Are you voting for Kerry or against Bush?

[GreenPartyVoter]

Poll question: Are you voting for Kerry or against Bush?

[DaveFL99]

1. I like Kerry

He's always been my first choice.

[GreenPartyVoter]

2. Welcome to DU :^D

[Liberal Veteran]

3. Need another option....

I'm gladly voting for Kerry, but I'd still cast a vote for Satan before Bush. So BOTH.

[GreenPartyVoter]

5. So you don't feel option two quite covers you? :^)

[Liberal Veteran]

7. Nope....Kerry is an outstanding candidate....but I LOATHE Bush.

In fact, I loathe the day that Babs went to take a shit and gave birth to a chimp.

[Swamp Rat]

21. You and I share these same sentiments

[MODemocrat]

41. Well put Liberal_Veteran

Your name sounds much like my three brothers, all of who served in the military.:hi: :thumbsup:

[Martin Eden]

89. Just like her son ...

... she has no fecal discipline!

[Cha]

95. Yeah...I can see your point about babs...

I voted for "Kerry with pleasure"..it's been quite an evolution for me. It was that damn Dem Convention! :bounce: :toast: :grouphug: :bounce: There's our Bounce!

[Martin Eden]

103. Here I sit, cheeks-a-flexin'

Just gave birth to another Texan.

My sincerest apologies to everybody from Texas, excluding the cretinous cowboy from Crawford and all the right-wing/fundie/fascist freepers.

Molly Ivins and Bill Moyers are two GREAT Americans from Texas.

[Fone Book]

14. I think what shes saying...

Its not just that hes not so bad, its that she really likes Kerry, and she really despises Bush.

I agree.

[Liberal Veteran]

24. Ahem....that would be "HE"....

I'm gay, but I'm not quite nelly enough to be called "She" by most standards.

[Fone Book]

87. sorry dawg

n/t

[wryter2000]

48. Welcome to DU, Fone

:hi:

[libhill]

20. ditto that -

I have more respect for Kerry now than I had initially, however - I too would vote for Satan over Bush, or for that matter, I'd vote for a worm on a dogs ass over Bush. Fuck Bush.

[Swamp Rat]

Yes

Fuck Bush.

[antigone382]

78. I hate Bush, but I certainly wouldn't vote for Satan

Having him for VP is bad enough.

[JohnLocke]

94. LMAO!

[antigone382]

101. Thanks!

The opportunity presented itself and I just couldn't resist.

[sangh0]

4. Looking with anticipation

So far, it's two to one "for Kerry"

But I do give you credit for TRYING to back your statements up with some fact. My suggestion is the next time, do this BEFORE you make claims you can't back up.

[GreenPartyVoter]

8. Sangh, I never gave you numbers, what I said was that some folks

voting for Kerry are ABB, and if given a different option that would not support * would vote for someone other than Kerry.

You are the one who implied that I am the only person in America who falls under the heading of the ABB voter category. As far as I can see from this poll, I guess I am not as alone as you thought.

[sangh0]

18. Being dishonest won't improve your credibility

You are the one who implied that I am the only person in America who falls under the heading of the ABB voter category

I said nothing of the sort. Please provide a link to where I said anything like that.

As far as I can see from this poll, I guess I am not as alone as you thought.

Only 10% say they are voting "MOSTLY" because of ABB.

[sangh0]

22. And you did more than say "SOME FOLKS" were ABB and not pro-Kerry

You accused the Democratic Party of being "undemocratic" because they wouldn't allow a debate over the war, which implies that a MAJORITY wanted an anti-war debate (another assertion you provide ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE to support)

That the delegates were prevented from even challenging the platform or voting to include an anti-war plank is a demonstration as to how undemocratic the "Democratic" Party has become.

[GreenPartyVoter]

27. Are you confusing me with Professor Zunes?

[sangh0]

28. ???

.

[GreenPartyVoter]

31. The author of the article about the Dem platform in the other post

Because the quote you last posted wasn't from me.

