God help me but.......I'm getting scared............. very scared

[Fluffdaddy]

For the first time I'm getting the feeling Bush will win.........God help me. someone please give me some reassurance...............Please :(

[still_one]

1. wait until after the convention

we have the issues on our side:

1. jobs, incentive for companies to keep jobs here instead of tax breaks if they offshore jobs
2. health care
3. prescription drug plan, where safe cheap drugs can be brought over from Canada
4. Unify the country and the world. bush done everything to divide the world and the country
5. stem cell research
6. a woman's right to choose
7. supreme court justices
8. civil rights
9. environment
10 education

and much much more

[Sub Atomic]

But who is going to yell from the bleachers?

I have not heard anything from the dems. Nothing.

Until Kerry comes out swinging, the country will view him as weak an ineffectual.

John Kerry, if you're out there reading this, wake the fuck up!!

If you don't start swinging against the neocon machine, you're going to fucking lose!!!!

[Richardo]

9. He's going to speak Wednesday in Nashville...

[johnnie]

30. Anything that Kerry would say right now

..can easily be answered to at the RNC. Right now they have the national stage. I think John and the dems are smart to lay low at this time.
I know that I was pissed when Gore and the dems kept quiet last election, but I have a feeling it is different this time.
After the RNC things should change. If they don't then I might start wondering what is going on, but until then I will kick back and wait a few weeks.

[greekspeak]

57. The problem is that the press

NPR included, is focusing in on nothing but terrA terra terra. The press is making this a one issue election based on terra. MonkeyHead is the World Savior from Terra. Iraq was invaded because of terra. Its the only issue that the Reich Wing can win on

So why is it all terra all the time? MonkeyHead polls high there and they have to give him all the help they can.

[Richardo]

2. Turn off the TV for a week...

...and turn it back on when the goons leave NYC.

[2Design]

3. hang around du longer...listen.....and stay away from rethug news

We have the best team....these guys are great....bush is evil

[asthmaticeog]

16. Yes.

Stay in OUR echo-chamber - tune out THEIR echo-chamber altogether.

[Hutzpa]

61. How can you be so sure? n/t

[The Traveler]

4. Cowboy up, bud

This ain't over, not by a long shot.

[PatriotGames]

25. We all hope a certain "cowboy" goes down in Nov.

[Nickster]

31. Amen to that brother

Pull that chin-strap a bit tighter, and make sure to hit em low. We can't and won't let these bastards win.

[kstewart33]

5. Calm down

And please. Let's end the desperate postings. It's way too soon to be scared about Bush winning. It's their convention week, for geez sake. Of course, they're pulling all the stops out. Turn off your darn TV until next Monday. There isn't anything we can do about what we're seeing this week on TV so TURN IT OFF. Take a week off from this race, do other things and then get back to business next week WHEN THE REAL CAMPAIGN BEGINS.

[pmbryant]

6. Read this

http://www.emergingdemocraticmajorityweblog.com/donkeyrising/archives/000624.php

An excerpt:

So where does that leave us? In my view, about where we were before the Democratic convention. In fact--in addition to the horse race--if you look at Kerry-Bush comparisons on issues and on personal characteristics, the results of a number of polls seem almost to replicate the results of that particular poll prior to the Democratic convention.

And another critical thing hasn't changed at all--Bush's ratings in all his vulnerable areas (the economy, Iraq, health care, etc.), as well as voters' sense of whether the country is going in the right direction and whether a different direction is needed. These indicators have all continued to be quite negative (in some cases, have actually worsened) over the course of August, including the period allegedly affected by the SBVT controversy.

This is Bush's problem. He's got to run on something and, unfortunately for him, he has precious little to run on other than being the president of 9/11. The SBVT ads and subsequent media feeding frenzy didn't change that equation in the slightest--and it's not an equation that favors Bush's re-election.

[Dhalgren]

7. It depends upon what you mean by "win".

Bush will lose the election, there is very little doubt about that; but will he retain the WH? That's the question. And the answer is, probably, yes. The idea that bush and the republicans will just look at the voting results and say, "Oh well, looks like they beat us. I guess we'll just all go home", is hard to even contemplate. Personally, I can't see Bush giving up the WH. I think he will do anything - anything - to keep power.

[blm]

8. Faint heart never won fair cause.

.

[truthspeaker]

10. oh for pete's sake! Buck up!

You guys are the political equivalent of day traders.

"Polls are up! Kerry's going to win! I'm ecstatic!"

"Omigod! Polls are down! Bush is going to win! It's the end of the world!"

[Vickers]

11. I ain't scared

But I am preparing for the worst.

