Hurricane Charley will be REALLY bad for Bush!

[CaTeacher]

Hurricanes are always bad news--and Andrew showed how truly ineffective Daddy Bush was at helping people recover from an emergency!

But--we have to remember that in the afterath of Andrew--Floridians may have had an incompetent President--but they had one of the greatest governors in history--the incomparable Lawton Chiles (Clinton described him as "one of the most respected public officials in the later half of the 20th century"). Chiles kept things in Florida together and he made sure that everything was taken care of.

Now--the poor Floridians have a Bush in the governor's office and the president's office as well. They are in DEEP trouble. The good thing is that the incompetence of the Bush boys will make Florida go to Kerry by a HUGE margin--and not only this country, but the whole world is watching this clean up! This is going to be a fantastic opportunity for us! (This should also destroy any dreams Jeb has of trying to steal the presidency!)

Remember how Daddy Bush kept screwing up in the aftermath of Andrew? He had trouble getting the funds in place for the victims--etc etc? Well--I doubt * can do as well as his father. And this time the Floridians don't have a great Democratic governor to smooth things over!!!

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[CaTeacher]

2. no--the damage is already done--I am saying

that the rebuilding is not going to go smoothly---you know that $$$ will be siphoned off every which way--and people are going to miss their good democratic leaders.

I am very sad for people who have been physically hurt--but I am not talking about that, I am talking abut clean-up--doing it effectively--and using the $$$ well. Democrats do this very well--the Bush brothers will not.

[Hampsterfoot]

3. oh...

I misunderstood your post and got a vibe that we are so lucky to be able to exploit the misery of the folks that just had all their physical possessions blown away. While I am a realist and know that 'bad times' are great opportunites.... I bet that few people in Florida are worried about politics at the exact moment and they are more concentrated on whether their fellow citizens are still alive and how they will replace their belongings. I sincerely doubt many Floridians are concerning themselves with Democrat v. Republican, or will for a good while.

[CaTeacher]

4. at the moment--yes--I agree.

And I personally want these people to get everything that they need--I don't want anyone to suffer. And I think that right now, the organizations like Red Cross will do a great job in the immediate aftermath.

However--in the longer term--I believe that as the months pass--I feel very confident that the promised $$ will go to * cronies--things that were promised will not materialize--etc etc. And the Bush boys will BOTH look bad in the eyes of the world.

I am thinking of this hurting * in October (really great for us) as they see him screwing up on rebuilding. This is something long-term.

[Hampsterfoot]

5. Gotcha...

It's this simple; if a Bush touches it, you can rest assured it will get screwed up. I think we're saying the same thing here :-)

[mom cat]

8. Hi there and welcome to DU. I love your name and think of Kerry saving

the little fur ball. I don't think that many here would want to milk the tragedy in Florida, but are afraid that the Bush boys (who do not have any such scruples) are going to milk it for all that it is worth. It seemed to me as if the original post was speaking to that fear by pointing out the obvious: that the Repugs will screw up the relief efforts. They are utterly incapable of relating to real people with real pain and loss.The many screw ups after the 9-11 disaster are proof of that. What * was able to do then was channel the nation's anger (though in the wrong direction) This is different. He can't stand on the wreckage of a demolished trailer and curse the wind.

[CaTeacher]

10. yes! exactly--

I don't always explain things as clearly as I should--thanks for saying it so well!

[Hampsterfoot]

11. thanks :-)

[goclark]

17. All politics is local

and I beg to differ.

If the National Guard do not get there in large numbers, that is politics. People will blame Bush.

If the loans don't come through, they will blame the Chimp.

If the garbage isn't picked up, they will blame the Mayor and Jeb.

[Torgo4]

6. Bad News...Bad News!

FL National Guard is going to Iraq so tuff titty Jebby!
W's big deficits mean big government can't bail you out!
So, Floridians, pull yourselves up by your bootstraps like the Bushies and do it yourselves! Personal responsibility and all that!

