THEY KNIFED BABIES, THEY RAPED GIRLS

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By Euan Stretch Chief Reporter

THE full horror of the Russian school atrocity began to emerge yesterday as traumatised children told horrific tales of stabbed babies and brutal rapes.

It has also emerged that scores of the 323 who died - including many children - had been shot in the back.

While despairing soldiers and rescue workers moved among the growing pile of body bags, it was revealed that an 18-month-old baby had been repeatedly stabbed by a black-clad terrorist who had run out of ammunition.

THEY KNIFED BABIES, THEY RAPED GIRLS

[jeff30997]

1. Damn those bastards !!!

It's so horrible that i have nightmares about it !

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[Mistress Quickly]

4. That is the kind of crap

that makes people dismiss the Democrats when it comes to 'national security'

Equating Bush with these murdering people is ridiculous. Neither Bush nor our military hold children hostage like this and then shoot them in the backs, nor stab babies, nor rape the girls.

But go ahead, and see where it gets us in November.

These are bad people, no way around it. They may have a good cause (Chechnya) but killing women and children isn't the way to help yourself. And saying they are just like Bush doesn't help ours.

Kerry needs to come out and condemn this, and today. Look up some pictures. Disgusting.

[Ripley]

12. I don't know what the deleted message said, but...

You said neither Bush nor our military hold children hostage...etc.

I beg to differ. Bush is the Commander in Chief, thus is as responsible as any one soldier in Iraq who have held hundreds of children "hostage" by holding them in prisons the Red Cross has confirmed. There also are reports of rape and torture of children in Iraq prisons by Americans. And as far as killing them....well, dropping bombs does leave Bush with cleaner smelling hands than actually holding the knife, but it still resulted in thousands of dead kids in Iraq.

I'm not in anyway defending the horrible acts in Russia. But like the complete dismissal of Chechnyans and Palestinians because they do horrible acts and to call them monsters is ignorant. I think you people should seriously look at the root cause of these people's behavior and try to fix the problem once and for all, instead of repeating the cycle. Putin will probably do a revenge attack in Chechnya right? Then we'll see another attack on Russian civilians. All too familiar and pathetic when Governments of all countries have 50 years of shit in Isreal to study and LEARN. Something different needs to be tried.

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[Ripley]

34. Yes, that's what my post said....NOT.

Can you read?

Oh, I get it tag team freeps. Losers.

[sid dicious]

15. Of course Kerry will condemn it.

This is far worse than something Genjis Kahn would do. This was a delibaret unprovoked attack on youths and other innocent people. John Kerry was a war hero and hates killing in any form. Folks, just give JFK more time and he'll be all over this.

The chimp knows nothing about combat and death. Kerry was there!! He understands the fear and the smell of war. Lance Link is only speaking from what his handlers say before they give him a fucking banana. it's just more feeces thrown by the chimp when he talks about dieing and shit. Don't bash Kerry! We already backed out on Dean...don't get sad on Kerry to!!

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[Ripley]

35. You guys are pathetic.

So obvious and so childish. Do you think your little spams really fool anyone?

[leesa]

22. We have children as prisoners right now and there is video proof

of raping of male and female children by American soldiers. You are in a fantasyland.

[John BigBootay]

51. Wow- Direct me to the link of the video

That's something I want to see.

[Junkdrawer]

3. Now the question is - Who are "They"?....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=2311067&mesg_id=2311067&page=

[delhurgo]

6. Islamists?

Thats what I have read in the paper, and that does make sense. The Chechen war began as an independence movement against Russia, but Islamic fundamentalists have now moved in and are now part of the war as well. The Chechen people are not Islamists, but its sort of the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Really a terrible situation. I'll bet many, if not all, of these terrorists were Islamic.

The Chechen Conflict

[Junkdrawer]

7. who do you think Putin is referring to here?

....
We showed weakness, and the weak are trampled upon. Some want to cut off a juicy morsel from us while others are helping them.

They are helping because they believe that, as one of the world's major nuclear powers, Russia is still posing a threat to someone, and therefore this threat must be removed.