:P

[DenverDem]

12. Bush will not win.

Whether he gives up power peacefully is another question.

We don't need bullshit whining around here, sincere or contrived.

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[truthspeaker]

28. I had the same reaction to the OP

The OP is just meaningless whimpering. What, Bush is up 1% in some poll with a margin of error of 4%? There's no reason to be afraid all of a sudden.

[DenverDem]

29. What are you doing to GET KERRY ELECTED?

Limp bullshit won't cut it now.

[Gregorian]

13. Make lemonaide

If he gets in, he won't last long.
Now this next part is my 80 year old mother's statement. And she's as level headed as anyone I've ever known. Every time we speak, I repeat how worried I am that the idiot could get in office again. Just think of the Supreme Court appointments, I say. But she keeps repeating that the best thing that could happen is to have him in again. Then the country would finally wake up.

I know, and it must be genetic, just listening to these arrogant assholes, is like hearing fingernails on a chalkboard. But I don't see any other way of finding a positive in this.

If it helps, I don't think the real hard hits have even begun yet. Kerry better not get Gored, or he's in for big trouble. I think we'd literally tear him to pieces.

[TrogL]

45. That's what we said last time

Let him has his four years - he'll fuck up bigtime. Well, he has, but it's looking like four more years anyway unless you can flip at least three states from red to blue.

[MsUSA]

14. I'm not scared, but my flight to Mexico.....

is booked and the ticket has a cancellation date of Nov 3rd. ;-)

[Carni]

15. There are several prayer threads over at freerepublic

You should probably go bump one of them instead of wasting your time trying to create malaise here.

[Selwynn]

17. I've always thought this. Kerry is the underdog.

[Jacobin]

19. It's going the wrong way right now. To deny it is to have

blinders on.

If Kerry wants to win, he's gonna have to take the gloves off. It's just that simple. The momentum is with the fascists right now, who are portraying themselves to the deluded portion of America that they are just regular guys who hate war, love gays, etc etc etc .

Goddess knows there is more than enough ammunition to throw at Bush for all his fuck ups. If Kerry doesn't start and start SOON, then he will lose.

[DenverDem]

22. If WE want to win, WE need to GET OFF OUR ASSES AND WORK.

Step away from the keyboard and DO SOMETHING PRODUCTIVE FOR THE CAMPAIGN!!!!

[Selwynn]

24. What are YOU doing?

[DenverDem]

47. I am working with the federal campaign in Colorado

donating video production services for the Kerry and Salazar campaigns and doing phone bank work in the evenings.

What are YOU doing?

[Jacobin]

41. What makes you think I'm not?

Kerry's campaign needs to get in gear. They are not attacking and there is PLENTY of ammunitition. Playing "nice" with repukes will not work. I've sent money, talked to voters and will drive voters to the polls on election day, taking the day off work.

Yelling at me isn't going to help any, now is it?

:hi:

[Bridget Burke]

20. God helps those who helps themselves.

Turn off the TV & get busy.

[candy331]

26. It is a distinct possibility that that he may well be "diebolded" in as

president but a win I would most definitely say no, and if so the loss of the USA as a world power looms over the horizon.

[peekaloo]

27. There's no fire in their bellies.

Smug bastards, stirring up the ashes of 9/11 and using the dead as props.......get angry damn it!

[tjwash]

36. That's because...

...they sure as hell can't talk about their creation of jobs, the roaring economy, the balanced budget, their outstanding foreign policy, their (ironic to say the least) great success on the war on terror, soldiers not coming home in body bags, etc. etc. etc.

On the bright side, thanks to B*'s flaming incompetence, many more people are actually paying attention to politics than they used to. Maybe your average repub voter may now actually know who their state senators and congressional representatives are now. Nah, that may be asking a little too much there...

[Mara Steele]

32. No way!!

It's not gonna happen!!

They're revealing themselves all the time for the PIGS that they are!!

:hi:

[Fluffdaddy]

33. I guess it's all going come down to the Debates.

Bush and his team wants two debates.............Tops
Kerry wants 3 or more.........As many as they can get

I don't feel any better. All I read was cheer-leading an wishful thinking. only two people posted how Kerry will win.

I'm still scared. Guess I better get a Dog...........A BIG one.

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[Fluffdaddy]

35. Post count means nothing. I bet I been here as long as you.

I read mostly an post little. And yes you are tired and cranky.

But so am I. Just get off of a 14 hour shift. And just Tivo'ed backed last nite GOP BS convention and read the newspapers. And I'm a little down. Sorry to upset you guys. Guess I was just thinking out loud an thought I could get some reassurance for like minds...........Guess not

[Fluffdaddy]

38. Sorry about the typing mistakes. Time for bed I guess

Good nite..........ahhh Day ;)

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60. why all the Deleted messages ?

