Michael Edwards in FLA - Charley death count now much higher tham 400!

[Dems Will Win]

I spoke with 2 soldiers from a National Guard road security patrol yesterday afternoon. They confirmed to me that the body count being at least 400 (as I reported in an earlier update) was much lower than the current count. I was told to look for "ice company delivery trucks" parked near, but not at, the destroyed mobile home parks and badly destroyed housing neighborhoods. "People simply think they're delivering badly needed ice, but they're not moving from their parking places for a reason." There is no doubt the deaths here are far higher than even what we have been able to find out for ourselves in different areas. The major question is this: Why and for what purpose is this not being reported by the government or the mainstream media? Every Floridian and American should be demanding that the truth be told.

http://www.rense.com/general56/spirit.htm

Jeb made a big boo-boo when he did not grab evacuation control on Thursday and evacuate the whole coast as was recommended. If this report is true, and this Michael Edwards guy is one hell of a liar if it is not, his big brother and the media are now helping him cover-up the hundreds of deaths.

[donsu]

1. kick - we need some video - citizen reportage

nt

[LeftHander]

2. any HAM radio operators got any info on this..?

??

I am sure there are some die hard FLoridian HAMs with generators...

[Joanne98]

25. Great fucking idea.......

Are they on the internet?

[vickie]

3. Why are the friends and loved ones not reporting these

people as missing? I cannot believe that 400 Americans are dead, on US soil, and the media is not reporting it.

Vickie Carter
Redondo Beach, CA

[madfloridian]

6. It is confused here. Still no power to many places, phone lines down.

And the saddest part of all is that many of these people have no one to inquire about them.

I feel almost guilty having power, no damage. Yet less than 15 miles to the east of us there is no water, no power, destroyed homes, angry people who are supposed to be helping each other...but they can't help because they do not have anything either.

The death toll is higher, trust me.

[Joanne98]

30. madfloridian GO OVER THERE

Your only 15 miles away. You could at least see if there's any ice trucks. Damn, I wish I was there. I'd be out the door already. You could take some bottles of water and food with you and if you got stopped just say your a Christian trying to help. GO FOR IT.

[madfloridian]

31. How dare you! How do you know what we have done?

How do you know, and how dare you accuse me of inaction? OMG, how dare you!!!!

[Joanne98]

43. I'm not accusing you of inaction

I just excited that your only 15 miles away from what could be a huge story. I'm sorry if you misunderstood.

[madfloridian]

32. Misread the Christian part.

Trust me we have done our share financially and physically.

[tlcandie]

35. Glad to see you reread the post and noted the poster was NOT

attacking you in the least, but asking you if you could do those things as a COVER for taking some pictures of the ice trucks or finding out more info about them!

:hi:

[madfloridian]

39. The ice trucks we have seen are giving out ice.

Problem is there are not enough of them.

[ChocolateSaltyBalls]

40. Helping people as a 'cover' to see if more people are dead.......

and to 'prove' to the world that Bush is covering for his brother.

Whatever happened to helping people because they need help?

Sickening.

[Joanne98]

44. Thanks..........

I went to the store and didn't know I offended. I'm just excited. i know that sounds sick but I've heard rumors all week. Hell, I have have a mind drive down there from Ohio myself. There's definetly something going on. I can feel it and it means "Bush loses FL".

[unslinkychild1]

70. ice trucks sitting in parking lots

seen it on tv this morning.

[jarab]

8. With any due respect to all the parties....

this entire "story" without foundation or documentation is exactly what we're criticizing Malkin for in her "self-inflicted" accusations. This story is a crock of shit, too, imho.
...O...

[Ripley]

15. Have to agree.

Especially when the writer doesn't even try to be sincere in his "journalism." He writes diatribes against Tom Ridge and Bushes, yet can't even confirm by name or unit that he really spoke to the National Guard or EMT's. Which unit? What county? Did you ask for their names? Why not take some pictures?

