G*D DAMMIT!! ANYONE With A Dem Strategists EAR!!! - PNAC! PNAC! PNAC!

[matcom]

STOP IT!!

WATCHING THIS WHIMP ON TWEETY!!

DAMMIT!!!!

I KNOW we have a Dem Strategist her at DU!!!

WHY

WON'T ANYONE MENTION

PNAC???????

DO IT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mzmolly]

1. I SECOND THAT!!!!!

:toast:

[maxsolomon]

2. too esoteric

remember, we're going for the 'undecided' voters - too complex for them.

try this: 1000 dead for what?

[matcom]

3. 1000 DEAD FOR PNAC!!!!!!!!!!

PNAC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Amaya]

4. Won't fucking happen

[mzmolly]

5. Hey why can't WE EDUCATE and demand THE MEDIA talk ABOUT PNAC?!

The official website is right here!

http://www.newamericancentury.org/

Here are websites that question PNAC

http://home.earthlink.net/~platter/neo-conservatism/pnac.html

http://www.pnac.info/

Also, perhaps MOVEON will be an avenue for information?

[LunaC]

54. Don't wait for the media

If we want the voting public to be educated, we're going to have to do it ourselves.

Here's a tailor-made timeline - designed with Dropaganda in mind - that lays out the PNAC stealth coup of the White House.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2137401

So are you going to join the Cause, or not?

[in_cog_ni_to]

6. I saw Brian Lamb on C-SPAN open this up for

Bill Kristol to poo-poo. He said to Kristol..."We have callers calling here ALL the time talking about PNAC and how evil it is. Could you tell us what PNAC is?" Kristol laughed and poo-pooed the evil of it. He said "ALL it is is a THINK TANK, we have members who write essays and we throw around ideas...ect..." RIGHT, Bill! Like "I" believe ANYTHING that comes out of your damn mouth! :eyes:

Of course, Brian Lamb had NEVER heard of PNAC and knew NOTHING about it. :eyes:

[maxsolomon]

7. and of course there was no one there to counter kristol

a signer of the PNAC declaration!

those essays have killed a 1000 kids.

[in_cog_ni_to]

24. Bingo.

:( Of course there wasn't anyone there to counter him. That's not how Lamb operates.

[snippy]

8. PNAC is information over load for most people.

They just don't have the time to learn about PNAC. A very short, easily understood description is necessary.

[LunaC]

55. Have you tried using this?

It's written so a 12 year old can understand.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2137401

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

9. Dems won't bring up PNAC because Clinton's attempt to garner support

to attack Iraq was based on PNAC info as well...also Bob Kerrey and Stephen Solarz (former NY senator) are with PNAC or affiliated groups..the MAIN thing PNAC accomplishes is a NEED to continue to boost defense funds and there are former Repubs and Dems capitalizing off the defense industry such as Sam Nunn and a group called Bens.org...there's LOADS of money in privatisation...also PNAC is an offshoot of JINSA and the Dems risk creating an air of anti-Semitism to bring it up (not that I believe to do so is anti-semitic but the media will paint it as such) and remember prominent DLC'ers are PNAC such as Will Marshall.

[complain jane]

10. holy shit call me an idiot but

I never heard of PNAC before this and I just read the newamericancentury.org website intro and I got a chill down my spine...

Um, why isn't this bigger news indeed?

What the fuck is this thing?!?!

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

11. Here's the official DU PNAC thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=110&topic_id=80

[volosong]

17. I Had Never Heard of it Either

That makes two of us.

I looked at their blurb. Shriek!

If we focus attention on them, it could be like letting sunlight hit a seed. It might backfire in our faces and the damn thing could start to grow and really gain momentum.

I would leave well enough alone.

[iwantmycountryback]

26. Just read that thing

Never knew anything about PNAC before. What the hell?? And I used to joke about Cheney, Wolfowitz, etc. wanting to rule the world.

[tom_paine]

41. It is the "Mein Kampf" for the Bushevik Totalitarian Darkness coming

Ther gameplan.

It calls for a "new Pearl Harbor" to facilitate changes in Old Amerca to a more, shall we say "Bushist Attitude".

