Did you know that KKKarl Rove ALSO has CLOSE ties to the Nazis?

[in_cog_ni_to]

I didn't know about it. :( This shit is SCARY! :scared:

I was looking up some information on Prescott Bush and his Nazi connections and came across this ...



Fourth Reich?

The Bush-Rove-Schwarzenegger Nazi Nexus


By BOB FITRAKIS and HARVEY WASSERMAN

<snip>


Karl Rove has parallel ties. The shadowy Rove serves as "Bush's Brain" in the current White House. He is the political mastermind behind the California coup, and is now in the headlines for outing Valerie Plame, the CIA wife of Ambassador Joseph Wilson. A consummate strategist, Rove may have outed Plame in retaliation for Wilson's failure to back up the Bush claim that Saddam Hussein was buying nuclear weapons materials in Africa. According to some published reports, as many as seventy CIA operatives have been put at risk by Rove's retaliatory strike.


According to Wilson, and to Retired U.S. Navy Lt. Commander Al Martin (www.almartinraw.com), Rove's grandfather was Karl Heinz Roverer, the Gauleiter of Oldenburg. Roverer was Reich-Statthalter---Nazi State Party Chairman---for his region. He was also a partner and senior engineer in the Roverer Sud-Deutche Ingenieurburo A. G. engineering firm, which built the Birkenau death camp, at which tens of thousands of Jews, Gypsies, dissidents and other were slaughtered en masse.


Rove, who has been based in Utah and associated with the Mormon Church, is widely viewed as the chief engineer of the current Bush administration. He and Tom DeLay are attempting to force the Texas legislature to redistrict its Congressional delegations, adding seven sure seats to the Republican column. By controlling the state houses in New York, Florida, Texas and California, the GOP would have a lock on the four largest states in the union, and thus the ability to manipulate vote counts and strip voter registration rolls in the run-up to the 2004 election.
Rove is a prime behind-the-scenes mover in the Schwarzenegger campaign. On May 1, 1939, a year after the Nazis took control of Schwarzenegger's native Austria, his father Gustav, voluntarily joined Hilter's infamous Strumabteilung (SA), "brown shirt" stormtroopers. This was just six months after the brown shirts played a key role in the bloody Kristallnacht attacks on Germany's Jewish community.


The Vienna daily Der Standard noted recently that "Gustav, a high-ranking Nazi, brought up the bespectacled, rather frail boy with an iron fist and quite a few slaps in the face." Arnold's father favored a Hitler-style mustache in photos.
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http://www.geocities.com/bushfamilynazis/bnfreepress.html

[Old and In the Way]

1. Maintaining a Republican majority in the House is probably

priority #1 for this administration. They'll need that to keep the Democrats from reopening investigations on the junta.

[TransitJohn]

2. Love your pigpen avatar. NM**

[starroute]

3. This claim is questionable to say the least

There was a DU thread which covered some of the ground a few months back:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1027530

As far as I know, it is based entirely on a claim by Al Martin, who is far from reliable. I've never seen it definitively debunked -- and it's certainly been widely repeated around the Net -- but I think it's very unlikely to be authentic.

[Obamarama]

4. Who the hell knows WHAT to believe anymore....

Even if it can neither be debunked nor proven to be true, lets just say I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be accurate.

[supercrash]

5. jeeesh..

I always see people cut down Al Martin on this site

Yet nobody ever explains why he is a liar...NEVER

Can ANYBODY give me examples ?...If you can't then stop the slandering of Al

[donsu]

9. agree - seems like some people want to shut Al up

but never show proof

[in_cog_ni_to]

11. : ) I've never heard about Al Martin.

I didn't realize he was so controversial. :scared:

[starroute]

12. I'm not slandering Al Martin -- but I don't think he's 100% reliable

Al Martin makes a lot of extreme statements about things like blatant military corruption. He presents these as things he knows about from personal experience and doesn't give any outside documentation to back them up. Occasionally, I've tried to check on some of his statements and found that every online reference led back to Al Martin.

Contrast this with Daniel Hopsicker, for instance, who also makes outrageous statements, but who clearly lays out his research and sources. When I Google names from Hopsicker articles, like Wally Hilliard or Barry Seal, I come up with independent confirmation of his statements.

I find Al Martin interesting -- and I've even posted links to his stuff myself -- but I would not depend on anything he wrote without backup.

[Radical Activist]

6. "associated with the Mormon church" wtf?

Rove lived in Texas and he isn't Mormon. So what was the point of that line? I guess the article is playing off people's prejudice and lack of knowledge about Mormons. After that line this article has no credibility with me. Its a hate article. I hate Rove but we don't need to make things up to bash him. The truth is good enough.