Who's driving the ice trucks?
Someone would sure as hell smell "well over" 400 dead bodies in 100 heat for a week. And if they've been on ice for a week, why are they just parking the trucks there? Gee, are they waiting for their super duper transporter to fire up that will allow them to bypass the roads to the morgues and go straight to Area 51 where everything else is buried?

It is wrong for people to compare Florida to Iraq. Florida is not a warzone halfway around the world where the military controls the zone and doesn't allow reporters in and people are blowing shit up. From what I hear from locals, helicopters and reporters are in the area. Are they all in on this big conspiracy too?

Until I see one, just one other "eyewitness" of this high death toll..it stands as sheer sensationalism.

[Dems Will Win]

45. The ice trucks are still there because they are still loadng the

bodies in. It will take weeks to find them all because of the wreckage.

BTW, the death toll has risen 5 in one week. Not possible...

[DenverDem]

10. Could you believe that a presidential election was stolen and the media

didn't report it?

Could you believe a war was begun based on cynical lies and the media didn't report it?

Could you believe that a president authorized torture against civillians and the media didn't report it?

Could you believe that cronies of an administration stole billions of dollars from the country and the media didn't report it?

Et al ad nauseum.

[Eloriel]

76. Yeah, it's not as if we have any investigative journalists around

or anything. So where does the body count COME from? From the authorities. Why are the authorities lying? Because they're told to, because their JOB is (first and foremost) to make nice for the Governor. And the Governor's brother won't do very well in FL if there's a high body count thanks to Jeb's inaction or inept evacuation orders.

[Dems Will Win]

11. I don't think Edwards is lying, do you?

But we know Bush is the biggest liar on the planet right now--along with the media, so who do you trust.

It is Rense, but when the rest of the media leaves out one important story after another as we have seen over the last 3 years, we must at least scan the Rense site, DEBKA, From The Wilderness, and Al Martin just as a check because those sites, while not always accurate, or in the case of Rense not always rational, have in the last 3 years been an invaluable source of stories that later do come true.

[jus_the_facts]

4. but...but....it's an election year.......

....and the *ushes don't admit their mistakes anyway. :puke:

[beyurslf]

5. Not even going into the "how" this would be done...

let's ask "why?" The idea that Jeb Bush is trying to save face doesn't fly. They talked about this hurricane for WEEKS before it made landfall. People had plenty of time to prepare for it. It is not the GOv's fault if they didn't.

[DenverDem]

12. How does the idea that jebbie needs to save face not fly?

If they had so much warning why was no evacuation order given?

How do elderly people in mobile homes who have no relatives prepare for 100+ mile an hour winds and 15 foot storm surges?

Why do you blame the victims and exonerate the state officials with responsibility for public safety?

[Ripley]

18. I don't blame the victims...

How do you know none of them has relatives? All 400 don't have children, siblings? I find that hard to believe.

I don't have the exact facts on what Jeb did and did not evacuate, but it is true that anyone living in Florida should be well aware of hurricane's unpredictable behavior and the Weather Channel and the local news I know were not only warning Tampa.

Geeze folks, there are so many REAL issues to get worked up over...why the conspiracy stuff for this? If the bodies are there...it will come out soon enough. Mortuary attendents, EMT's, drivers, neighbors...there are an awful lot of people you are expecting Jebbie to control.

[Joanne98]

28. One of the main reasons I believe this story is.......

Jeb was worried about Tampa and when the hurricane turned a hard right suddenly and he didn't react fast enough. The people in the path didn't have time to evacute. It's just like Jeb to worry about the millionares in Tampa and to Hell with the poorer areas. This is a major fuckup made even worse by the coverup. If the ice trucks are refrigerated they won't stink. I think they're waiting to add them to the "other deaths" lists. It's the only way to cover the numbers. it's makes perfect sense. You just heard Madfloridian say the death toll is higher than rense says. She's 15 miles away.

[Eloriel]

77. That's bull.

The mandatory evacuation orders were for a very narrow area of the coast. They should've been over a much wider area. When people are merely "encouraged" to evacuate -- and IMO there wasn't all that much encouragement -- they'd often rather be in their own homes. Many of these retirees probably aren't even from FL, and probably didn't really understand the potential devastation.