Coincidentally, a mere 9 moths after the Busheviks seized power (would pulling this off on the 68th anniversary of Hitler's Reichstag Fire have been too obvious, I wonder?)...

...WE GOT OUR NEW PEARL HARBOR!

Just a coincidence, I'm sure, cuz PNAC is just a lil' ol' harmless "Think Tank".

[underseasurveyor]

21. E-Gads, it's nice to see someone else actually 'sees' it too.

And here I was beginning to think my :tinfoilhat: was too tight.

[ItsMyParty]

12. Who is this Dem Strategist that I've been hearing over and over

again here??? Everyone is evoking his name, begging him, screaming to him, etc. Just want to know something: how the hell do you know if this person is who he claims he is (someone in the Kerry Campaign---nothing against DU but I doubt they are sitting around reading this website unless they are the maintenance staff with time on their hands!). How do we know that it isn't even someone else who is here in a different form and pulling a hoax on us??? I don't mind at all if there is someone out there who can help. But I absolutely refuse to be ripped off by someone when people are concerned, hurting, and trusting. So can anyone tell me how you know this person has the 'ear' of Kerry??????

[Lex]

14. Will Pitt has vouched for him on the boards about 1000 times.

At Gen. Discussion and at the Campaign Gen. Discussion too.

[Maeve]

15. Start here--and know that DemStrat is verified by Will Pitt

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=612933&mesg_id=612933

Skinner and the other Admins accept this poster as the real deal and their word is enough for me.

[Gold Metal Flake]

16. Throw a couple of bux to DU for the invaluable service they provide...

...and you will then be granted the extremely important tool "search". Seriously, give a little and get so much. You can then search on Dem_strategist's name and see all of his/her posts.

[Name removed]

18. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Flubadubya]

13. Just like OSP...

No one would ever mention the Office of Special Plans when all the talk was about being misled into the damnable Iraqi conflict.

The OSP was exactly where all the mis/dysinformation was being ginned up and cranked out, but NOBODY... and I mean NOBODY would dare breathe its name amongst our TuTu leaders.

I really don't understand the reticence on either PNAC or OSP or any of the other dead give-aways to the ruthless agenda of the NeoCons. :puke:

[complain jane]

22. I'm one of those people mentioned earlier who

doesn't have a lot of time to delve into the site provided at great length, although thanks to those that provided the links.

Is there also a source I can go where I can find a general summary of what these organizations are and what their goals are so I can start from there?

Sorry to be so clueless. But I want to learn and I work three jobs.

[IkeWarnedUs]

32. PNAC summary

This article from the Atlanta Journal Constitution in September 2002 was my introduction to PNAC. It was written just after the Bush administration released its National Security Strategy.

The President's Real Goal in Iraq
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution: 9/29/02 By Jay Bookman

The official story on Iraq has never made sense. The connection that the Bush administration has tried to draw between Iraq and al-Qaida has always seemed contrived and artificial. In fact, it was hard to believe that smart people in the Bush administration would start a major war based on such flimsy evidence.

<snip>

This war, should it come, is intended to mark the official emergence of the United States as a full-fledged global empire, seizing sole responsibility and authority as planetary policeman. It would be the culmination of a plan 10 years or more in the making, carried out by those who believe the United States must seize the opportunity for global domination, even if it means becoming the "American imperialists" that our enemies always claimed we were.

<snip>

Among the architects of this would-be American Empire are a group of brilliant and powerful people who now hold key positions in the Bush administration: They envision the creation and enforcement of what they call a worldwide "Pax Americana," or American peace. But so far, the American people have not appreciated the true extent of that ambition.
Part of it's laid out in the National Security Strategy, a document in which each administration outlines its approach to defending the country. The Bush administration plan, released Sept. 20, (2002) marks a significant departure from previous approaches, a change that it attributes largely to the attacks of Sept. 11.

<snip>

The report's repeated references to terrorism are misleading, however, because the approach of the new National Security Strategy was clearly not inspired by the events of Sept. 11. They can be found in much the same language in a report issued in September 2000 by the Project for the New American Century (PNAC), a group of conservative interventionists outraged by the thought that the United States might be forfeiting its chance at a global empire.