[daveskilt]

7. those wacky mormons -

they used to be hated for being socialists now they are hated for being nazis - when will they make their minds up over in Utah?

[supercrash]

8. wasn't Rove a student in Utah ?

[in_cog_ni_to]

10. Yes he was.

The article doesn't say he was/is a Mormon. It says he was "associated" with the Mormon Church.

<snip>
You don’t have to be a psychohistorian to see in it an element of compensation. Rove’s family life as a child sounds fairly dismal. His father, a mineral geologist, was gone from home for long stretches, and finally walked out for good on Christmas Eve, 1969, which was also the eve of Karl’s 19th birthday. A few years earlier, the family had uprooted from Nevada to move to Salt Lake City just as Karl was entering high school. According to Bush’s Brain, Wayne Slater and James Moore’s biography, the whole experience left Rove hungering for images of permanence, legitimacy, and authority. “In a city where the prevalent influences were political and religious,” they wrote, “his family was neither. He grew up in an apolitical household, without religious mooring. Friend Mark Dangerfield told a reporter that it seemed to bother Rove that ‘he was raised in a completely nonreligious home.’” (Though Rove may never have caught the religion bug himself, it figured prominently from the start in Rove’s service to his one true god, the Republican party.)

on edit...forgot the link...
http://babelogue.citypages.com:8080/sperry/2004/03/21

[Radical Activist]

17. What does "associated" mean?

I know it doesn't claim he was Mormon. The phrase used in the article suggests some kind of sinister connection with the Mormon church. The only thing the paragraph you pasted says is that he lived in Utah. Well, I guess that means every person who has ever lived in Utah is "associated" with the Mormon church. So the hell what? Dennis Rodman played some basketball games in Salt Lake City and badmouthed Mormons while he as there so I guess he is "associated" with the Mormons too. There is no intellectually honest reason to include that statement in the article.

[in_cog_ni_to]

13. The point of that line

may have something to do with this book

http://www.enotalone.com/books/158275036X.html

"The Mormon Conspiracy" I have never heard of this book or read it. I came across it when looking for more info on KKKRove and his Nazi connections.

This is from a review of the book by someone who actually read it.

<snip>
Connect the dots
For the naysayers who criticize the book they are most likely Mormons and as their history shows, they will fight vehemently against any negative press of the religion. Those who are not Mormon and criticize the book have no basis for their critique as in all liklihood, they don't know the full doctrine or true history of the church. The Mormons have spent massive amounts of money in the last 25 years to purchase a mainstream religious image. They have also stayed busy revising their history lest the average American actually know the real truth behind all those wonderful temples and really nice people of which the majority are nice. They really believe they are the chosen people of God to bring in the Second Coming.

So how do I know anything about the Mormons? I am a fifth generation Mormon descended from one of Brigham Young's wives and trust me their goal is a one world government with the Mormon Prophet and Apostles at the helm. I know because that is what was taught to me starting at age three, the general age your Mormon indoctination begins. With Mormons you get only one view of church history, that the Mormons were innocent and persecuted mercilessly in Missouri, Ohio, and Illinois. They leave out the part where Joseph Smith had an organized, armed militia that harassed perceived enemies with violence.

Dr. Wood presents a view of the Mormon Church doctrines and history that is accurate despite what even many Mormons themselves believe, as "The Authorities" make sure that only upper echelon men in the "Priesthood" truly know what the short and long term plans of this church are. For more information read "One Nation Under Gods" and you will find the Dr. Woods' book is not so far fetched. In fact you may even come to believe that the Mormon church is closer to it's radical goal of a Mormon global theocracy than you think. Just think a Mormon in the Whitehouse could it be? The answer is yes his name is Karl Rove.

[Radical Activist]

16. So yes, it is about prejudice and fear

I wonder exactly how people would react if you replaced Mormon with Jew in that paragraph and started talking about the worldwide Jewish conspiracy to rule the world.

There is a small industry of anti-Mormon hate literature. It looks like the article and book you're quoting play into the common misconceptions and prejudices against Mormons. I guess it wasn't enough to call Rove a Nazi. We have to call him an evil Mormon too. The truth is that Karl Rove is not Mormon. So the sentence in bold is a flat out lie. Why should I believe anything in that paragraph or book with such a blatant lie?

I was raised Mormon but haven't been a practicing member for a few years. I have plenty of bad things to say about the LDS church, but I also know hate literature when I see it.

[in_cog_ni_to]

18. Geezusf****ingKrist.......chill out, dude.

I wonder exactly how people would react if you replaced Mormon with Jew in that paragraph and started talking about the worldwide Jewish conspiracy to rule the world.

