Bush would benefit from domestic terror attack - Chris Matthews on Today

[Wickerman]

Seriously, I just heard this. He was being interviewed about Bush* releasing specific data (albeit 4 years old) about the 5 fiscal targets. He said Bush had no choice - if he didn't and they were attacked it could be shown that he knew and didn't act - that would be an impeachable offense.

Asked if it wasn't just politics Matthews then said that hey, Bush takes a hit for this, he takes a hit for an explosion in Iraq where hundreds die. That's politics. Then, he slips in this chiller - If there is a similar domestic terror attack then Bush benefits because folks will rally around the flag. :puke:

I have to disagree with the premise of Tweet's comments - I think it would only demonstrate how little Bush* has accomplished toward protecting the nation. More than that, I am deeply offended at the suggestion that terror could be a tool to elect the president of the US.

[cthrumatrix]

1. he has zero integrity.... promoting a coward as a leader in a time

of war.....what insane logic.

Bush has shown to be a liar and a deciever...where are morals ?

[Bowline]

2. Bush benefits and we lose.

I still believe they've got a "terror" attack on standby for use if it looks like the election is going badly for the right. Either just before, or even during, the election. Perhaps something requiring a "temporary" suspension of the election. For our protection, of course.

[NewJeffCT]

5. My thoughts exactly

People will rally 'round the flag in the event of another terror attack - especially since Fox, CNN and the rest of the Corporate MassMedia will tell us we have to rally round the flag, which our self-proclaimed War President will have wrapped himself in...

I still expect us to have an Operation Northwoods 2004 in the works, only instead of blaming Cubans as a pretext for an invasion of Cuba in the early 60s, it will be used to blame Iran and/or Syria as a pretext to invade one, or both, of those countries.

[vi5]

3. Unfortunately he's right....

Look at how many times we've overestimated the american public. As late as voting day on 2002 there were people on here who still thought we had a chance to pick up seats rather than lose them.

Face it. Their tactics work. If there is anything that happens within 60 days of the election, bush wins by "rally round the flag" inertia. If people don't think that is the case they are I'm afraid, seriously misleading themselves.

[Q]

4. It was ALREADY shown that he KNEW AND DIDN'T ACT...

...and it happened on 9-11. But he wasn't impeached because people like Mathews sold out and covered it up.

- Why should Americans 'rally around the flag' THIS TIME after Bush* continues to insist that he has made this country 'safer'?

[flpoljunkie]

10. Exactly,Americans will only rally round the flag, if media whores for Bush

Tweety does does not engage his brain before he runs his mouth; he is pathetic, even though he sometimes gets it right.

The Bush administration, not only has done done enough to make us safe from terrorism, they have whacked the hornet's nest by going to war in Iraq. Americans are just as likely, left alone, to blame the Bush administration for not doing nearly enough to keep us safe.

The money that could have been spent to help equip our first responders, safeguard our ports, inspect cargo on passenger airplanes, make chemical and nuclear plants safer, etc.--instead, has likely been squandered in Iraq-- in an attempt to"bring democracy" to the Middle East-- whose odds of success are considered by many experts to be only 10-20%.

The complicit media remains, for the most part, unaware that the "emperor is nekid."

[GOPisEvil]

6. That's such a load of crap.

It would highlight the fact that we are not, in fact, safer despite his protestations to the opposite.

[mopaul]

7. this is why we must conclude that 9-11 was planned by bushco...n/t

[papau]

8. Tweety lied that attack "casing was ongoing for 5 Financial Inst - so

no politics in terror warning.

I wonder how he sleeps at night.

[DrBB]

9. Shorter Tweety: Please attack us! Please! Do it soon okay? Pleeeeeease! n/

[Poiuyt]

11. Unfortunately, I think al Queda wants Bush to win

The Arab world hates Bush so much thathaving him in office helps their recruiting. If they see that another attack on US soil will help elect Bush they may try doing it again.

[leesa]

12. Heaven forbid Bush should commit an impeachable offense

I guess Tweety hasn't noticed the other impeachable offenses Bush has committed.