It's true that the hurricane strengthened suddenly, but that was predicted by the weather service, and the weather service also targeted a much larger portion of the west coast for potential landfall. Jeb tried to do the evaucations on the cheap, and he got bit in the butt with a lot of people dead as a result. It is a disgrace.

Some people like to point out that it's not the government's job to take care of everyone. That may be true, but it IS the government's job to properly warn people, give them the information they need to make the right decisions, and THIS government (Jeb's FL) did NOT do that.

[Joanne98]

7. OH MY GOD

Thankyou for keeping on this. There's another DUer who is but I can't remember his name right now. I'll tell you what I heard myself last Saturday. On Faux News (yes I watch it sometimes) they called a hospital live and the women said they had over 100 DOA's. Faux reported that for a few hours then stopped. this is HUGE. Do you believe our luck. How could Jeb be so stupid as to hide hurricane deaths? This will RUIN him. Absolutely destroy him. we need more proof. How can we do this? Comeon people help with some ideas here? What's the name of the "Ice Trucks" company? Who's paying for the ice? I heard the Red Cross. Can somebody post a map of ground zero so we can figure out what hospitals the bodies went to? If we get their numbers we can call them ourselves and ask people at the desks? There was another Duer who said his friend in FL said there were bodies floating in the water. I can't remember his name either.

[tlcandie]

34. My question was going to be the hospitals and nursing homes, etc.

that were NOT evacuated! That should have been mandatory, no? I think that is where you will see the majority of deaths coming from as they were all inside without electricty and water?!?! trying to keep doors and windows shut or holed up?!?! I'm sorry, but I find that totally surreal!

IMO, all hospitals, nursing homes should have had preparations to where they could evacuate all residents one day in advance of the storm nearing their coast lines irregardless of its EXPECTED/PREDICTED path.

As to the ice trucks. Interesting that someone asked in an earlier forum why on God's earth were they coming all the way from Michigan or some place such as this to deliver ice?!!? Makes you wonder.

[LifeDuringWartime]

52. it seems to make sense that

in areas with such extreme weather, hospitals and other important infrastructure would have powerful generators.

maybe they should start building them underground?

[Orangepeel]

9. well, if rense says it...

it must be true :eyes:

I live in Central Florida and know that there was a lot of destruction caused by this storm, so I'm not trying to minimize the impact of it. But, this story is ridiculous. It's almost ridiculous even for rense, which is the Weekly World News of the Internet.

[papau]

13. I agree - this is a silly story - folks die all the time - so 400 bodies

is not a big deal.

Charley did not kill them -

If one wants to assign a cause - the week of Aug 13 to Aug 20 killed them.

If someone has facts as to names with cause of death - and that list shows more than the 23 names that died because of Charley - we know that the media's "to date that died because of Charley of 23" is wrong - and then we have "news"

Otherwise we only have a Fox Cable News/Weekly World News story.

[Junkdrawer]

20. There may be a story, but this one could be a "they imploded the WTC'..

type of story that destroys legitimate questions.

Yesterday, Edwards said he had photos, but wouldn't publish them out of respect for the families.

But I do have questions about the trailer park in Punta Gorda. Multiple mainstream stories of mass casualties, then we hear it was 2 confirmed dead?

[papau]

24. Photo's of bodies prove what? - cause of death is the question - but I

do agree that it seems unlikely that we only had 23 deaths from charley given the condition of the 100 or so trailer parks in the area of the storms path.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

22. Yeah, folks die all the time. They're dying in Iraq, too, but do you....

...trust the numbers the press is reporting about that, too?

[Dems Will Win]

16. At this point, which is more trustworthy?

Rense reporting hundreds of deaths from a local worker or FOX NEWS reporting hundreds of deaths for hours then pulling the story?

I suppose we should not even talk about this story because Rense picked it up from Rumour Mill.

Moderators, please shut this thread down, we might have stumbled onto the truth we were never supposed to find out...