[sangh0]

46. You agreed with it

Or did you post it because you disagreed with it

[GreenPartyVoter]

51. I agreed with some of the thinking in it. But generally

I don't post my opinions along with the articles I put up, at least not in the original post.

[sangh0]

52. How can you agree with the "thinking"

while disagreeing with the "facts" the author used to support his/her "thinking"?

[Green Lantern]

64. Confused?

That wasn't what she said at all. GPV said she doesn't generally put an opinion up with an initial item. So no whose thinking and facts are confused?

And BTW there are a hell of a lot of us out here who will probably hold our noses and vote K as ABB types, and not because we think kerry is better than sliced bread.

[sangh0]

104. You must be

While you claim that GPV didn't say s/he agrees with the "thinking", in the post I had just responded to, s/he said s/he "agreed with some of the thinking in it"

Furthermore, GPV is no longer a newbie. There have been enough posts to demonstrate that GPV agrees with most of the article

[Green Lantern]

65. Wjere do you get these statements of yours?

[sangh0]

105. From another thread

and the statement was GPV's, not mine

[gpandas]

9. ????????? eom

[GreenPartyVoter]

15. Sorry for the confusion. This poll is an outgrowth of this thread here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=2138386&mesg_id=2138386
:)

[Swamp Rat]

26. Don't be sorry though. I am enjoying your post because I am with friends.

It's so nice to hear folks kindly say, fuck Bush.

:grouphug:

[whistle]

6. Kerry/Edwards to be precise....

...plus straight democratic ticket, because we need a complete change!!! Throw the republicans out:mad:

And following Kerry's inauguration in January, begin the incarcerations starting with Bush, Cheney to whole Bush cabinet:grr:

[WI_DEM]

10. it used to be against Bush now it's both

against Bush and for Kerry. I still wish it were Dean but Kerry is growing on me.

[libhill]

25. Hey

I thought I was the only Dean fan around these here parts - but I'll support Kerry anywho.

[Swamp Rat]

30. Dean is cool too. We don't have to bicker who is the best Dem right now.

We just need to send that fucker Bush into retirement. Then we can work out the rest.

:toast:

[libhill]

33. Amen to that -

do I hear a Hallelujah?

[Cha]

96. Hallelujah!

Hallelujah!!

[Green Lantern]

67. Sorry

I don't want to see Bushwa in retirement-unless it happens to be by making small rocks from big ones for the rest of his unnatural fascist life, and going to the cage to visit with Mommy with arm and leg shackles on.
We shouldn't let him retire-he should be charged with criminal acts and do the big perp walk, every day on world wide TV-mandatory viewing right before the Pledge of A for school children.

And for company he can have all his little playmates from the neos to the CEOs, the WTO, IMF, NAFTA etc etc leaders as well.

[kaitykaity]

11. Glad you provided that middle option.

I feel better about Kerry now than I did at the end of
the primaries when my Deaniac heart was broken, but
I'm warming up to him.

[drdigi420]

12. I started out as an ABB, but hearing Kerry has made me

like him more and more.

I think I can vote FOR Kerry as much as AGAINST shrub now.

[stinkeefresh]

13. I was not a JK supporter in the primaries.

But the more I learn the more I think he's the person best qualified to be president right now.

Now I love him. I think he has a good shot at being the best President of my lifetime.

[CarolynEC]

16. Yes

;)

[Generator]

17. Both and I must say I frigging hate this question

because it's one the media whores love.

"Nobody is really voting for Kerry but because of their hatred for Bush. " 1. It's not hatred. It's a reality. This bunch of Bozos are a threat to democracy. And if you really had done your job as a journalist you would see their is no choice. Voting fascists out really is not a "choice". It's a reality for those with a brain.

2. I like Kerry better than both Clinton and Gore.Whom I both voted for. I want a fighter. No surrender!

[GreenPartyVoter]

19. It wouldn't even be an issue if we had ranked voting, though.

[fishface]

23. Out with the Texas Turd and in with a legitimate war leader..

what could be better?

[libhill]

40. A war leader

who has experienced war, and put his ass on the line for the men under his command. Not a suck ass rich boy who went awol from the National Guard.