This might be the next bit of manure they try to fly.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

15. I guess Tweety hasn't noticed the other impeachable offenses

Oh I think if Chris digs into his memory banks... he will come up with something of the sort.... see here:


http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2003/12.11/10-clark.html
>>Upstart Democratic presidential candidate Gen. Wesley Clark touted his military credentials while assailing President Bush's foreign policy Monday night (Dec. 8) during an appearance at the Kennedy School's John F. Kennedy Jr. Forum. Clark answered questions from host Chris Matthews and a Harvard audience during a live national broadcast of MSNBC's "Hardball."
Citing reports of questionable intelligence used to justify the war, Clark called for congressional hearings to determine what may have gone wrong, saying the president should be held accountable. "They used evidence that wasn't properly vetted by the intelligence community. Of course it was reckless," he said. "And if you take the country to war improperly it's an impeachable offense."<<

[dmkinsey]

13. It's just a matter of opinion

and perspective.
Bush supporters WILL rally 'round him in the event of another attack.
WE will see it as proof that he's a worthless failure.
Nothing, no matter how tragic, will pry the real neo-cons away from bush.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

14. I am deeply offended at the suggestion that terror

could be a tool to elect the president of the US.<<

Well.... this administration seems to think that that is what went down in Spain... even thought it didn't. Sooooo that is their perspective.

It definitely would show that 87 billion could have been spent to secure our country, borders, and infrastructure (which is crumbling btw) rather than to secure Iraq's oil fields.

All this hubris.. all this misguided efforts, lives, dollars, resources, time, energy, brainpower, intelligence resources, and so on... WASTED in Iraq.... when it could have been used to target the people who are the focus of these 3 to 5 year old intelligence flags.

At least Senator Gary Hart gets it... I caught him this morning... finished his book... that I believe truly does explain "why they hate us"... and doesn't give the pat answer... "cuz we're free".

I welcome the arrival of an intelligent work produced by an intelligent and patriotic American.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0195176839/qid=1091716637/sr=8-1/ref=pd_ka_1/104-2482485-8895102?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

The Fourth Power: A Grand Strategy for the United States in the Twenty-First Century

>>Certain objectives require a military response--few serious people would disagree. The question is "whether America's purposes are best achieved through empire and force or through principle and persuasion." To suggest the former, Hart argues, is to misread both history and our current revolutionary age, one where terrorism, the internationalization of markets, information technology, eroding nation-state authority and other realities demand not doctrines of superstate unilateralism and preemption but rather appreciation for new collective security structures, international regulatory bodies, even forms of collaborative sovereignty.<<

Clarification:
An adjunct to the thread that asked what you should never tell your boss.... my response as radical as it probably came across... was in response to the statement from a coworker that Had Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. had a job instead of a dream... he would probably still be alive. Just wanted to clear that up. I am caucasian btw... not that it matters.

[Wickerman]

16. No sweat

Though, of course your colleague was wrong. King did have a job - he had a large congregation to which he continued to tend even through all the activism. Once again our Freeper friends would rather spew their hateful racial stereotypes than know what the fuck they are talking about.

Congrats on getting out of that hell-hole.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

18. Congrats on getting out of that hell-hole.

I am in the south.... deep south.... and I don't take any crap... not for me... and not for my fellow citizens who don't deserve it. I can't stand racism... I just can't. It makes me ill.... it is the source of more problems in this country than can be tallied by the most super supercomputer.

We can't even get our civil rights correct... and we go parading around the globe telling others what type of puppet government they should have... HAH!!

www.soaw.org

>>For over a decade, students, religious, labor, veterans, human rights, and social/global justice groups have been converging every November at the gates of Fort Benning, GA to speak out in solidarity with the people of the Americas and to engage in nonviolent direct action. We will gather again this year on November 20 and 21 to continue together in the struggle until the School of the Americas is closed and the policies it represents are changed forever! The events this year will be preceded by teach-ins, trainings, and caucuses on Friday, November 19. Continue to check the website as plans unfold and various events are announced in more detail.<<

[NightOwwl]

17. He also said, the less Iraq is in the news

the better it is for Bush.

Wouldn't want those pesky dead soldiers and civilians get in the way of Bush's re-election.

[ProfessorGAC]

19. I Concur

I think Matthews is revealing his lack of big picture thinking. An attack becomes a weapon for Kerry, without being nasty. "All the power given, all the changes allowed, and we're still not safe enough" is the slogan.

I also agree, that this is probably not the kind of musings that a good journalist, opinion based or not, should reveal on network TV. It's just unseemly.
The Professor