You're kidding. I guess there isn't ANY anti-Jewish/anti-semetic hate literature? Damn. Endless threads on DU about how bad the Jews are. Oh, that's right...just the Israeli Jews. They cheered, took pictures and were happy the Towers went down. Remember? Have you been in the Israeli/Palestinian forum lately? Yeah, the Jews haven't had enough garbage thrown at them....go ahead and throw some more. Why not. Why did you choose to use Jews in your example and not Catholics, or Protestant, or Muslims, Or Hindu????? Why Jews? It couldn't be that they are the most hated people on the face on this earth? Could it?

My husband and son are Jewish. I know a little about religous hatred. OK? My son lives it every day at school. It's nothing new.

I didn't read ANYTHING about the Mormons in my research. There was ONE little mention of it in that original post. "associated with" that's HARDLY hate literature. The book may be...I have NO Clue. I was ASSUMING that THAT book was where Al Martin got his info on Karl Rove. That's all. I'll take your word on it that it's hate literature. I certainly didn't post that to be hateful toward the Mormon Church. I know NOTHING about the church and couldn't care less about it. Oh, wait. I DO know the Osmond Family are Mormons. OK? That's it.

To your other post..."associated with" could have meant that he knew people within the church. Al Martin did not say he was a Mormon. YOU did. I guess you missed my post about Al Martin withdrawing that statement from his web site?

[medeak]

19. simmer down y'all

rove graduated from U of U...in southern Utah...not a real mormon school...sort of college for semi and not mormon types.

His brother and family still are in Reno NV

[in_cog_ni_to]

14. I tried to edit my thread title, but

time has expired. The Al Martin claim has been withdrawn by him. I just read another article which states ...

<snip>
Widespread allegations linking Karl Rove to family ties of explicit Nazi origin have been withdrawn by Al Marten, who originally publicized them through his web site. But Rove is quoted in Bob Woodward's best-selling BUSH AT WAR as comparing the reaction of a New York Yankee crowd to an appearance by Bush as being "like a nazi rally." <snip>


http://www.rense.com/general43/byrd.htm

So sorry KKKRove. :eyes:

Nevermind....let the thread DIE. ;)

[midwayer]

15. Here something else you might be interested in

Which adds to the concern ..you can add Carl Rove into this mix

http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheDespoilingOfAmerica.htm

The Despoiling of America


How George W. Bush became the head of the new American Dominionist Church/State

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The father of neo-conservatism had many “spiritual” children at the University of Chicago, among them: Paul Wolfowitz and Abram Shulsky, who received their doctorates under Strauss in 1972. Harry V. Jaffa was a student of Strauss and has an important connection to Dominionists like Pat Robertson as we shall see below. However, Strauss’s family of influence extended beyond his students to include faculty members in universities, and the people his students taught. Those prominent neo-conservatives who are most notable are: Justice Clarence Thomas, Robert Bork, Irving Kristol and his son William Kristol, Alan Keyes, William J. Bennett, J. Danforth Quayle, Allan Bloom, John Podhoertz, John T. Agresto, John Ashcroft, Newt Gingrich, Gary Bauer, Michael Ledeen and scores of others, many of whom hold important positions in George W. Bush’s White House and Defense Department.

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How comforting the Calvinistic idea of a “justified sinner” is when one is utilizing Machiavellian techniques to gain political control of a state. It’s more than comforting; it is a required doctrine for “Christians” who believe they must use evil to bring about good. It justifies lying, murder, fraud and all other criminal acts without the fuss of having to deal with guilt feelings or to feel remorse for the lives lost through executions, military actions, or assassinations.

[in_cog_ni_to]

20. <sigh> I just spent 2 hours reading this.

We HAVE to win this election. There's no maybe in this fight. My G-D is that frightening. They have already implemented some of their agenda. Pat Robertson is more dangerous than I EVER imagined and the religious right is poised and ready, aren't they? They want to kill women who have abortions, homosexuals, effeminates and anyone who doesn't follow THEIR religious philosophy. G-d help us.

The poor be damned...the rich shall rule.

[Jane Austin]

24. If they want to kill effiminates . . .

where does that leave Ralph Reed, Lindsay Graham, Rick Santorum, Mitch McConnell, Bill Frist, Karl Rove and countless other not-so-hunky Republicans?

[Tight_rope]

21. I'm not surprised!

[JohnKleeb]

22. christ all mighty

Amazing, I didnt know that, I thought Rove was part German honestly.

[in_cog_ni_to]

23. Looks like this has been debunked already.

here's a link to a thread.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1027530