[democratreformed]

29. That speech really won me over.

I will definitely vote for Kerry. I have found incentive to finish my entries on Campaign Underground.

Do you think I'm too easy?

[Swamp Rat]

34. Maybe. What's your sign?

I was really impressed with Kerry's speech too, and I'm a hardcore skeptic.

I can't wait to plaster "Republicans for Kerry" (I'm NOT a repug) all over my car for the macho knuckle-draggers here in Louisiana to see when next to me in traffic. They will either get confused and blow a fuse - drive around in circles - or perhaps think twice. The latter is what I hope for.

[GreenPartyVoter]

35. Repubs for Kerry signs.. I love that idea! *l*

[Swamp Rat]

36. I got them from another DUer - wtmusic

You better PM him before he runs out of them.

[GreenPartyVoter]

39. Do they look like real campaign signs and everything?

[Swamp Rat]

49. They haven't arrived yet...

I can't WAIT! Hee hee! :evilgrin:

[GreenPartyVoter]

53. Let us know how long they manage to stay up. *l*

If general KERRY signs are getting torn down, I bet a Repubs for Kerry one will come down even faster.

[Swamp Rat]

54. If I see someone TOUCH my bumpersticker...

they will need the BEST attorney they can afford.

[democratreformed]

42. Cancer

The "Republicans for Kerry" is a great idea. Here in the South (AR here), it could possibly make some think twice. I might try it too.

[Swamp Rat]

55. Then you should PM wtmusic. He is giving them away and I'm sure he'll be

happy to send you a couple (if he has enough) since you are in the South like me. If not, you can always make your own, custom version.

[democratreformed]

56. Thanks for the info

BTW, I think I forgot to mention that I'm not a Republican either! Sure don't want you to think that!

[Cocoa]

32. against Nader n/t

[Jacobin]

37. I wish Kerry could publicly "get real" with IraqNam

But I suppose that is wishful thinking.

This will be the albatross around his neck. And anyone who thinks that once Kerry is elected that the "news" will suddenly start reporting on how AWFUL and fucked up IraqNam is hasn't been watching PravdaAmerica lately.

[MODemocrat]

38. Kerry will be a fine president

It's true that I would vote against Bush for someone else if necessary, but it so happens That I've really gained the utmost
respect and loyalty for John F. Kerry.
What a ticket! KERRY/EDWARDS

:thumbsup: :dem:

[soupkitchen]

43. Can I vote twice, one for each reason?

[GreenPartyVoter]

44. I don't think this poll allows for multiple votes, but would love to hear

your reasons. :)

[wryter2000]

45. Equally enthused

But I'm really, really, really enthusiatic about doing both.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

47. Nosepin firmly attached. Lesser of two evils yet again.

I just hope that Kerry starts speaking out about Iraq or he's gonna an also ran.

[Senior citizen]

50. When I came to DU I was ABB

At 100 posts I was doing all I could to learn more about Kerry, by 200 posts I was pro-Kerry, by 300 posts I had signed up at various pro-Kerry sites, by 400 posts I had donated money to Kerry, by 500 posts I had gone into debt donating money to Kerry, and at 600+ posts all I can say is,

JOHN KERRY: :yourock:

[Justpat]

57. Always for him

But not too enthusiastically until the convention. I thought his
speech was great and after hearing from all our people at the
convention, I was 100% in Kerry's corner.

[Jokinomx]

58. I started against * but the acceptance speech changed that...

Now I am for Kerry 100%...

[Erratic]

59. Kerry is a good man, but....

I would have preferred a candidate like Dean or Clark in office. They've got more fire and are more likable. Kerry's environmental record is what I like most about him though.

[GreenPartyVoter]

60. Welcome to DU :^D I agree, I hope Kerry can do some good things

in terms of the environment while in the Oval office. Would help if we can give him a Blue Hill with a spine, though. ;)

[Jokinomx]

62. Welcome to the DU Erratic......

I have to say... I loved his acceptance speech... and now to have seen him in Grand Rapids today... live... I just love this guy...