[opihimoimoi]

7. Bush needs 3 days to prepare what the hell he gonna say. He has

to think of how to answer about no significant NG forces available to help out. Most likely he gatta bring in some forces from Ft Campbell, or elsewhere.

He has boxed himself and needs time to solve for the answers.

[Dob Bole]

9. Kerry's already going to win Florida. Cut the rejoicing...

Hurricane Charley isn't good for anyone. Several people are dead, and I think someone that I know might be trapped in that mess.

Nobody is going to realistically blame the Bushes for a hurricane. And the response to it is going to be much quicker than it would have been if Bush weren't running for President. For that I'm grateful, at least.

[CaTeacher]

12. Was the response quick when

Daddy Bush was running for office? Or was it all screwed up? I seem to recall things being messed up at the federal level--but that they were OK at the local level. Now you have Bush brothers at both the federal and local level---BEWARE.

And no one is rejoicing over anyone's misfortune's.

This is meant to be speculation on how well the $$$ will be appropriated over the next few months etc. And how that will impact the elections.

[K-W]

13. It is a huge event in the lives of Floridians,

of course it can and very well might effect votes. No one is suggesting it is a good thing, but to pretend it cant or wont have political ramifications is silly.

No one is suggesting Bush will be blamed for the Hurricane, but the actions of jeb and George before and after certainly can be evaluated and will be. It wouldnt be the first time a disaster has hurt a politician and it wont be the last.

[CaTeacher]

14. exactly right!

Like I pointed out--I believe that Daddy Bush screwed up in the aftermath of Andrew--and many people do believe it hurt him.

History has repeated itself so much with this father and son--they both presided over wars that started out popular and became unpopular, they both presided over faltering economies, and they both will lose Florida--partly because of a hurricaine.

I feel for all the people hurt by the wars, the economics, and the natural disasters---but the point of this thread was really meant to speculate on how * will likely follow in his father's footsteps and screw up the clean-up.

[retread]

15. No one is blaming them for the hurricane. If you think they

will do an efficient, fast job of getting aid to where it is needed, that is fine. Others happen to think their cronies and the outsourcing greedheads will get richer from people's misfortunes. That has been the Bushies' modus operandi hasn't it?
Other than stealing the last election I can't think of anything they have touched that they didn't screw up!

[BeFree]

16. Another Bush

Another Florida Hurricane.

What is it about these guys? Every time we had a Repub president something terrible happens in Florida.

Reagan --- Challenger disaster
Bush 1 --- Hurricane Andrew
And now this.....

Makes ya wonder, eh?

[DaveSZ]

18. Is the Florida N. Guard really in Iraq and they couldn't help the victims?

?

That's truly tragic if true.

[BeFree]

20. I'd bet it is true...

You'd think after the lessons learned in the last Bush mis-administration, that getting soldiers into a disaster zone ASAP would be the first thing they'd do.

Nat. Guard have water tankers, vehicles that overcome most obstacles, food wagons, etc. They should have been there that night. But they probably are, for the most part, in Iraq.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

19. Have they blamed it on Clinton yet?

You know they're working on that.

[nonkultur]

21. We can not let then stop the elections

(JEB) Bush said he has directed Secretary of State Glenda Hood to determine whether approaching elections could be affected by the storm. He said he was uncertain whether the Aug. 31 primaries could go on as scheduled in some counties.

http://www.sptimes.com/2004/08/15/Weather/Charley_s_aftermath_u.shtml

[goclark]

22. Did you see the footage of Bush in Florida?

There were only three -five people at max in the scene.
He walks up to a fence to shake a person's hand and offers his "sensative" condolences.

There were 2/3 others standing there.
When George shook the first person's hand, the other person did not
come near him.

The other lady actually took her RIGHT hand and put it behind her back!

No love there at all!

[indepat]

23. Like this hurricane was divine providence, like an act of God will

undo/do in the Bushies.