[Tsiyu]

17. You May Be Correct

but this article appears to imply that there is photographic evidence they are choosing not to release at the present time. I'm all for waiting to see if this "proof" is ever produced. I will not assume ANYTHING about this administration, nor will I be tempted to underestimate their evil.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

19. Read the article again, particularly the byline.

[Junkdrawer]

14. Don't know about Rense and 400+, but what happened in Punta Gorda ?.....

The initial reports were ominous..."bodies stacked like cordwood". Even Fox News reported "stacks of bodies"...

PUNTA GORDA, Fla. — The death toll from Hurricane Charley (search) rose early Saturday, when a county official said there had a been "significant loss of life" at a mobile home park and deputies were standing guard over stacks of bodies because the area was inaccessible to ambulances.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,128885,00.html

Soon numbers were coming out. Some reports had numbers like 60 dead:

AT LEAST 200 people were feared dead last night after Hurricane Charley left Florida looking like a war zone with streets "littered with bodies".

Around 60 people were crushed to death at a trailer park after 170mph whirlwinds flattened homes like dominoes.

http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=14532339&method=full&siteid=106694&headline=200-feared-dead-as-all-hell-breaks-loose-name_page.html

Then the story started to change. At first we started to hear that officials were reluctant to release death tolls:

CHARLOTTE COUNTY - Two refrigerated trucks sat in the wind-torn parking lot of the Best Western Water Front Inn off the tranquil waters of Charlotte Harbor, serving as a temporary morgue for the casualties of Hurricane Charley.

Four people may have been killed by the storm in Charlotte County, some reports indicate, and Charley led to at least 16 deaths statewide during its forceful push Friday through Florida.

With ongoing search and rescue efforts stretching into the evening hours Sunday, Charlotte County emergency officials declined to confirm the county's fatalities.

"We've never dealt with a mass casualty event, and we're not yet prepared to (verify) or acknowledge the number of fatalities," said Wayne Sallade, director of Charlotte County's emergency management. "Yes, there are fatalities. Yes, there are people in those refrigerated trucks at the temporary morgue, but we're not prepared to say how many. At this point, I'm not sure that I have the accurate number.

http://www.bradenton.com/mld/bradenton/news/local/9411262.htm

And finally, we have officials retreating to 4 dead county wide, 2 at the trailer park.

PUNTA GORDA -- A day after saying that as many as 12 people had died in Charlotte County from Hurricane Charley, officials lowered the figure to four today.

http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040816/NEWS/40816043/1006/SPORTS

So we had "stacks of bodies" then 60 then 12. Now it's 2 - and the rest (presumably) died of natural causes.

Excuse me, but something stinks here.

:wtf:

[Ripley]

23. Having survived an F4 tornado in my area...

Initial reports of massive natural disasters are almost always high. People report weird shit because there is chaos. Numbers get duplicated. The first reports after the tornado here were estimated at 100's killed, due to the damage to subdivisions. Yet, most survived (maimed and disabled, but alive) and the death toll was 13 in the end. Do I think my local government lied to me? Do I think the local reporters were "in on it" and they hid 87 bodies? No.

I'm not saying Charley didn't kill many more than they now are reporting, just saying initial reports are often wrong.

[Junkdrawer]

26. Well, there's this quote...

"We've never dealt with a mass casualty event, and we're not yet prepared to (verify) or acknowledge the number of fatalities," said Wayne Sallade, director of Charlotte County's emergency management.

And then, a few days later, they say 2 dead. Would you use the phrase "mass casualty event" for 2 - 4 dead????

Look, there's sheriff's deputies, medical examiners, and a leveled trailer park. I agree that if they're hiding something here, there's a great chance they'll get busted - if anyone does even the most cursory investigation.

[Ripley]

27. Yep, that sounds very strange.

As I stated upstream...there are way too many people involved who have either seen the bodies or know of the people killed, for this to be contained.

I think folks give Jebbie and even BushCo waaaay too much credit for being able to control this information. As someone else posted, if he's trying to "contain" this it will backfire on him big time.

I guess I'm hoping for the best and that most of the people survived somehow. The CT frenzy over this seems like another "distraction" to me.