Did my OP piss so many people off that they could not control themselves ?


btw: I can't help myself I'm a news junkie I will watch the GOP..............But I will do it on MS-NBC that seems to be the most fair minded news channel. Case in point: The GOP has ask no right-wing folk to appear on Hardball anymore. Chris Matthews was taking no prisoners :)

[Fleshdancer]

37. nah. it just feels like it because it's repub week

Bush's numbers are very low right now for an incumbent and the fact of the matter is that Kerry and Bush are in a dead heat...even after some of the nastiest attack ads aired against Kerry for over a month.

[Fluffdaddy]

39. Thanks GloriaSmith

I guess that's what I was looking to hear

[Fleshdancer]

42. There's nothing wrong with having to feel reassured at times

It's an ugly, hard, nasty race and it's taking FOREVER. It's easy to get discouraged. I was feeling the way you're feeling now a few weeks ago so I had to turn off the television for a few days, let the emotion of it all die down, then look at the situation realistically.

If Bush thought he had it in the bag, then I don't think the Swiftboat crap would have ever surfaced. Things like this seem like a Rovian contingency plan for when the Bush campaign starts to drown.

Given the media bias, given the SBV, given the fact that Bush is the incumbent, his numbers are still too low. The debates will work in our favor too. Hang in there.

[CrispyQ]

44. Yep, Gloria's right.

Take a few days off from TV & the internet -- especially this week with the convention. The media whores are out in full force & in a frenzy.

I was feeling just like you last week after an especially downer conversation with my mom. Someone recommended I volunteer at my local dem headquarters. I hemmed & hawed, but finally stopped by & they were THRILLED to have me! I don't have lots of time, but I am getting started this week & will be taking election day off to be available to drive people to the polls, etc. I FEEL MUCH, MUCH BETTER since doing this!!! (And many thanks to whoever recommended this course of action!)

[Zorra]

43. Stop watching TV and get out and work to make sure that Bu$h is not

selected again.

[Generic Other]

46. The headline in my morning paper: GOP welcomes THEIR president

That from a conservative rag like the Tacoma News Tribune!

[MrBenchley]

48. Their bright idea so far was Bandaid Boy mocking woudned soldiers

and now they're having to shut down and explaining they had nothing to do with it, nothing to do with what happened at their own convention....

They're also having to run around today explaining that when pResident Fucknut said "I don't think we can win the war on terror" of course, he didn't mean we can't win the war on terror. I mean, why would you think THAT, just because HE SAID IT?

Their big "stroke of genius" so far have been the slime boatters, and now they're running around explaining they had nothing to do with it, nothing to do with all these folks they've got documented ties to.

Before that, the big "stroke of genius" was dressing Junior Birdman up in a costume and putting him in front of a sign that said Mission Impossible er, Accomplished. Remember how well THAT'S worked out?

[jerryvov]

55. Bandaid Boy...

Yeah, I wrote a letter today to the editor, Boston Globe, on that one. I think it's going to be another stupid move that backfires on them in the end. My brother is 80 years old, a WWII vet who was wounded in France. I talked with him on the phone this morning and he was livid about those assholes walking around with the PH bandaids...love to see how many votes that costs the chimp-in-chief...

[Eurobabe]

49. do freepers regularly come

here and act normal until they get X number of post, and then commit hari-kari/psyops on us?

Either that or maybe it is just the jitters from the first-time political post-primary 'newbies' (of which I am one)

[Stephanie]

53. Yes, they do

Clues are:

"we should be more careful!"

"we are losing!"

and

bad spelling

[NoBorders]

50. get a grip, then volunteer

it helps calm the nerves and makes you feel more in control. Sign up for a phone bank, voter reg, something. Momentum is built by individual acts carried out by growing numbers of people.

[wadestock]

51. The electoral college looks good.......but

This is going to be a nail biter....no 2 ways about it.

Keep in mind the media is generally portraying the whole thing as very close....and they will no doubt keep you on the edge of your seat till the very end. In general, you won't be able to turn to the media for truth in what's really going on. The polls nowadays pretty much suck.

If you're worried recently concerning Swift Boat...I just have to believe in people as not being dumb enough to buy into the crap...and given time people will realize how off the wall the whole thing is.

Here's the worse case scenarios to look for:

1. Rumsfeld disappears in Iraq and suddenly they find WMD. A prediction recently made on the McLaughlin show this past Sunday.

2. A staged terrorist attack of some sorts. I've never gotten over the fact that the anthrax which was spread after 911 was probably a home grown plot. Studies showed it was US grade stuff.