And terrorism is, of course, only a tool for achieving these goals. But as I have already said many times, we have faced crises, mutinies and acts of terror more than once.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3627878.stm

[delhurgo]

9. I think he agrees with my post # 6.

And it sounds like he's joining the U.S. and other countries in recognizing that this is a worldwide problem.

Welcome to the party, pal.

[Junkdrawer]

10. I don't think so...Sounds like a renunciation of the Great Game to me...

:shrug:

[leesa]

26. How would this benefit the Chechens?? This benefits Putin politically

just like 9-11 benefited Bush. Putin is KGB...he knows how to make these things happen and he knows how to finger someone else. He benefited.

An action like this could only hurt the Chechens. Unlikely they would seal their doom this way. Very likely Putin would win support for yet more attacks against them. Who wins?

I'll bet they weren't Muslims at all, or if they were, they were probably an opposing group working for Putin.

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[Ripley]

36. Oh how cute.

He pretends to be Muslim. Gee, is that what you learned in your Christian church...how to mock other religions?

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[Junkdrawer]

31. Actually, I think it's more complicated than that...

If Putin wanted to use this incident to justify a major Chechen crackdown, he would have NEVER given the speech he did.

See:

....
We showed weakness, and the weak are trampled upon. Some want to cut off a juicy morsel from us while others are helping them.

They are helping because they believe that, as one of the world's major nuclear powers, Russia is still posing a threat to someone, and therefore this threat must be removed.

And terrorism is, of course, only a tool for achieving these goals. But as I have already said many times, we have faced crises, mutinies and acts of terror more than once.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3627878.stm

Clearly, Putin is implying that an outside agitator (US???) is trying to separate Chechnya from Russia. He also is saying that he's not going to take that kind of shit anymore.

Why would an outside power want to separate Russia and Chechnya? Because Russia's main method of getting the Caspian Oil out is through Chechnya.

Question is: Are the NeoCons psychopathic enough to aid in the killing of innocent children for the control of oil? Sad to say, evidence appears that they are.

[bossfish]

5. Let the story settle a little..

...atrocity stories are one of the first things you hear after this type of barbarity.

This was a horrible incident, but so far I'm not sure we know who was even behind it, how they got their firepower, etc.

[legin]

21. to ease the wait: a biog of 'so far' suspect one Shamil Basayev

long but very easy to read.

There is a write up of another hostage seige around the middle of the article which is interesting background.

http://www.aeronautics.ru/chechnya/basayev.htm

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[barb162]

8. after you read these stories

I am surprised anyone lived through the explosions, the shooting....

[Placebo]

11. This Will Be The Price Of Bush's "War On Terra"

Russia also tried the whole "we will fight them over there so we do not have to fight them here at home" mantra, and we see how well that has and is working out for them there russians. :eyes:

[Catfight]

13. Violence breeds more violence, it's a never ending cycle. Stay

the course isn't working. We need something to stop these atrocities, we need a united front, not this divided world. What's more horrific than what just happened in Sudan? I guess if your black you don't count, but if your white these things are traumatizing and cause nightmares. I'm still appalled at 300 Sudanese that were slaughtered in the middle of the night with machetes, mostly women and children, yet did I see any outrage over that? Not as much as this, it's ALL equally horrible and I'm sorry, it is BUSH/CHENEY policies for oil that they are liberating, the are not liberating ANYONE else in this world.

We need to put an end to this hatred in the world. Send a loud message in November that America doesn't agree with these policies.

[agincourt]

14. Putin has been tough over there,

and he still has had trouble getting terrorism under control. I think a smarter not harder solution is needed though honestly, I am not sure what to advise.

[magnetism87]

16. Bush responsible for this tragedy

Had Bush not supported Putin and his Nazi regime in their attrocities committed against Chechnya, none of this would've happened.

I hope the media calls Bush on this, and he suffers in the polls.


The Chechen freedom-fighters had no other choice left, given that their homeland was destroyed by the capitalist swine under Putin's fascist regime.


Allahu Akhbar, friends. Light a candle for the innocent children who suffered both in Russia and in Chechnya because of the failed imperialistic policies of Bush and Putin.

