Ugh! All-time new low "Kerry's wounds self-inflicted?"

[underpants]

Expect to hear this all over the airwaves (at least the blatantly right wing ones) in the coming days and months. This sounds devastating but consider the source. God I hope this comes right back at them.

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39795

WASHINGTON – Two of John Kerry's Purple Hearts were for self-inflicted wounds, charges a new book by two of the presidential candidate's Vietnam comrades.

In "Unfit for Command," scheduled for release Aug. 15, John O'Neill, who took over Kerry's swift-boat command, and his co-author Jerome Corsi say two of Kerry's three Purple Heart decorations resulted from self-inflicted wounds, not suffered under enemy fire, according to the DrudgeReport.

O'Neill tells of a joke circulated among his colleagues that Kerry "left Vietnam early not because he received three Purple Hearts, but because he had recorded enough film of himself to take home for his planned political campaigns."

The group includes the entire chain of command above Kerry during his tenure in Southeast Asia, as well as enlisted men.

[Walt Starr]

1. Everybody in the group is within one degree of seperation from Bush

They were put together as a part of a lying smear campaign by Nixon.

[underpants]

2. Nixon?

:shrug:

[Walt Starr]

13. Yes, Nixon

Kerry was on Nixon's enemies list. O'Neil got his start smearing KErry in the 70's.

[wicket]

29. John O'Neil

The author of this "book" is John O'Neil, who was once hired by Nixon to smear Kerry when he was in Vietnam Vets Against the War.

[radwriter0555]

3. o'neil has had a hard on for kerry for 30 years, I dunno who this corsi

character is, other than a crafty insurance salesman.. he has no credibility, nor does o'neil, that I can determined.

This is all gossip, rumor, lies and rhetoric and not worth our acknowledgement. Once again, character attacks while unable to address real issues.

[Geo55]

11. Once again, character attacks

Well , everybody's beatin' up chimpy for his "service"....
they gotta try sumthin'....ANYTHING !

[DaveFL99]

34. But gossip, rumor, lies and rhetoric

are what win elections.

[quinnox]

4. Just wait if Kerry is elected

This will probably be only the first of many books from right wingers on Kerry, to try and make a buck off him. Both sides do it.

[MaineDem]

5. Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V

Why all this emphasis on the Purple Hearts when he was awarded these higher medals? hese people have no shame whatsoever.

I'm sure he thought of a future political career when he pulled the Soldier out of the water. :eyes:

This is despicable beyond belief! But I am convinced the BFEE will stop at NOTHING to try to discredit Kerry and win - I mean steal - this election. It scares me.

[JLuckey]

6. Is O'Neill donating the profits from the book.....

to my friends who are disabled Viet-Nam Vets.

[shoelace414]

7. This is untrue

two of the presidential candidate's Vietnam comrades.

they were in Vietnam.. but not his comrades.

[flordehinojos]

8. John O'Neill has been after John Kerry since the end of the Vietnam War

When a man is so fixated on another man with the intent of destroying him, is it possible that his intent to destroy nurses a spurned heart? Did John O'Neill ever make a homosexual advance towards Kerry which was refused?! Nothing surprises me anymore. I can't think of any other reason why the man is so maliciously fixated on Kerry. Please illuminate my brain as to whatever other possible reason there could be...and as far as the bushes are concerned, I have always thought there is something sexual about the way they play politics.
Perhaps I am crazy after all!x(

[King Coal]

9. Let's get the band of brothers to testify. Then sue his ass!

Yeah, see, being AWOL is not so bad. It's not as bad as shooting yourself. God, that is pathetic.

[underpants]

21. I know this will fire up the RW kool-aid drinkers

and give them "facts" that they can talk about amongst themselves but I have faith that the General Public will throw this back in the faces of anyone who brings it up.

[Mr_Spock]

10. These old right-wing haters are evil to the core. If you disagree

with them, then they try to destroy you - well, like Ann Coulter, in the end they will just destroy themselves with their own hatred. These jokers will go down as an asterisk in history as their venom only works on animals of their same breed. These holier than thou right-wingers are truly the self-fulfilling prophesy that could possibly bring about rapture. Won't they be surpirsed when they are the ones removed from the planet.

[Geo55]

15. LOL...

"Won't they be surpirsed when they are the ones removed from the planet."

I almost want to believe in the Rapture for that very reason.

[Mr_Spock]

30. I truly believe that the irony of the Rapture will be the re-forming

of Christianity into the true liberal way of life that Jesus spoke of, and that the "hypoChristians" are in for a BIG surprise. Good will triumph over evil in the end.

