Do you ever think that Bush must have cheated on his exams to

[CanIgonow]

even make a passing grade from his high school to college to his business school?I for one cannot imagine how he could have even got through grade school with his vocabulary and comprehension let alone his math skills.

[Uzybone]

1. thats if he actually took his exams.

I see him sleeping of a nasty hangover in the dorms while some smart kid he paid of did all his work.

[Cleita]

3. That's my assessment, or

his teachers gave him a gentleman's "C" under pressure from Administration.

[TahitiNut]

17. It was somewhat common in those days to pay another student ...

... to take tests and write papers. The 'rich' kids (trying to stay out of Vietnam) would pay the 'poor' kids (trying to stay out of Vietnam). The ability to pay tuition/expenses and the ability to do the coursework were often split between students. The instructors turned their backs on it primarily because they were also 'anti-war.'

How do I know? I got my undergraduate B.Sc. in '66 and went on to do post-graduate work in '70 after returning from 'Nam. When the lottery came in and student deferments were only given to the end of the school year, this little "cottage industry" was still pretty firmly in place, particularly in the Ivy League.

College fraternities have always collected quizzes, tests, exams, and term papers for the 'benefit' of their members. These were especially 'helpful' in Business Administration and Liberal Arts (like History) where the subject matter was 'soft'. (As a Math/Physics undergrad, they were pretty useless to me. My instructors seemed to enjoy making new tests and exams.)


Junior Fly-Shit undoubtedly had others do his coursework. It's not as much because he's lacking congenital intelligence. (He's got an intensely sociopathic ability to scheme and confabulate.) It's because he's accustomed to benefiting from the work of others! He's intellectually indolent with the attention span of a gnat. He's "entitled," don'tchaknow?

[DemBones DemBones]

49. You'll probably remember the mini-scandal about

Teddy Kennedy. He had someone take an exam for him, as I recall. Or it might have been write a paper for him.

It all came out maybe twenty years ago and was a news item for a bit. Ted ended up confessing his sin.

[BrotherBuzz]

53. 1953 spanish test.

He was busted and expelled from Harvard for having someone take his spanish test, and told he could apply for readmission in a year if he demonstrated responsible citizenship. He joined the Army as an enlisted man. He screwed up but, unlike Bush*, he did show some responsibility. The real crime was attempting to hide it from the public when he ran for Senate (who made that decision?).

[LisaL]

2. Puzzling, isn't it?

I suspect Daddy somehow interfered.

[procopia]

4. Yes!

He has never accomplished anything on his own. I've often wondered how he managed to get fairly respectable SAT scores.

[DrWeird]

5. On his flight exams in the TANG...

he got exactly the minimum score needed to qualify.

I doubt that's a coincidence.

[ThoughtCriminal]

58. Altered score - TANG test

I'm having trouble finding a link to an image of the document, but it seems that there were at least two alterations:

1) the score was changed to the minimum required
2) the rank of the grading officer was changed (promotion)

hmmmmm...

[Ghetto_Boy]

6. DO NOT ever fall into the group of people who underestimate this man.

Look, he has an MBA from Harvard. His father was a wel known conservative. Don't you think that these profs would LOVE to flunk this guy? He is not as stupid as he speaks. Neocon friends of mine thinks that hs mistatements are a hoot!! Honestly!!!

He is smarter than you think..

[LisaL]

7. Actually,

I think he is more stupid than he speaks.

[Ghetto_Boy]

9. He is intelligent..... evil always is....

[Ghetto_Boy]

10. So your MBA is from???

[Old and In the Way]

13. An MBA, in and of itself, means nothing.

I've met brilliant people with MBA's. I've met totally clueles people who couldn't think their way out of a paper bag who had an MBA. I suspect Bush belongs to the latter category.

[Ghetto_Boy]

15. Every Degree in an of itself means a commitment...and dedication

to see things through. They are a testament to perseverance. I know alot of losers who never went to school who feel different.

[Bunny]

19. So, do you think Poopy's money had ANYthing to do with it? n/t

[Ghetto_Boy]

22. I think the VERY liberal profs at Harvard would love to flunk

the son of a very conservative politician

[TahitiNut]

23. 'Liberal profs at Harvard' were at the COLLEGE, not the Business School!

Let's please try to understand the difference, OK? Let's also try to understand the power of political "persuasion".

[Ghetto_Boy]

24. So as a graduate of Harvard you know the difference?

[TahitiNut]

30. Shit. Shinola. Learn the difference!

Your shoes STINK.

[Carolina]

42. ya gotta recognize

the power of money and position :shrug:

I am a graduate of Harvard approaching my 30th reunion and yes, the good old boy network was alive and well back in those days and is undoubtedly strong today. The alumni-legacy train is unquestionable and we all know, * was surely legacy. Prescott, Poppy and Poop Droppings!

[Ghetto_Boy]

26. And your MBA was from what school?

[Bunny]

25. Didn't he go to Yale?

Where his father, grandfather, and God knows who else went before him? Or are you talking about his MBA? Do you honestly think that any professor at Harvard would go up against the power, money, and influence of his father and grandfather? A Congressman and former Senator?