Much more: http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/opinion/0902/29bookman.html



Call your Congressperson

800-839-5276



A copy of the Project for the New American Century's September 2000 report titled "Rebuilding America's Defenses; Strategy, Forces and Resources For a New Century" can be viewed at http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf



A copy of the National Security Strategy of the United States dated September 2002 can be viewed at http://www.whitehouse.gov/nsc/nss.pdf

[berry]

46. an alternate link for the Bookman article

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2319.htm

I know anyone can search for it, but since I went after it I thought I might as well share. The AJ-C link is gone (or so it seems).

This IS a good concise article to maybe pass around. I don't agree with those who think it's too complicated to explain. Articles that talk about American Empire also seem to hit home with people. It's not necessary to know the whole story (in all its detail) to be appalled.

[LunaC]

56. Short, concise, informative, chilling

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2137401

[G_j]

50. agree, the OSP should be included, 'the Lie Factory'

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2004/01/12_405.html

The Lie Factory

Late last year, a special Mother Jones investigation detailed how, only weeks after 9/11, the Bush administration set up a secret Pentagon unit to create the case for invading Iraq. Here is the inside story of how they pushed disinformation and bogus intelligence and led the nation to war.

By Robert Dreyfuss and Jason Vest

January/February 2004 Issue

It's a crisp fall day in western Virginia, a hundred miles from Washington, D.C., and a breeze is rustling the red and gold leaves of the Shenandoah hills. On the weather-beaten wood porch of a ramshackle 90-year-old farmhouse, at the end of a winding dirt-and-gravel road, Lt. Colonel Karen Kwiatkowski is perched on a plastic chair, wearing shorts, a purple sweatshirt, and muddy sneakers. Two scrawny dogs and a lone cat are on the prowl, and the air is filled with swarms of ladybugs.

So far, she says, no investigators have come knocking. Not from the Central Intelligence Agency, which conducted an internal inquiry into intelligence on Iraq, not from the congressional intelligence committees, not from the president's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board. All of those bodies are ostensibly looking into the Bush administration's prewar Iraq intelligence, amid charges that the White House and the Pentagon exaggerated, distorted, or just plain lied about Iraq's links to Al Qaeda terrorists and its possession of nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons. In her hands, Kwiatkowski holds several pieces of the puzzle. Yet she, along with a score of other career officers recently retired or shuffled off to other jobs, has not been approached by anyone.

Kwiatkowski, 43, a now-retired Air Force officer who served in the Pentagon's Near East and South Asia (NESA) unit in the year before the invasion of Iraq, observed how the Pentagon's Iraq war-planning unit manufactured scare stories about Iraq's weapons and ties to terrorists. "It wasn't intelligence‚ -- it was propaganda," she says. "They'd take a little bit of intelligence, cherry-pick it, make it sound much more exciting, usually by taking it out of context, often by juxtaposition of two pieces of information that don't belong together." It was by turning such bogus intelligence into talking points for U.S. officials‚ -- including ominous lines in speeches by President Bush and Vice President Cheney, along with Secretary of State Colin Powell's testimony at the U.N. Security Council last February‚ -- that the administration pushed American public opinion into supporting an unnecessary war.

Until now, the story of how the Bush administration produced its wildly exaggerated estimates of the threat posed by Iraq has never been revealed in full. But, for the first time, a detailed investigation by Mother Jones, based on dozens of interviews‚ -- some on the record, some with officials who insisted on anonymity‚ -- exposes the workings of a secret Pentagon intelligence unit and of the Defense Department's war-planning task force, the Office of Special Plans. It's the story of a close-knit team of ideologues who spent a decade or more hammering out plans for an attack on Iraq and who used the events of September 11, 2001, to set it into motion.

<snip>
-------------------------
http://www.lewrockwell.com/kwiatkowski/kwiatkowski82.html

Kwiatkowski, 43, a now-retired Air Force officer who served in the Pentagon's Near East and South Asia (NESA) unit in the year before the invasion of Iraq, observed how the Pentagon's Iraq war-planning unit manufactured scare stories about Iraq's weapons and ties to terrorists.