[Geo55]

43. Good will triumph over evil in the end.......AMEN ! n/t

[lapfog_1]

12. O'Neill is a Charles Colson operative

They actually have audio tape on Nixon and Colson talking
about this guy, and how they could encourage him to "confront"
Kerry and on and on. Should tell you enough.

BTW - here is an interesting description of Charles "Chuck" Colson

Charles

[CarolynEC]

14. And there are people on our side of the aisle...

Who wonder why some of us want to blast away at Bush's non-record.

Ummmm... Because if the repugs insist on starting this fight over and over and over again, we ought to step in and win it decisively once and for all.


P.S. I'd love to hear a "reporter" ask Bush what he thinks of this book and the line of attack it continues. See if Bush has either the brains or the backbone to repudiate it.

[chiburb]

16. Doesn't matter because Kerry is "running to lose" anyway...

Yep. Hand-picked by Rove. Repuke Lite.

See for yourselves:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=2152239&mesg_id=2152239&page=

[MallRat]

18. LOL!

n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

20. ROTFLMFAO

NT

[KurtNYC]

28. I dont see anything in that thread that backs that up

Just difference of opinion on strategy.

Got any facts?

[chiburb]

36. Plenty. What do you want to learn?

[KurtNYC]

41. start with how "Rove picked Kerry"

[spooked]

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[underpants]

19. Uggh! Ollie?

I figured that. Now THAT is the home of nutsy conspiracy theories.

[jmowreader]

40. Regnery Publishing stands as shining proof...

that Timsons will sell a printing press to anyone who can come up with the money.

If you have a really lunatic right-wing book, one that no one else will touch, you take it to Regnery. Neither Ann Coulter nor Sean Hannity stoop so low as to publish with Regnery any longer (Coulter's High Crimes and Misdemeanors is a Regnery imprint; Hannity never used Regnery)...but Barbara Olsen used Regnery as her publishing house. Not even the Pigboy uses Regnery, but his brother David does.

The Regnery imprint is a seal of quality: if you see it on a book, take the book home and bury it in your azalea patch without reading it; they will grow large and luscious.

[MallRat]

17. John O'Neill AGAIN?

Oh, wait... it's WorldNetDaily.

Remember- the RW hate machine tried to say the same thing about Max Cleland a couple of months ago, and it went nowhere.

-MR

[Mortos]

22. Neither one of these assholes

served WITH Kerry. O'neill took over the boat Kerry commanded TWO MONTHS after Kerry left Vietnam. Corsi never served a day with Kerry either. Here is a hillarious blurb from a right wing website toutint the book/crap:

"This book gives you the whole story: the truth (from trustworthy eyewitnesses) about the service in Vietnam that Kerry has consistently distorted for his own political gain;"

If anyone brings this up challenge them, like I did recently to a local talk show liar, to name a single person that served with Keryy who is making this claim. They won't be able to.

[underpants]

24. BAM! there it is

Thanks Mortos. I knew the way that article was written that they were sliding on the facts "succeeded" is not the same as "immediately replaced".

[WilliamPitt]

23. Y'all are gonna need this, so bookmark it

http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/service.asp

[underpants]

26. Got it -just read it on my smoke break

Though the names don't match up (see Mortos's post directly above) which is telling it covers what on face value alone is ridiculous.

Like I said elsewhere I think that most people will jump on anyone trying to discredit a vet like this.

Not injured enough for your tastes? Get your ass in a BDU and show us what you got.

[Gman]

25. I find it amazing that O'Neill, who wasn't even there when Kerry was

and therefore doesn't have a clue about Kerry's tour of VN, continues to libel and slander Kerry.

In general, you can't slander a public figure like Kerry unless you know what you're saying isn't true but you do it maliciously anyway. O'Neill counts heavily on Kerry not doing anything.

[Carni]

27. O'NEILL CLERKED FOR REHNQUIST!

I posted a thread on this last night but no one cared!:cry:

But seriously...that isn't all here's some info on O'Neill!

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/kerry/art... /

"So it was that yesterday O'Neill stood beside Hoffmann and some of Kerry's other commanding officers, declaring, "We believe that based on our experience with him that he is totally unfit to be commander in chief."

It was O'Neill's second shot at his archrival. O'Neill made his points against Kerry in those 1971 debates, but he looked ill at ease in the most famous encounter, on "The Dick Cavett Show." Kerry, at 6 foot 4 inches tall, towered over O'Neill, who nonetheless taunted Kerry as "little man." Kerry had a thick file of documents, using his years of experience on the Yale debate team to say calmly in a Kennedyesque accent that he "personally didn't see atrocities" but that he took part in actions that he later learned were contrary to the Geneva Conventions.

Then O'Neill gradually faded into history, appearing at the Republican National Convention in 1972 on behalf of Nixon, clerking for Supreme Court Justice William H. Rehnquist, and returning to Texas to become a lawyer, where one of his law partners was the late Harold Lezar, who in 1994 ran for lieutenant governor on a ticket with George W. Bush.