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[Ripley]

38. LOL...you are really grasping now!

Ooooh...you're so smart and eloquent you are going to get 100% of DUers to change their Dem vote to a Nader vote. You must be, oh, Junior High?

[Judi Lynn]

20. Glad you mentioned it. Bush supports Islam Karimov

whose government tortures people in earnest, and has BOILED people to death.





http://www.thememoryhole.org/pol/us-and-uz.htm

Here's something you can get REALLY emotional about, while considering the unbelievable pain of being boiled to death. Not for the very, very nervous.

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[Judi Lynn]

25. Why would you imply I am Muslim? You don't know me. n/t

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[Judi Lynn]

30. You're claiming YOU are a Muslim? I see. Thanks. n/t

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[Judi Lynn]

37. You probably recognize a person's perspective shines through

in the choice of words he uses, the unconscious image he projects of himself through his respect for others or his lack thereof.

It would be easy for people to understand your peaceful, respectful world-view simply by whether or not you wrote aggessive posts which have the appearance of breathing down the necks of others, as in hot, heavy handed, and hostile. I can see you are completely as you express yourself. We should be humbled by your visit here.

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[Ripley]

43. Um, Judilyn...

How many Muslims do you think support Nader?

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[Ripley]

49. Realy?

What's his middle east policy then?

[Judi Lynn]

50. Hadn't given it any thought, unfortunately.

I think I assumed it would follow their politics were Nader not in the running, basically. I've heard that in the last election there were a LOT of Muslim votes for _Bush, and that some of those people are not as eager to vote for _Bush this time.

That's the best answer I can give.

[Ripley]

54. Sorry, I should have been more clear.

I was referring to the poster you were talking too. Read his posts upstream. That's what I was referring to about Nader. Frankly, I have never heard of any Muslims for Nader, but when you combine his spamming posts with repeated statements it adds up to you know what.

[Ripley]

40. Last time I bother answering your insults.

So many mocking insults, so little time. Guess I'll just alert.

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[Ripley]

48. Right, barging into a liberal board who supports Kerry and..

saying we should all vote Nader, cause Kerry is just like Bush...

That doesn't sound anything at all like the juvenile Rove tactics. :eyes: Oh, and the Muslim thingy just ain't working.

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[Judi Lynn]

55. It's embarrassing when a stupid person imagines he has outwitted

others, isn't it? Almost makes you cringe.

[Orion82]

28. What the fuck are you talking about

This is nothing like Bush or our Military? Where have you been while our troops have been raping and killing innocent people?

[louis c]

42. Putin is using failed tactics in Chechnya

Chechnya has been under Soviet, and now Russian domination for decades.

Putin has 100,000 heavily armed troops occupying a region the size of Ohio.

Russia has been cited year after year for human rights violations by every international watch group.

Certainly this does not excuse the current terrorist methods by the Chechen's and their allies, but at least it can help us understand it.

Thousands of young men have been hauled away in Chechnya by Russian troops, never to be seen or heard from again. This has spawned a new terrorist threat in Russia from the women who have lost their husbands, companions, or brothers, the Black Widows. In addition, any dissent what so ever is brutally suppressed. The controlled Russian Media gives out little information, and even this small amount is no more than propaganda.

Putin's "Iron Fist" tactics are an abject failure. Unlike Bush, he knows just where his enemy is, and still can't stop them. As the repression gets more and more brutal, the tactics of the Chechen's become more and more desperate.

Putin has pushed the Chechnya separatists, who are predominately Muslim, into the arms of the Muslim extremists. As a result, Russia is further from a solution then ever, and violence will escalate to the point of continued horrific tragedies on both sides.

[Judi Lynn]

45. Thanks for the info. Sorry to admit I hadn't had time to learn this yet

Your quick analysis has saved me a lot of time, and encourages me to get busy and get caught up.

Thanks again.

[anarchy1999]

46. From another site I go to, this was not Putin's action.

The gist of what I read is that one of the "terrorist" accidentally blew herself up, setting off the ensuing chaos. All of them were roped together in some way and once the first one blew they all were blowing and the Russians hand was forced, because kids were running in every direction.

Sounds plausible to me.

[Junkdrawer]

53. See post #31

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=2313637&mesg_id=2313973&page=

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