The admins have the final say-so in grades, so to assume that Shrub actually earned his MBA is a joke. A huge joke. A gentleman's C, as he himself admitted, is hardly a testament to hard work, perseverance, and everything else that is right about this country.

Defend him if you want, it will not get you far here.

[Ghetto_Boy]

29. Yale undergrad, Harvard MBA

[Carolina]

43. yep, sheepskins 'earned'

through legacy connections and power player kinfolk

[SOS]

47. At Yale

he received a gentleman's C.
He applied to the University of Texas for his Masters.
UT rejected him due to his dismal performance at Yale.
His father then got him into Harvard.

[leesa]

41. Too funny! GOP talking points the 'liberal profs a Harvard'

His Dad was far too powerful and rich to flunk this loser out.

[Carolina]

39. tell 'em, bunnyj

anyone who doesn't recognize the power of money and position is deluded. * was born to privilege and everything has been handed to him, including the fucking presidency! He has NEVER seriously worked for anything except saving his sorry ass, and everything he touches turns to shit!

[JuniperLea]

20. how many had a daddy in high places?

irmc

[Old and In the Way]

33. BTW, Dimson says he was a fighter pilot in ANG.

Do you think that makes him a fighter pilot?

The proof that the MBA didn't mean a lot in his case is:
Harken/Arbusto/Spectrum 7

And anyone who can take a $400BB surplus and turn it into a $400BB deficit in 3 years pretty much tells me that whatever he learned in Business School had nothing to do with business.

[Ghetto_Boy]

18. By the way from which school did you receive your MBA?

[Old and In the Way]

31. School of Hard Knocks...you?

[Ghetto_Boy]

37. Michigan

[Carolina]

45. if you earned your MBA,

how can you take the position of defending * with references to his Yale BA and Harvard MBA as evidence of hard work, tenacity and LOL intelligence?! The money and connections of the BFEE are the reason we're stuck with this POS who has actually NEVER EARNED squat. The fucker has failed upward all his life.

[put out]

16. I don't know about that.

Friend of a friend story, so take it for what it's worth.

I live in a Midwest city, close to my mother. She has an acquaintance whom she knows pretty well, and has for several years. This person is an attorney. He was at Yale the same time as *, a couple of years ahead. This guy says * never went to class. Never. When threatened with a failing grade, Poppy was summoned and proceeded to dump a bunch of money on the university. Then the errant professor was summoned, and Howdy-do, * gets a C. Maybe he's stupid, maybe just entitled and lazy.

This attorney had some interesting observations about *'s frat life and social activities, too. According to this guy, * was very well-known on campus, and widely disliked.

But who knows, I wasn't there. I'll bet * wasn't either.

[TahitiNut]

27. Well, he's LAZIER than you apparently think.

He's a spoiled, sociopathic son-of-privilege. He's used to having others do his work for him. I rather doubt he's even made his own bed, done his own laundry, prepared his own food, or wiped his own ass in 50 years. The Crawford pig ranch? It might as well be the Paramount back lot. It's all facade. :shrug:

[leesa]

40. No he's not. He purchased his MBA like many before him

Would YOU want to flunk out someone in charge of the CIA?

[JuniperLea]

8. hehehe!

no doubt in my mind! he is a cheater at heart and i'm sure it began early in life. no doubt it was amplified by his drunkeness.

[no_hypocrisy]

11. I don't think he would've gone through the trouble it takes to prepare to

cheat. And it probably wasn't necessary as he knew that he would always "pass", perhaps not make the Dean's List, but pass and graduate nonetheless.

[Ghetto_Boy]

12. In Graduate programs there is no PASS, your GPA must be 3.00 or more

[no_hypocrisy]

14. The administration has the final decision for your GPA in most cases.

My point: the fix was in and * floated to the top of the milk as usual.

[Ghetto_Boy]

21. You may be right, all I am saying is NEVER underestimate evil

They don't play by the rules

[Carolina]

46. yeah right, that's true for little people like you and me

just as we pay taxes.

There are rules and THERE ARE RULES. One set for us little people and another for the powerful dynastic scions.

[SharonAnn]

66. Most of your grades are "group" or "team" projects at Harvard.

The MBA program, focused on case studies, uses the "team" approach. The students form a "study group" of, I believe, 6-8 people and they work together for the entire two years. They analyze the cases and present their analysis together.

There's room on the team for those who do the heavy academic work and there's room on the team for one who brings the pizza and beer.

This structure is well documented in several books and has been imitated by many other MBA programs.

[DemOperative]

28. It's all about "Legacy"

money affects the scale in a big way. Major curve in that idiot's case. Wouldn't surprise me if he paid for his thesis. 5 figures I bet.

[newyawker99]

62. Hi DemOperative

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Doctor_J]

32. I am at the point of thinking

that the man has never done anything on his own in his entire life. I would bet he hasn't done an honest day;s work at any of his "jobs" (incl the current one), passed a test, read a report, made a recommendation, hired or fired anyone, or manufactured anything.