(*on edit: it is worth reading the article at the link because it is full of further links)


Bagged and Tagged!

by Karen Kwiatkowski

The Senate has gingerly examined, apparently for the first time, what the CIA told them two years ago. Before this, they didn’t have time to question, to peruse, to use common sense, perhaps even to read what the CIA reports said and not just follow blindly the commands of the majority whip and our wild-eyed President.

Its preliminary report indicates that much of the information was bad, and blames the CIA. The CIA was a victim of groupthink; it "interpret ambiguous elements . . . as conclusive evidence…"; its corporate culture is broken. Ouch!

The CIA wasn’t pressured by anyone, either. It just produced boatloads of bulls%*t all on its own. Wrong, unreasonable, made no sense, by the boatload.

Normal people (this apparently excludes most members of Congress) would wonder why you would believe anything from the CIA or DIA on Iraq anyway, given we had had no real in-country assets or visibility for years. Not even a military attaché, or a tiny hovel of a CIA station in Baghdad or Basra. Last CIA agent we had in Ba-ath country was an illegal member of the Hans Blix team.

..more..

---------------------

[LittleApple81]

19. Today, I think it was on Dobbs they listed a whole bunch of "think tanks"

and PNAC was the first... mentioned who was there: Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Cheney, etc. etc. and said BASICALLY THEIR VISION OF AMERICA IS WHAT HAS BEEN CREATED UNDER BUSH... mentioned it... went to another think tank..... BUT THEY DID SAY IT. How many americans got it? Not many, I guess.

[kodi]

20. i dont have a dem strategist's ear, but i do know who has einstein's brain

.

[PaDem]

23. Just too much for "mainstream America" to digest

Good talking points for the liberal base and the political junkies, but it wouldn't make a bit of difference on November 2nd.

[complain jane]

27. ARE YOU KIDDING ME??!?!

This is unreal! I never heard of this before but I'm reading about it now. Holy SHIT how are these people getting away with this?!

Actually, I know exactly how.

The NeoCons know that a lot of American people are complacent, lazy, and ignorant. They know that the American people see what they want to see and are content having heard what they want to hear.

"blah blah GOD blah blah MOMS DADS blah blah SAFE blah blah LESS TAXES blah blah OWNERSHIP blah blah PROTECT MARRIAGE blah" is usually enough for anybody lackluster enough to still be supporting George Bush to get their fix of warm fuzzies for the night.

So they know, they can pretty much do anything they want, the American people are gullible, they'll placate and pacify and destract until the framework is all in place and suddenly we're in Iraq with 1000 dead and nobody's quite sure why, but they don't want to admit that because then they look stupid and/or unpatriotic so they go along with the whole thing and wave their flags and put Bush stickers on their cars.

And the NeoCons know, too, that they can even have the enormous set of balls necessary to publish a website detailing the entire sordid plot because no one will read it since it's not worded in plain ol' Dubyah-speakin' layman's terms. So if they've explained it all out in a website, surely it can't be anything subversive, no?

Well. There it is. The missing link.

All this time I've been wondering, WHY ARE WE IN IRAQ. We didn't go there for WMD's, and after reading that PNAC site, there isn't one literate person on the planet that knows about that and still believes Bush didn't intentionally mislead the whole fucking country straight into a war. So it's even clearer, there never were WMD's. But I didn't believe we simply went in there to make money either. There had to be more and I just didn't get it. The righties were trying to pass that dry drunk Bush off as this warm-hearted altruistic brave leader liberating an oppressed nation. Well, clearly I wasn't falling for that either. So, WHAT? WHAT WHAT WHAT WHY?

Thank you, DU. Here is the answer. PNAC. Plain as friggen day.

I'm really, really freaked right now.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

35. More...

The PNAC...

http://www.doyouknow.org/features/introtopnac.html


The Offfice of Special Plans....

"The Spies Who Pushed for War", by Julian Borger http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,999737,00.html

"CIA Probe Finds Secret Pentagon Group Manipulated Intelligence on Iraqi Threat", by Jason Leopold
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/leopold11.html

"Selective Intelligence", by Seymour M. Hersh
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?030512fa_fact

"US Report Gives Bush a Breathing Space", by Julian Borger
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1258055,00.html

"Office of Special Plans," Right Web Profiles
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/govt/osp.php



That troop redeployment Bush is calling for? PNAC all the way. They called for the removal of European American forces and the creation of the new "forward bases" in the ME and old Soviet Union.