[Joanne98]

46. Bushco has pulled off better schemes than this.

And I tell you what happened last Saturday on FAUX. They called a hospital and the women they talked too said there was between 100 and 150 DOA's That's Dead On Arrivals. Fauz asked her it she was sure, she said yes. That's one of the reason's faux was the only cable channel reporting high fiquers. DOA's are pretty final.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

57. Were you in a storm shelter, or single-family home, or a mobile home?...

How far away were you from the tornado's path? And finally, how old are you?

Just so you know, I live in the Huntsville area of Alabama...we get quite a few tornadoes through here on an annual basis.

[Ripley]

71. Why are you being a smart ass?

What does my age have to do with anything? I've lived here for 10 years and am quite well acquainted with the tornadoes. I was exactly one mile from where the F4 leveled the Winn Dixie store on Highway 69.

If you want to believe all reports within 24 hours of a disaster are accurate, I suggest you read some meteorlogical/journalistic history on that instead of insinuating that I'm a liar or a kid or whatever you are saying.

[TeeYiYi]

62. The night of the hurricane . . .

. . . I was listening to George Noory who had open lines that night and I remember one guy specifically saying there were dead bodies in the intersections. He had personally witnessed many many dead bodies. He figured the death count was already in the hundreds. I think he may have even mentioned the bodies being stacked. There were several people that called in from Florida. They were all in the dark and without power. There were a couple of truck drivers that were headed that way or in the area. They also confirmed the death counts. I think the idea of contacting HAM radio operators and maybe even truck drivers who were in the area wouldn't be a bad idea. I wish I had access to the coasttocoastam.com archives. I'd love to listen to that audio again.

TYY:hi:

[Eloriel]

78. Thank you, junkdrawer

I'm revolted by the people who are shrugging this off as nothing. Simply revolted. It defies common sense, frankly, to have so few official deaths in the wake of the storm's very sudden strengthening and surprise turn that caught an area not expecting either. But for some reason, people LOVE to stand up for TPTB, even when they're known liars and frauds and theives and shitheads.

Go figure.

[Catholic Sensation]

21. if i were a teacher, and someone used rense.com as a source

i'd fail the student.

Rense.com, as I said a couple days ago, is dishonest, Anti-American, Nazi shit.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

58. And if you were one of my students, I'd chew your butt out if you failed..

...to follow up on every available lead, and that includes leads LINKED to Rense.com.

Once again, for the folks that miss small details, Rense didn't write any of these articles...Michael Edwards wrote them. What do you know about Michael Edwards? Rense has also linked Joe Conason...what do you know about him? How about Gene Lyons?

I think you're mistaking Rense.com for Free Republic...now there's a REAL "dishonest, Anti-American, Nazi shit" website, wouldn't you agree?

[DS1]

29. *****RENSE UPDATE THREAD #14******

Is there at least one link backing these claims up yet?

[Dems Will Win]

33. See # 14

Plus this, just a post, although it might just be confirming the humanitarian angle, which even that I have not seen on TV. I guess it makes the double-Bush relief effort look bad:

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=54228

READER'S BROTHER ADDS CONFIRMATION TO LAWGIVERS ARTICLE

Posted By: mailbag <Send E-Mail>
Date: Wednesday, 18 August 2004, 10:56 p.m.

In Response To: CHARLEY UPDATE: YES, THERE REALLY IS AN AMERICAN SPIRIT *PIC* (lawgiver1)

lawgiver,

What an incredible post, thank you so very much. What you've written is so true, my brother lives in Fort Myers and has told me many of the things stated in your article. It is so incredibly uplifting to know that there are true humanitarians still among us. What a well written article, thanks for taking the time to share.

This is new, other than it being in the Sunday Mirror in Australia, and on Fox News for a few hours on Saturday. One of the Charley threads had the list of other links that I can't remember now. Anyone?

When it's in the overseas papers and not here that could be an indicator of more War Censorship, as they do with Iraq stories. Note how the NY Times has respected the wishes of Bush and not DEMANDED to see the rape and sodomy videos from Abu Ghraib, for example--the whole media is letting the whole thing slide, even after all the Senators said they viewed far more horrific acts than the still shots of the prison we have seen! Think about that. This is War Censorship, as occurred in WWII.