Let's face it - his term in office has consisted of two activities: going on vacation and campaigning (reading a teleprompter). He never read the 8/6/01 PDB, he still couldn't find Iraq on a map, and he doesn' t have a clue why the economy still blows.

So no, he never passed an exam on his own.

[TahitiNut]

36. Agreed 100%

As a "Harvard MBA" who worked for me once proclaimed: "If I wanted that done, I'd hire some techie to do it."

This was in respeonse to a 'do it yourself' suggestion. The arrogance was astonishing. As a kid who grew up in a blue collar family, it was a peek at a whole 'nother world for me.

[Digit]

44. He can pick his nose, though

[in_cog_ni_to]

34. I doubt he even took the exams.

His dad, being who he was/is, more than likely gave the chimp a free pass in everything he did.

[GingerSnaps]

35. He didn't take them

They were paid for ahead of time and he sat back and collected the grades without any effort.

[Carolina]

38. he didn't have to cheat

he is the benefactor of old fashioned affirmative action, the kind that rich, white, well-connected dumbasses have had since the founding of this country.

He probably didn't have to fill out an application or go through any official channels. Someone just placed a call. In Dan Briody's book Halliburton Agenda, he points out that someone made a call and voila Cheney went to Yale! 'Course his pockets weren't so deep nor his connections so wide THEN. So when he flunked out, he went back to Wyoming.

On a side note, when LBJ passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 followed by the Voting Rights Act of 1965, my parents put matters to the test and enrolled me in the private school that Linda and Luci Johnson (and later the Gore girls) attended. My parents had to complete a bunch of forms and I was given a battery of tests before being admitted. Well, at a parent function, my mother gets to chatting it up with a classmates mother who just happened to be married to an administration official. When my Mom talked about all the procedures and tests, the other mother looked surprised and quizzical and responded: what forms, what tests??!!

An eye-opener. There's a different world for them (the powerful) and us (the regular people).

[ComerPerro]

48. I just figured he never took tests at all

[George W. Dunce]

51. Wasn't he refused entry to Texas Law

Before he was accepted at Harvard Business? I can't see why any one would think his degrees are any more legit then any thing else in his life. The entry to the TANG unit with such a low score comes to mind. He never would have gotten in to either school if it weren't for legacy.

[newyawker99]

63. Hi George W. Dunce!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

50. He didn't have to cheat

because he was a "legacy" admission to Yale and Harvard B-School. All he had to do is mention Poppy and he was in. But even so, I bet he cheated on everything, even his application for a license for his dog. He's the sort of guy who puts slugs in parking meters and crawls under the turnstiles in subways. He cheats like he breathes.

[Lindsey]

52. My understanding is that he tried to get into the University of Tx.

Law School twice and failed. However, some friends from work and I were just having this convesation. What were the scores on his ACT's? I heard that they didn't have SAT's then. He would have had to score at a certain level to get in. How can we find out?

[hedda_foil]

55. Apparently he scored 1200 on his SAT's

which says to me that he had someone else take that test too. There's no way in hell that idiot could have scored that high, particularly on the old version of the SAT's, which were harder. (They changed the version sometime in the 70's.)

[TahitiNut]

57. Well, 1200 isn't really all that high on the SATs. I scored 1390 ...

... and I'm a 'Nut. :silly:


What really frustrated me was getting all 99's on the National Merit Scholarship Test. Just couldn't get a 100! (Damn!) :dunce: :dunce:


(Yeah, I needed to look at my ancient HS transcript today. It's a stone-carving, of course.)

[TrustingDog]

54. harumph. The fool probably can't even pass gas properly. n/t

[TahitiNut]

59. He can when Cheney pulls his hand out.

:silly: (If Cheney also pushes on his gut, of course.)

[seabeyond]

56. yes yes yes i tell boys proud of c's

probably really d's and f's adn got a gimme

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

60. He wouldn't have to cheat...

Other people probably secretly cheated on his behalf, without him even knowing. He probably thinks he earned all his grades in school.

[EST]

61. One would think, given the splendid array of

perspicacity and sheer friggin' ability I've seen on these boards the last couple days, a bit of snooping and looking under rocks might find his grades and test results right back to kindergarten.

[Rockholm]

64. "HIgh School" should be "Prep School"

High School sounds WAY to common. Remember, Bush went to Andover, one of the best private schools in the country. College is also quite generic. Yale and Harvard shoule be emphasized. Not exactly shabby schools.

[woo me with science]

65. I doubt it....There is so much grade inflation

even at the best colleges nowadays that even mediocre students get good grades. I've done TA work at a couple of really good universities, and the writing skills of the English majors even stink a lot of the time. The trick is getting in. Once you're in, the vast majority of students get A's and B's. I'm always amused at students who are so proud of their university GPA's. Frankly, I don't think they usually mean much, at least in most liberal arts classes.