He really is the Real Deal..

that is my humble opinion....:-)

[GoneOffShore]

61. I like Kerry

Wasn't so sure at first, and yes, I've read the articles in The Nation about how we need to move back to our Dem roots, but hey, let's get someone in there who's at least going to listen to us.

[GreenPartyVoter]

63. Exactly. Do I love Kerry's stances on policy? Not all of them. Do I

think I have a better shot of getting election reform or any number of other issues addressed by a Kerry Admin than a * one? Oh, yeah!

My theory is, if we get Kerry in and he can help get some election reform going, we might have a shot at seeing a President Kucinich or McKinney one day. :)

[MoonRiver]

66. Why do we keep getting these polls?

Results always overwhelmingly support Kerry, but the polls are clearly attempting to undermine him. I mean no offense, I'd just like an explanation.

[GreenPartyVoter]

99. It was an outgrowth of a discussion in this post here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=2138386&mesg_id=2138386

Had to do with how much support for Kerry is truly for Kerry or against Bush. Probably doesn't mean much to folks, though, who aren't interested in ranked voting.

[Bush was AWOL]

68. Kerry was the best option out of all the canidates this year

I think Dean would've fucked up the whole campaign by now. The only thing hurting Kerry is he is a Senator and not a Governor. He is a good canidate, but there is a reason a senator has not been elected since JFK.

[TOhioLiberal]

69. almost alway been for Kerry...

Dean was 1st choice, but after he dropped out gravitated toward Kerry.

[Name removed]

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[DaveSZ]

71. I'm not "ABB"

That's silly imo.

Kerry had to earn my vote, and that he did.

[Djinn]

73. God forbid anyone has a dissenting opinion

although I'm not sure if GPV ever said "vote for Nader" - but she/he should probably have realised by now that any opinion except Kerry is God is going to be spat on.

Before you accuse me of being a freeper/"Naderite" or whatever the current slur is I don't vote in US elections - if I did - I would vote for Kerry but I wouldn't be holding my breath waiting for a Liberal nirvana but the lockstep thinking that many posters on DU seem to require at the moment is disturbing. The claim that any leftie expressing doubts about Kerry is going to change the mind of some swing voters is ridiculous.

[Green Lantern]

84. Dissent

Very well said. If we all wanted lockstep we could stay with Cowboy Small. Nice to see that not all opinions require bit of tunnel vision. The DP platform is more targetted towards the "moderate" and the renegade Republican, not the liberal or progressive.

[Djinn]

86. certainly don't see much "left" about them

same goes for the British (New) Labour Party or the Australian Labor Party. The "third way" means nothing more than right wing with a nicer smile.

[GreenPartyVoter]

75. I have more than 6500 posts on this board, and I can guarantee

you the bulk of which had nothing to do with Kerry. I suspect you have missed all the non-Kerry ones somehow.

As far as voting goes, I am voting for Kerry but I don't have to fall down on my knees and worship him. You don't like it that I have opinions on his platform, tough.

[Green Lantern]

83. destruction

-guess you would know - huh?

The recent track record of the DP is not all that good now, is it?

[americanwomanone]

72. I Started out Just Wanting Bush Gone

But that was at the very beginning of the year. I supported Wes Clark but when that didn't work out I began to really watch John Kerry. Now there is no doubt that he is the man!

[GreenPartyVoter]

74. Welcome to DU :^D

[EST]

76. John Kerry

was about fourth on my list in December of the ones I really wanted (ol' Joe was never on my list at all). I saw him take a statement of Dean's and pretend to misunderstand it and lie (I mean spin) about it. Being a relative neophyte on political argumentation, I was outraged. I did vote for JFK in the primary (Illinois) as the only electable candidate. However I continued to listen and by the convention his speech just blew me away. I do wish he'd take a little stronger stance on some things but maybe this technique today of having Dean rip Bush a new asshole and Kerry allowing as how Dean had a right to his opinion and Dean says Kerry has a right to his opinion is something they planned. I sure hope so. It was great!

[GreenPartyVoter]

77. Welcome to DU :^D

[EST]

79. Thank you very much

I feel at home.