[Dems Will Win]

36. Daily Telegraph -- not RENSE

Confirmation From the Daily Telegraph in Australia, says more than 4 killed in Charlotte County:


http://dailytelegraph.news.com.au/story.jsp
?sectionid=1268&storyid=1780686

Rescue teams began clawing through the wreckage of thousands of homes yesterday in the hope of finding survivors after hurricane Charley left a 320km trail of devastation across Florida.

At least 16 people are dead but officials said hundreds of people were still missing. Tens of thousands are homeless.

At the Lazy Lagoon Mobile Park in Punta Gorda - the epicentre of the destruction - bodies littered the streets.

Twenty-five officers were searching for missing people, and a dog trained to find hidden corpses was brought in. Many mobile homes were reduced to piles of matchwood and twisted aluminium.

-snip-

[Dems Will Win]

37. First thread on this

Michael Edward, retired military or police, went with 5 other similar people to count the dead before a total clampdown:

"What an eye awakening day this was. I thought that I had seen it all having been involved from Viet Nam to the beginning of Desert Storm in my military and civilian law enforcement career, but today I learned about a new part of the shame game.

For those who won,t bother to read all this report, let me spell out the body counts that 6 of us (all retired military and/or law enforcement) went out to confirm today in different areas. These are confirmed bodies in the trucks, restaurant refers, or refer vans, and they are NOT 'missing persons' or animals:

Charlotte Harbor areas - 58 dead as of 5pm today; Fort Myers & the barrier islands - 21 deaths as of 3pm today; Punta Gorda - 275+ deaths and escalating each hour; Desoto County - 36 deaths, expected to increase;

These figures came from our own eyes, medical personnel, various county sheriff's deputies, and eye witnesses or residents from the worst devastated areas. CNN and the rest of the world biased and controlled media are fooling none of us who live here. The current CONFIRMED body count in our 3 county area on the west coast of Florida is near 400 as I write this. "

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[madfloridian]

41. Here is the county by county death list....it makes little sense to me.

Polk County is inland from Tampa, and the eye went across the eastern portion with 100 mph gusts, not sustained.

Charlotte County is the one where a category 4 storm came ashore.

http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040818/APA/408181262
State officials Wednesday said 22 people have died in Florida because of Hurricane Charley. Below are listed the counties the victims are from, and the names and causes of death, where available.

CHARLOTTE COUNTY, four deaths:

- Joanne Hawkins, 82, and her husband, Gordon, 83, were killed when their mobile home in Punta Gorda was destroyed.

- Burton MacLeod, 76, bled to death after a piece of glass cut his leg at his Punta Gorda apartment.

- No details were made available on the other death.

DESOTO COUNTY, one death:

- Larry Turner, 53, died of injuries suffered when he and his wife fled their Arcadia home and sought refuge in a storage container that flipped several times in the hurricane. His wife, Kathy Turner, was hospitalized.

HARDEE COUNTY, one death: (Hardee County is utter devastation)

- Hardee County Elections Supervisor Dean Cullins, 60, died of a heart attack early Monday. His pre-existing medical conditions were aggravated by a power outage and his work clearing debris around his home, the medical examiner's office said.

HIGHLANDS COUNTY, one death:

- A 55-year-old man died of heat-related stress on the heart, according to the state Department of Health.

LEE COUNTY, three deaths:

- Danny Williams, 25, died when a banyan tree fell on him Friday outside his North Fort Myers house.

- Howard Jones, 56, was found dead in his Fort Myers home Saturday after he operated his gas-powered generator in an attached shed.

- A 74-year-old man died from heat-related stress on the heart, the health department said.

ORANGE COUNTY, two deaths:

- Camille Celina Vilar, 8, of St. Cloud, died in a storm-related crash Friday night in east Orange. A tractor-trailer lost control in high winds and rolled on top of the car she was in.

- No information was available on the other victim.