It took the prospect of John Kerry as president, he said, to get him back in the arena.

[underpants]

32. Wow thanks

I don't think Kerry "got him back in the area" I think they dusted him off and are trying to run this up the flagpole again (notice the Drudge test balloon) to see if anyone will salute this time.

[Carni]

39. THIS Conaso article is a must read! O'neill tied to all the usual suspects

I tried to snag as much as I could in four paragraphs to give you the idea, but the whole article is a must read...these clowns are also tied to Ken Starr. (BTW Salon has a free day pass)

http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2004/05/04/swift/index_np.html

"Colson, who went to prison for Watergate crimes, saw O'Neill as a perfect foil to Kerry, whom Nixon and his aides feared as a decorated, articulate and reasonable opponent of the war and their regime. Indeed, O'Neill was perfect -- a crewcut officer who had served on the same Navy swift boat that Kerry had commanded, although their stints in the Mekong Delta didn't overlap. In June 1971, Colson brought O'Neill up to Washington for an Oval Office audience with Nixon. His impressions live on in a memo filed later:"

MORE

"To establish his nonpartisan credentials, O'Neill assured the CNN anchor that he was "never contacted" by the Bush-Cheney campaign. What he didn't mention, however, is that his law firm boasts long-standing and powerful connections with the Bush White House.

With an oil and litigation practice focused on the defense of major energy and industrial firms, the dozen partners in Clements, O'Neill, Pierce, Wilson & Fulkerson have clout that exceeds their firm's small size. Their corporate clients include Exxon Mobil, General Electric, Reliant Energy, Koch Industries and Eastman Kodak. More important, among the name partners is Margaret Wilson, the former general counsel to George W. Bush during his second term as Texas governor. (She succeeded Alberto Gonzales, who currently serves as White House counsel.)

In 2001, Wilson went to Washington with the new president, who appointed her deputy general counsel in the Department of Commerce. During her tenure as Bush's counsel in Austin, she was implicated in the Service Corporation International funeral home scandal. State government whistle-blower Eliza May accused Wilson of participating in an effort to "intimidate" her from pursuing an investigation of SCI, a major Bush campaign donor."

[underpants]

46. Again thanks

I have what I need should this BS! come my way.

[bossfish]

31. I got an "Unfit for Command" e-mail today

forwarded from an associate I work with sometimes who is a Vietnam vet.

I clicked reply to all and mentioned that this O'Neill guy has been a paid hit man on Kerry since Nixon...

[underpants]

33. That was part of the reason for starting this post

I knew this was going to be a RW e-mail and like I said they are going to try to get this on "mainstream" media.

[billybob537]

35. Desperate times call

for desperate measures.
THE PUKES are scared to death of what will be revealed if Kerry wins. He will go after these Criminals in the Admin. with the zeal of a prosecutor on overload. The COWARD IN CHIEF will be exposed for the failure he is. The LIE machine will fail to function.

[vetwife]

37. Sure he did...Had he..He would have gotten a dishonorable discharge

Not a silver star and bronze star.
They are truly desperate !
They are shooting themselves in the foot with this one !

[leesa]

38. Let them do this. It really makes the GOP look sleazy.

[snippy]

42. This is unAmerican slander. Sleazy even for the Bush White House.

Very reminiscent of Bush's South Carolina primary attacks on McCain.

[KurtNYC]

45. And Desparate

The more people see the admin as doomed, the more these lies will look like desparation.

If I was to use a GOP line of counter attack I would say that "People who spread these lies are undermining the authority of the next President of the United States and therefore weakening the United States in general."

[Warren DeMontague]

44. Bush, However, was brutally attacked

during the same period by wave after wave of vicious, unrelenting Coors Tall Boys, Mickey's Big Mouths, and Assorted Pony Kegs. And we must not forget his reported bravery in fighting his way through large amounts of hazardous, white powdery substances.

[WLKjr]

47. And there still is no excuse for the W being AWOL

That is what I say everytime I hear something like this. I ask, "What is W's excuse? he seems to be missing when his country needed him the most. Explain that one to me and back him up you Bush supporter, back it up. Kerry was still in Veitnam no matter how you look at it and the W was not!"


and then I get a stunned look and asked why I hate.......

[Plaid Adder]

48. There is no way that this is not going to be counterproductive for them.

OK, they're ganging up to pick on a veteran. A wounded, decorated veteran. How is that going to make them look better?

Bush's base is probably real excited about this, but to everyone else this is just going to represent a new low-water-mark in American politics, and it will have the Republican logo on it.

Relax, people,

The Plaid Adder