What should be done about Saudi Arabia?

[bindersen]

The links to terrorism is obvious and there are some horrendous atrocities going on there. When Kerry gets elected should he support any democratic movement in that country to try to get rid of the regime? Obviously it will be business as usual, but what would you like to see done with that terror-state?

[baldguy]

1. Invade them, kill their leaders & convert them to Christianity.

sez Ann Coulter

[necso]

2. American energy independence. n/t

[bindersen]

5. definitely. the way it is now,

S-A can do whatever they want and know that they will get away with it. That can't stand in the future. Something must be done.

[Aidoneus]

3. What should be done about you?

[bindersen]

4. huh? why that tone?

[necso]

10. There is an unfortunate pattern

of new posters trying to do unpleasant things, and perhaps, since you are a new (small number of posts) poster, some care might be advisable.

On the other hand, maybe we should just get the business over with.... if it is going there in the end.

I don't know... yet.

[acmavm]

6. Take away their status as a most favored nation and then let them

deal with their problems on their own. Don't prop up their royal family. Investigate anything deals that may be or might have been illegal. Investigate any and all ties to terrorist organization and then if they're caught at anything as for an embargo against Saudi Arabia.

The House of Saud has not been a friend to America, but it has been very very good to the bush* family. They've gotten a pass for far too long.

And frigging INVEST IN ALTERNATIVE ENERGY SOURCES. That would hurt them the most.

[libhill]

8. INVEST IN ALTERNATIVE ENERGY SOURCES

Amen to that. Then they can take their oil and shove it, it ain't comin' here no moe ---

[bindersen]

12. I agree with most of what you say

but deal with their problems on their own? It is the US that has kept this horror-regime in power over the last decades with huge money, the democratic movements in that country should get great support from the US don't you think? To try to pay back what they owe the Saudi ppl I mean...

[Minstrel Boy]

7. You're playing to the neocons' long game.

Grabbing the Saudi fields is in the cards down the road. Remember the Rand Corp presentation to the Pentagon in the summer of 2002? Saudi Arabia is the "strategic pivot"; Iraq only the "tactical pivot."

When it comes the Saudis turn, we'll be hearing repeatedly how 15 of the 9/11 hijackers carried Saudi passports. Until then, the general public can think they were Iraqi.

Rather than Saudi Arabia, pay attention to Pakistan's state sponsorship of terror. That's a much more closely guarded secret, because it exposes the triangulation of CIA-ISI-al qaeda.

[libhill]

11. I wonder

where these dumb fuks think they are going to find the military muscle for their little Stratego games - Bushco already has the military stretched to the max. I mean, they've already called back some of the inactive reserves, for Christ sake.

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[DulceDecorum]

13. What should be done about the US?

Regime change,
like charity,
should begin at home.

[libhill]

16. We're working on that one -

VOTE!

[depakid]

14. The Saudi's probably don't see the Irony

that in their support of the far right and Bush's, they've sown the seeds of their own destruction. The warlike mentality of the far right along with the prejudice and hatred they've stirred up in America makes Saudi Arabia an almost irresistible target down the road.

Even otherwise reasonable and considered people have little sympathy for the Saudi's and the wahhabism that they spread. In the event of another terrorist attack, I expect that even a Kerry administration would be sorely tempted to strike them back- hard.

[bindersen]

17. A strike on Saudi Arabia would mean the death

of the US as we know it though, don't you think? I mean, that would prove Osama's point of the war against Islam, attacking the holiest land on earth for Muslims, as Iraq wasn't already enough.

[depakid]

20. There's already a religious war going on....

and the US has already become a nation not as we knew it.

That Bush played right into Osama's hands is fait accompli'

[libhill]

18. Don't underestimate

Mr. Kerrys willingness to use military force if required. And don't forget, the man is a real war veteran, not a chicken hawk. I'll trust his judgement.

[POAS]

15. Putin may

send a few bombers over SA. Remember he promised to hit terrorist bases no matter where they are in the world.

Now wouldn't that be a fine mess!

[bindersen]

19. That would never happen I think

Putin is thinking of the soviet interest sphere, more specifically Georgia. Going "abroad" like attacking S-A wouldn't stand.

[libhill]

21. I can already visualize

the U.S. pointing a finger at Putin, yelling foul, shame upon you. Do as we say, not as we do.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

22. Reduce our dependence on petroleum products

This is what our real "war" should be:

1. Invest in mass transit and inter-city rail like a civilized country. Use these systems to replace a significant percentage of auto and plane trips.* All the major countries of East Asia (Japan, China, South Korea, Taiwan, and I think, Malaysia, too) have or are building high-speed rail systems?

2. Impose strict fuel standards on all motor vehicles

3. Encourage the "in-fill" growth rather than sprawl

4. Fund research into non-petroleum alternatives to current fertilizers and plastics and in new ways to recycle plastic products

Actually, if we had been a smart country, we would have done all this beginning in 1980, and the Saudis could just go do anatomically impossible things to themselves.

*Did you know that about 80% of daily commuter trips and 33% of inter-city trips in Japan are by rail? This is in a country with high levels of car ownership.

[many a good man]

23. Self determination

Let them pick their own despotic rulers, not the ones propped up by us. They can have their democratic (Islamic) revolution AS LONG AS THEY 1) keep the oil flowin', baby; and 2) adhere to minimal human rights standards.

After 25 years the Iranian people were finally moving towards moderation and democracy until the infamous Asses of Evil crusade talk. A nation has to make its own path; it can't have an alien form of government imposed. An international effort to provide incentives for good behavior must be undertaken. It requires true international leadership, not bullying, to ameliorate the crises caused by our ruthless puppets or their enemies in failing states all over...