[GreenPartyVoter]

81. Yeah, it's a good place. Nice to have a haven from the Freepers

of the world. *g*

[EST]

92. I understand it from context, but

exactly what's a freeper?

[GreenPartyVoter]

98. "Free Person" I think it comes from the extreme

RW militia-type folk out in.. hmm.. Montana, is it? Not sure.

But there is also a website called "Free Republic" which is sorta like DU, but is the oppostie in terms of the politics they gravitate towards there.

[Spiffarino]

80. Liked Kerry from the start

I've been a Kerry fan since watching his first campaign stops on C-Span 7 or 8 months ago. I've always liked his positions on the issues. I like how he interacts with voters and how well he listens when asked a question. He's thoughtful, deeply caring, and fundamentally honest.

I flirted with Dean, Gephardt, and Clark, and I think any of them would make a good president. But I discovered a lot to like about Kerry once I took the time to find out more about him.

[antigone382]

82. I'm voting for both reasons.

I really like Kerry. He seems like a man who understands the burden of responsibility that goes with the power of the presidency. He's an incredibly smart man with a good record and a nuanced understanding of the issues, not to mention the ability to make political alliances with other nations, rather than just writing them off. I agree with his stance on most (if not all) issues. Plus, he frickin' respects his wife's ability to speak and think for herself.

Conversely, I hate the Bush administration and all that it stands for. It becomes more and more apparent each day that we are headed in a frightening direction, in which corporate interests control the government and the government controls the people (please excuse the glare coming off my foil hat). We've "turned a corner," and I don't like what's on the other side.

After 9/11, I was distressed that we didn't have a leader like Lincoln or FDR: someone who could navigate through turbulent times, and inspire the nation with his wisdom and dignity. Bush could never be that leader, but Kerry seems more and more like just the person I had in mind.

[mellowinman]

85. Happily voting for Kerry

but if they ran a stick with some dog poop on it against Bush, I'd vote for the stick with some dog poop on it to run this country.

[fortyfeetunder]

88. No good has ever come from the George Bush Family

He's got to go! That is why I am voting for Kerry.

[walldude]

90. Well I was fully ABB but now

I'm in the "Kerry's not too bad" column. The speech helped. But I have some issues with kerry on some of his stances. Mostly his pro "war on drugs" stance, and his support for Isreal building "the wall". His speech earned points with me, but I am suspicious by nature and these two issues are a big deal for me.

[shawmut]

91. for Kerry n/t

[Happy Eddie]

93. With Kerry from the start

Way back when they started televising those debates and the "evenings with Tom Harkin", I thought Kerry came across as thoughtful and knowledgeable.

Maybe it's the long sentences (though nobody on earth speaks in longer sentences than Joe Lieberman) that make him sound like he always knows what he's talking about. Maybe it's the historical allusions; I'm a sucker for Ben Franklin quotations. I probably couldn't tell you how the differences between his health care plan and, say, Gephardt's (another policy wonk) would specifically affect you or me. But I knew that he had thought about it, had studied it, and could defend it.

Similarly, his Web site had the longest and most detailed policy papers.

I thought many of the candidates had a lot to offer. But somehow, the process, as screwy as it might look, got us a solid, substantial candidate, somebody I can support enthusiastically for who he is and what he represents, not just because he's not *. "Not *" isn't enough to get us to where we could be.

[GreenPartyVoter]

97. Glad to see so many folks chiming in. Thanks! :^)

[nolabels]

100. Not sure if that's a real question,, but pass the popcorn

I'm still looking forward to personally meeting someone who supports Bush on the accomplishments and merits of his administration and can talk about all of them for more than 60 seconds.

Factious pResidents for factious people

"BUSH" the anti-democracy

[GreenPartyVoter]

102. Those folks are easy to find. Just get yourself to a

fundagelical church this Sunday. Odds are you might even get told from the pulpit why * is a Godly man and the greatest president of all time. :eyes:

[GreenPartyVoter]

106. Shoot, I should have added an option for

Are you mainly voting because Edwards is on the ticket? I am curious about that too.