Which is exactly what we have started to do.

They are very real and they are VERY scary...

[uncle ray]

40. welcome to the club!

the learning of these things is really too much to handle, i've been in a strange funk in the last couple of years, esp. the last one, after learning of PNAC etc. it has turned me into a junkie, waiting for something to happen. there's times i question my sanity, times when i feel like a raving lunatic because all i get is blank stares at the mention of PNAC. it's just another piece in the puzzle that is so big, we can't see the whole picture, only bits at a time and try to put it together from there. i'm still trying to understand it, and figure what my place is to be to do something, or if anything can be done at all.

[Stephanie]

44. Welcome to our world, satellite sister...

We've been yelling about this for two years now. Nice to have you on board. Spread the word.

[Gregorian]

45. Hey, it's good to have you here

I don't claim to be totally aware of what's going on, but thanks to the forums, I saw the PNAC website about two years ago. Now you know why some of us are blown away by this. It's the media. That's the biggie. Yes, I wish I could draw a picture that would show all of this stuff. It would make a picture so clear that one could see exactly what's going on. But with the media preening itself and mouthpiecing for the white house, there is basically nothing the American people will see, that's of any truth. It's layers of things that have happened. Like the Fairness Doctrine that was removed during the Reagan years, that allowed the news to become anything it wanted. No longer held to telling an honest story. Kerry better reinstate that when he gets in office. With real journalism, the people would never ever stand for what has been going on. But one other problem is that the big corporations don't what us to know what they are doing in our name, either. And they own the media. Oops.

[Guaranteed]

25. No, we're not allowed to attack Bush.

And we DEFINITELY can't attack Bush's character.

[Bundbuster]

28. This re-post appeared on ABC's "Nightline" website today

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/nightline/DailyNews/pnac_030310.html
(complete with a video)

From the original March 5th article -

The group, the Project for the New American Century, or PNAC, was founded in 1997. Among its supporters were three Republican former officials who were sitting out the Democratic presidency of Bill Clinton: Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney and Paul Wolfowitz.

In open letters to Clinton and GOP congressional leaders the next year, the group called for "the removal of Saddam Hussein's regime from power" and a shift toward a more assertive U.S. policy in the Middle East, including the use of force if necessary to unseat Saddam.

And in a report just before the 2000 election that would bring Bush to power, the group predicted that the shift would come about slowly, unless there were "some catastrophic and catalyzing event, like a new Pearl Harbor."

(re: 9/11/2001)
The next morning — before it was even clear who was behind the attacks — Rumsfeld insisted at a Cabinet meeting that Saddam's Iraq should be "a principal target of the first round of terrorism," according to Bob Woodward's book Bush At War.

Of the 18 people who signed the letter, 10 are now in the Bush administration. As well as Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz, they include Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage; John Bolton, who is undersecretary of state for disarmament; and Zalmay Khalilzad, the White House liaison to the Iraqi opposition. Other signatories include William Kristol, editor of the conservative Weekly Standard magazine, and Richard Perle, chairman of the advisory Defense Science Board.

[Bundbuster]

29. Pass it on

[Selwynn]

30. PNAC is the SINGLE thing that I've used to win 5 votes.....

Nothing else reached them... talking to them slowly and patiently about the PNAC did it.

[Bundbuster]

31. LINKS to PNAC articles & websites

We all should have been shouting about PNAC for the last 2 1/2 years...I'm getting hoarse - won't you join me?

These Links are from my "bushbusting ammo" Group (along with 900 other Links & 1000 visuals) at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bushbusting_ammo/


http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0122-14.htm

http://oldamericancentury.org/pnac.htm

http://www.redpepper.org.uk/June2003/x-June2003-neocon.html

http://www.cpa.org.au/garchve03/1143power.html

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2003/03/ma_273_01.html

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3544.htm

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO312A.html

http://www.vivelecanada.ca/article.php?story=20031124201226733

http://www.peace.ca/racetargetablebioweapons.htm

http://pnac.info/

http://oldamericancentury.org/donald_rumsfeld.htm

http://oldamericancentury.org/jeb_bush.htm

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0342/schanberg.phphttp://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EC20Ak07.html

http://www.newsinsider.org/commentary/unraveling_washingtons_neocon_maze.html

[complain jane]

33. Would you believe.....

I posted the link to the actual PNAC site "NewAmericanCentury.org" on my favorite rightie message board and asked them what they thought of it.