OSCEOLA COUNTY, one death:

- One person was killed in a car accident early Monday in Osceola County south of Orlando, according to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement.

POLK COUNTY, six deaths:

- Jerry Padgett Jr., 61, of Lake Wales, died after his Chevrolet truck drove into a washed-out section of a road and flipped over, sending the vehicle about 35 feet down an embankment. The truck was found early Saturday.

- Robert Banks, 50, and his stepson Michael Thompson, 33, died of apparent carbon-monoxide poisoning after using an emergency generator in their Winter Haven home.

- Anthony Turk, 65, died Friday night in Haines City of a heart attack. The medical examiner's office ruled his heart disease was compounded by the stress of the storm.

- Jerry Allen Kane, 61, of Dundee, was found dead in his car Saturday. He had a pre-existing condition that was found to have been aggravated by the storm.

- An 86-year-old man who had evacuated his home fell and died while he was in a motel in Polk County.

SARASOTA COUNTY, one death:

- Karen Ryan, 56, of Nokomis, died Friday after losing control of her car, which skidded off Interstate 75 and hit a tree in Venice.

VOLUSIA COUNTY, two deaths:

- Patrick Haley, 44, of Palm Coast, was killed Saturday when a large section of a tree fell on him while he was helping relatives clean up in the Florida Shores neighborhood of Edgewater.

- An unidentified woman was electrocuted Saturday after stepping on a downed power line.

[Junkdrawer]

42. Now, chart that vs. which party controls each county...

any correlation?

[Joanne98]

47. This is besides the point but........

Jeb "fucking" Bush sure does love regulations when it comes to the little people. grrrrrrrrrrrrrr

State officials, meanwhile, warned of contractor scams. Volusia County deputies arrested Kenneth Parkinson, 46, of Sanford, after a city building inspector discovered him making roof repairs on a Deltona home without the proper contracting license.

Authorities said he was the sixth unlicensed contractor arrested statewide since the storm hit. Each has been charged with contracting without a license during an emergency, a third-degree felony.

Volusia County Sheriff's spokesman Gary Davidson said anyone approached by a contractor offering to make repairs should insist on seeing that person's license. Homeowners are encouraged to verify the authenticity of the license by calling the state Department of Business and Professional Regulation, which issues such licenses.

To verify a contractor's license, call DBPR at xxx-xxx-xxxx.

The state DBPR has dispatched teams in some hurricane-damaged areas to check construction sites and to investigate consumer complaints. Officials warn that anyone who hires an unlicensed contractor won't be able to receive compensation from the Florida Homebuilders Recovery Fund for financial losses.

Kristen Ploska, a DBPR spokeswoman, said area residents should be wary of unlicensed contractors who may overcharge them, not complete repairs or simply collect cash in advance of doing any work or fail to make repairs.

Contracting without a license is normally a first-degree misdemeanor but during a "state of emergency" the act becomes a felony, punishable by up to five years in prison.


There are no bigger criminals than LICENSED contractors. I always use "real" people whenever I can. Jeb is blocking off competition so only the "sharks" can feed. What a racket.

[jackieforthedems]

48. In Another Post On DU Somewhere

It said that Jeb Bush had called some emergency pertaining to the election. Would that have anything to do with the death toll count?

[Joanne98]

51. Nothing

Just probably an excuse to wipe more people off the voter rolls. They NEVER miss an opportunity.

[Padraig18]

49. Meadow muffins!

Rense.com has about as much journalistic inetgrity as the National Enquirer does when it prints 'two-headed alien baby' stories--- maybe less.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

59. And that is still at least a step or two above the so-called....

..."journalistic integrity" of the captive mainstream press, wouldn't you agree?

By the way, if you want to discuss "journalistic integrity", you should at least learn how to spell the phrase correctly.

[TomNickell]

65. That's Weekly World News. Nat Enq is -much- more reliable... n/t

[Joanne98]

50. Here's a list of missing family members

http://www.sun-herald.com/missingpeople.htm

looks well over 100 to me........

[Dems Will Win]

54. 175 on that list alone.