3. The election itself - numerous theories abound about how easy it is for some knucklehead to fiddle with and literally tweak the election results so that Bush wins in key states.

You have all sorts of operatives and sleazy connections and all it takes is one of these screwballs to get propped up to initiate something.

Don't put anything past these people. Consider what's at stake. There is the permanency of the tax breaks together with FUTURE breaks that will make what's happened so far look like a walk in the part....so we're talking about literally trillions of dollars long term which have the potential to be shifted around.

[Stephanie]

52. Just move to Crawford with the Coward in Chief

Fraidy cats belong in Crawford.

[VOX]

54. Once they flush the RNC toilet, there are 2 solid months of campaigning...

to go yet. And there's ample time for Kerry to score some big points.

but if we don't get a fair election, then the problem is much bigger than *, and all hell will break loose. As it should.

[LSK]

56. just ignore this week + F911 ON DVD IN OCTOBER

Go watch sports or movies or take a trip or something. Ignore this week, this is the Repugs peak week. Next week Kerry will resume ads, and the convention bounce will start wearing off. Then in October F911 comes out on DVD.

RELAX.

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[tedoll78]

59. Here's where I see the race going.

First, remember something:
Most modern polling methods only survey those who have voted in past elections; this skews the sample conservatively, which was easily demonstrated in 2000 when Gore was behind in almost all national polls by several points and then went on to win the popular vote.

Right now, I see Kerry winning all of the Gore states. Even Wisconsin, which seems to be tied right now. Undecideds will push the close Gore states over to our side, as will repentant Nader voters and brand new voters.

Next, Kerry will drag New Hampshire back to our side - Kerry has been leading there consistently, and his GOTV troops are scouring the state like crazy. That's 4EVs to our total, bringing us to 264EVs.

Kerry then has to win just 6EVs from any of the following states:
Colorado (9EVs)
Nevada (5EVs)
Arizona (10EVs)
Missouri (11EVs)
Arkansas (6EVs)
Ohio (20EVs)
Tennessee (11EVs)
Virginia (12EVs)
West Virginia (5EVs)
North Carolina (15EVs)
Florida (27EVs)

Notice something? All of these states are states that Bush carried in 2000. Most of them are states that Bush easily carried in 2000, which means that he's lost some serious ground in his base. While in 2000 he was able to take many of these states for granted and target blue states, he'll be wasting precious time this year trying to bring his base back. Senator Kerry, in contrast, has most of his base lined-up. Sure, his leads may be only 5% or so, but they're fairly consistent.

Another point of confidence:
I don't recall who did the poll, but the percentage of Democrats who said that they are "excited" about voting in November this year is twice that of those who answered affirmatively to the same question in 2000. The intensity on our side is truly palpable. Our GOTV operations will add to this intensity; if we manage to maintain this intensity, I don't see it as unrealistic to maintain hope for a victory.

Another point:
Sadly, that 1000th US GI is going to make the news. And the media will have another field day with it. Bush will lose bounce over it.
Then, another media event will come in October: the DVD release of F9/11. Liberals will rent and buy it and show it to their moderate and conservative friends. Even if it makes a 1 or 2% difference, that could be all of the difference in the world. Hell, the movie will at the very least serve to keep-up the high intensity on our side.

It's still a while to go. Not even Labor Day yet. Most people aren't paying attention. Chimp's fundamentals are crapola. And Kerry's a pretty good debater. We're still very much in this race. I know that it's fashionable to bash those express doubts around here, but I'll affirm you: it's fine to be concerned, so long as it doesn't consume your desire to work at ridding the country of that damn Chimp.

[Seeker30]

64. Do you really think it matters?

Bushco will do ANYTHING they can to stay in power. Whether it be another terrorists attack days before the election, a fraudulant voting system, suspending the elections because of a terrorist threat...whatever it takes they will do.

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[Nadienne]

65. I personally don't know anyone who is definitely going to vote for Bush.

I know two who might, just maybe...

I know one serious pro-lifer who hates Bush with a passion.

Many of the republicans I know are disgusted by Bush.

Don't listen to Faux.

Don't pay much attention to the polls. Poll questions can influence poll takers; the results can be spun.

He didn't win in 2000, anyway.

And the only way he can take this election is with more of the same fraud.

[bobbyboucher]

66. I know some, but they are wavering, looking for

an excuse not to.

[sidestreamer]

67. It's convention week. Don't worry about it

If there is any bounce from this, it will go right back down in a matter of a week or two, or as soon as everyone watches that wonderful Zell Miller and his little fight with Matthews.