Guess what.

They had either one or all of the following responses:

1. It doesn't really exist

2. We never heard of it and you're crazy with conspiracy theories

These idiots won't even look at the information, and all I did was ask them their opinion.

[ima_sinnic]

37. keep up the good work!

I can empathize with your feeling of shock; I experienced the same epiphany about a year and a half ago when I read Will Pitt's "Blood Money" ( http://truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=1&num=53 ) This article has had a similar effect on friends and family members: we were all immediately galvanized and felt we HAD TO ACT. Good quick read for fence-sitters.
I also posted info about PNAC on a right-wing (eBay!) message board and had a similar experience to yours--one person even commented that it wasn't legitimate because its extension is ".org" (I admitted it really should be ".gov" since it has been basically making U.S. foreign policy for some time now)--HOWEVER, this same person recently e-mailed me and admitted I had been right all along, that everything I had said back then has turned out to be true and that she is now fighting against Bush!
Keep getting the word out because for every person who poo-poos it (and of course they will because to do otherwise takes guts, which most freepers lack in abundance, guts to face the truth that they've been conned), there are surely an unknown silent number whose eyes are opened and who are taking it to heart.

[anarchy1999]

34. Okay, you are 100% on!

Yep, you are right. Dem Stratgist offered help and I'll be damned the thread is gone. If I remember correctly there were many helpful hints with hints of more to come if we were interested.

What happened, did the thread sink like a rock?

[Jacobin]

36. Olberman has a little piece on it two nights ago

No one else will mention it.

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39. We're going to look like conspiracy theorists.

Why not just hammer home that Bush fucked up? If people argue that Bush is evil, then at least he looks like a smart, effective imperialist that will kill the baddies. If we argue that the Republicans couldn't find bin Laden in Afghanistan, didn't find WMD in Iraq, and can't find a black person in Chicago (ok, I'm getting tangential) it makes them look *much* worse, and sets us up as the preferable alternative.

[shraby]

42. Problem is, it's not a conspiracy theory...

it's all layed right out in black and white on their project for a new america website, all signed sealed and delivered to whomever wants to read it.

[anarchy1999]

43. All of history is a conspiracy. Read up.

Thanks for checking in.

Matcom you are a hero or heroine(sp?). Thanks and you are so right. Open up your windows of your home, roll down the windows of your car, buy bumper stickers, SCREAM PNAC at the top of your lungs.

[anarchy1999]

47. Giving you guys one last kick to the top. See you tomorrow.

Thanks Matcom, you are always an inspiration to us all.

[matcom]

49. i'm no "inspiration"

rather a fucking PISSED OFF LIBERAL WHO HATES THE MEDIA IN THIS COUNTRY and wants the truth to be told!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

but thanks

[donkeyotay]

48. nice people don't talk about pnac

When I first read "Rebuilding America's Defenses," especially when I got to the part about the New Pearl Harbor, I thought surely this was going to bring this administration down. Now, I know that quite a few of you are laughing at my naivety, but if this PNAC ain't a bombshell of a wakeup call, I don't know what is.

So, we have a bunch of people from Iran-Contra, Bush I and the privatized war-biz who get together and engineer, with the help of a completely compromised media, the most preposterous coup ever where some incompetent puppet is put in office under the guise of being compassionate while putting all the PNACers into place. Boom! New Pearl Harbor happens. Yeah! we get to invade Iraq and anyone else we want. MIHOP? Coincidence? Bad star alignment?

Oh yes, throw in the ties to the Likud and you have the stuff that SILENCE is made of! Professionals won't risk their careers by touching that one. And do career folks want to talk about the bigger problem of our own homegrown corruption? The privatization of the war machine, the privatization of our government? No, this stuff is too big to fix - therefore, we have career-sustaining silence.

It's hell to know.