It's now a week later. They would have been able to get to some cell phone somewhere by now....

Most names are Punta Gorda and Port Charlotte.

[madfloridian]

55. I count 169 on first count.

That is quite a few.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

60. "New names will be added during regular business hours each day."

[Tight_rope]

53. Well someone is lying to the public...Last I heard is was 19.

[Dems Will Win]

56. Wait! There couldn't be something shady going on in Florida, could there?

The Bushes are terrified of this. Their daddy lost thanks to Andrew. Doesn't surprise me they would cover this up.

Last thing they need going in to the convention.

[TomNickell]

64. The Bush's are Almighty?

They can cause Police and rescue teams to hide bodies and not inform grieving relatives?

They can cause relatives and friends not to notice they haven't heard from Uncle Charlie since the storm?

This is -such- utter shameless horseshit.

Good bye.

[TheWatcher]

72. Don't you have a 9/11 Message Board to harass or something?

[Junkdrawer]

61. Yeah, and so far, 4 from Charlotte County and 2 from Punta Gorda....

Is it possible that someone just wanted to keep the numbers down while their brother did a "feel good" visit and now finds it hard to "come clean"?

Sometimes you don't plan a massive lie - you just blunder your way into a mess.

[Cookie wookie]

66. I'm wondering if it has to do with not enough National Guard

to call up to go out and help people and also protect property? Would it be fanning the flame to have headlines teling everyone that Floridians die because the Guard was in Iraq, not Florida. Following that thought, I heard on NPR that something like 10,000 (I'm not good at remembering numbers but it was in the 10,000s) National Guard were going to help with Florida. I thought to myself at the time that that seemed like a lot, and also thought, well maybe we aren't as short as I've imagined we must be. I've often wondered if we had any kind of disaster in US if we would have enough NG to help. Anyway, then I read there were something like 1400 Guard helping. Quite a discepancy, but then again, news and reporting in the US is so poor now that the NPR figure could have just been another stupid mistake by a news stylist.

Someone like MadFloridian would be the best source, though. How could you live that close and not know if there were "hidden" numbers of dead?

And maybe those missing just can't get to phones.

Has the corporate media been filming and interviewing lots of people so there is lots of film footage of the damage and the people effected? I've been on almost total abstinence from watching any of the media except for Lou Dobbs, Jon Stewart, and Bill Moyers for many months, so would like to know.

[TomNickell]

63. Do we really need -two- of these horseshit threads? n/t

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

67. Why don't you read the list of 169 missing?

Do we really need your opinion void of any facts? Certainly if those 169 were found then there would be an update, no? I am not saying the reports from Rense are credible but next to the numbers officially reported a week later, Rense looks like they are more accurate than officials...and how DO YOU explain the conflicting reports from Fox and bodies stacked compared with the minimal numbers being reported.

If you have nothing constructive to offer..then there's a little white X next to the thread that you can use...if not, then CREDIBLY rebut this without all the hyperbole.

[Junkdrawer]

73. I have presented a dozen or so links to Mr. Nickell....

He has yet to comment.

[Dems Will Win]

69. Why don't you email Michael Edward, Tom?

Tell him what you think about his reporting of the 400 + deaths and let us know what you said.

Just click on the Send E-Mail link:

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=54222

[TheWatcher]

75. Do we really need your baseless, content free bluster?

If you don't have anything constructive to add, then try finding a 9/11 thread to spread your void of fact or practical usefulness bile to.

Since you seem to swallow every mainstream official accounting of what happens in the World, you really won't find anythig useful for yourself in threads like this.

[Must_B_Free]

68. Here's why there is a discrepancy:

Jeb cleansed the fatality list of felons and people with names that sounded like they might be felons. So while the real count may bu in the hundreds, the "Official" count is only 16.

[Curious Dave]

74. This is just a bushco version of

the old cemetery vote. bushco is worried FL will be close in November. So, they take steps now to hide the deaths of hundreds (if not thousands) of Floridians. And why would they do this? So that votes for shrub can be cast against the names of the unacknowledged dead in November.