 PM Response to Reply #111 |
122. This is nothing new Allen. |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 01:25 PM Response to Reply #111 |
129. Who is THEY?? |
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Clete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 01:28 PM Response to Reply #129 |
133. Considering that creationism is replacing evolution in |
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arwalden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 01:40 PM Response to Reply #129 |
146. Please Don't Pretend To Be Confused When You Know What I'm Talking About.. |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 02:02 PM Response to Reply #146 |
165. Well, yeah, it can get kind of confusing |
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TrogL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 01:12 PM Response to Original message |
114. Literalism and data structures |
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LeftHander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 02:22 PM Response to Reply #114 |
177. Warm slices of anglican with trinitarian taters.... |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 03:59 PM Response to Reply #177 |
202. SNARF |
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bearfartinthewoods (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 01:14 PM Response to Original message |
117. how many allegedly thoughtful religion threads will it take |
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CWebster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 01:14 PM Response to Original message |
118. Religions have always come and gone. |
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Upfront (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 02:42 PM Response to Reply #118 |
181. Last Word On Religion |
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CWebster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 02:54 PM Response to Reply #181 |
183. Whatever |
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JustJoe (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 03:05 PM Response to Original message |
185. What have you learned from this thread? |
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edward (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 03:15 PM Response to Reply #185 |
190. Only dogmatists think religion should not be debated. |
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JustJoe (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 03:31 PM Response to Reply #190 |
194. Just to be clear... |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 03:35 PM Response to Reply #194 |
195. I have learned some (and a major participant this time) |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 03:46 PM Response to Reply #195 |
200. Never been disentangled from the people |
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arwalden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 03:48 PM Response to Reply #195 |
201. Weren't Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin Both Atheists? ... |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 04:13 PM Response to Reply #201 |
203. Franklin, in a letter to Ezra Stiles, 1789, near end of his life |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 04:24 PM Response to Reply #201 |
205. Thomas Jefferson |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 04:29 PM Response to Reply #201 |
206. Jefferson referred to himself |
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arwalden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 05:13 PM Response to Reply #206 |
208. Thanks Supernova And Helleborient... |
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edward (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 03:46 PM Response to Reply #194 |
199. Both, probably. |
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snooper2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 03:11 PM Response to Original message |
187. The more important question to ask is how religion began? |
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The_Golden_Child (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 03:20 PM Response to Original message |
191. That depends completely on if a religion is the actual Truth... |
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MiltonLeBerle (956 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-03 04:22 PM Response to Original message |
204. You lost me at the start of paragraoh 2- |
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