[annabanana]

51. If we win.. and keep on winning for awhile...

The Bush era will be exposed in the history books. There has never been a more important election than this one.

[complain jane]

52. Thread about this on a rightie site

I asked some RWs about PNAC on another board, they shrugged the whole thing off, said it was just a think tank.

Feel free to help me put them in their place.

The thread is here: http://www.chatarea.com/allpolitics.m2489794-1

[Stephanie]

59. you got it

a belated welcome to DU

[KG]

53. wasting your breath. the dem party leadership actually supports imperalism

:eyes:

[LunaC]

57. I bitched about this in earlier threads too

I'm glad you're getting more attention than I did.

As I said earlier in this thread (but it deserves repeating) if you want the voting public to be educated, we're going to have to do it ourselves.

Here's a tailor-made timeline - designed with Dropaganda in mind - that lays out the PNAC stealth coup of the White House.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2137401

Maybe I should start a new thread for it......

[complain jane]

58. Here's another link I found

http://www.e-thepeople.org/article/28571/view

[Stephanie]

60. Was this posted here yet? Will Pitt - The Writing on the Latrine Walls

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/080904A.shtml

The Writing on the Latrine Walls
By William Rivers Pitt
t r u t h o u t | Perspective

Monday 09 August 2004

<snip> The Project for the New American Century, or PNAC for short, is just another right-wing think tank, really. One cannot swing one's dead cat by the tail in Washington D.C. without smacking some prehensile gnome, pained by the sunlight, scuttling back to its right-wing think tank cubicle. These organizations are all over the place. What makes PNAC different from all the others?

The membership roll call, for one thing:

* Dick Cheney, Vice President of the United States, former CEO of Halliburton;
* Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense;
* Paul Wolfowitz, Deputy Secretary of Defense;
* Elliot Abrams, National Security Council;
* John Bolton, Undersecretary for Arms Control and International Security;
* I. Lewis Libby, Cheney's top National Security assistant;

Quite a roster.

These people didn't enjoy those fancy titles in 2000, when the PNAC manifesto 'Rebuilding America's Defenses' (Adobe document) was first published. Before 2000, they were just a bunch of power players who had been shoved out of the government in 1993. In the time that passed between Clinton and those hanging chads, these people got together in PNAC and laid out a blueprint. 'Rebuilding America's Defenses' was the ultimate result, and it is a doozy of a document. 2000 became 2001, and the PNAC boys - Cheney and Rumsfeld specifically - suddenly had the fancy titles and a chance to swing some weight.

'Rebuilding America's Defenses' became the roadmap for foreign policy decisions made in the White House and the Pentagon; PNAC had the Vice President's office in one building, and the Defense Secretary's office in the other. Attacking Iraq was central to that roadmap from the beginning. When former Counterterrorism Czar Richard Clarke accused the Bush administration of focusing on Iraq to the detriment of addressing legitimate threats, he was essentially denouncing them for using the attacks of September 11 as an excuse to execute the PNAC blueprint.

Iraq, you see, has been on the PNAC menu for almost ten years.

The goals codified in 'Rebuilding America's Defenses,' the manifesto, can be boiled down to a few sentences: The invasion and occupation of Iraq, for reasons that had nothing to do with Saddam Hussein. The building of several permanent military bases in Iraq, the purpose of which are to telegraph force throughout the region. The takeover by Western petroleum corporations of Iraq's nationalized oil industry. The ultimate destabilization and overthrow of a variety of regimes in the Middle East, friend and foe alike, by military or economic means, or both.

"Indeed," it is written on page 14 of 'Rebuilding America's Defenses,' "the United States has for decades sought to play a more permanent role in Gulf regional security. While the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate justification, the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein." <much more at link>

[Stephanie]

61. In the list above, Will did not mention JEB Bush

another PNAC signatory.

This global war on terror has been in the works LONG before 9/11. All that was needed was the inciting incident.

It's no secret. Everybody knows. It's been widely reported. Everybody knows all about it.

UNLESS, you work long hours and don't have time to read The Nation and The Washington Monthly and The New York Times Week in Review.

Unless you rely on broadcast media for your news.

In that case, you might not know about PNAC.